Smoke N Grow nutes versus Jack's Professional

embry928

Active Member
I did not know the name at the time but that is what i did last time. When i took the clones they had little buds on the tips with a couple nodes under. They took like a month to root but really turned into some nice plants. Where the little bud was turned in to 12 branches then into12 nice colas. The plant reminds me of a torch with a one foot handle and a two foot flame. I will post some pics if i get a camera before i harvest them.
taking clones on the 21st day of flower, right at the end of the stretch (I presume) is supposed to cause them to have to re-veg before rooting and causes exsplosive growth (similar to re-veggin) there is a thread on it. it does take em longer to root because of this so the ditty goes
 

riddleme

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Yeah the ISO is good :hump:

I have done the research and refined the technique, currently doing one last experiment so look for what could be my last ditty here at RIU?

Ahhhh the suspence :)
 

riddleme

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Gonna be a few post today :)

I had someone bring me a harvest to run thru the chamber and damn it reaked, within 10 minutes my whole house stunk. Now this is not a bad smell to me, but like others I am not looking to draw unwanted attention to my garden :)

Whenever I am fermentin in the chamber, I put a big pot of water on the stove, slow boiling, to raise the humidity in the house (does not affect the garden) I do this to keep the buds in the chamber from drying too fast, basically making the humidity outside the chamber match what is inside the chamber. I keep it between 50 and 60% :)

Now what about that smell? This is a very easy, very fast solution if you ever need it. I simply put 1/2 teaspoon of Vicks VapoRub in the pot of boiling water, within 10 minutes my whole house now smells like Menthal and not only is that reaking smell gone but my sinuses are clear and I am breathing easier :hump:
 

riddleme

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Well 5 weeks of flower in the bank (for most) The STP has 2 and the Tilders re-veges have 3. The STP has finally shown female, WooHoo!

Not sure I would ever do this again, multiple strains at different stages as it has become a water/feed schedule nightmare LOL seems I'm doing something everyday :)

Clones have 2 weeks in the dome, I have started the pencil thing and this morning they got some time with the dome off, no sign of yellowing at all things going as I expect

As expected the STP has stretched up to equal the GDP & MB, I love how they fight for dominance in the garden :) the defoil resulted in 2 equal dominant colas and 1 less dom, the big fan leaves I removed were replaced by the plant as you can see in the pics :) I liked what it did so much I defoiled the remaing STP's in the veg room, they have now become very bushy little bitches (pic included) I am not raining on these as I want to keep em small till thier turn in the flower room.

Gonna be raining in the flower room today and the SNG plants will get a dose of week 5, I am starting the weekly nutes a week behind on purpose because they did not get week 1 thru 4 as I fed em the 2-1-3 for the first 3 weeks and then switched to the 1-2-3 this is simply me testing all the various SNG products. The Jack's plants will get a dose of 20-10-20, I have had a few friends switch to this 20-10-20 and they too are having great results, one is even using it in hydro just harvested a beer can sized cola, will get a pic of it when it comes out of the chamber. This is not to say that I am not impressed with the SNG because truely I am and I will continue to use it!

Other than that not much going on, I always like the downhill side of the grow, seems to me to be the fun time :)

Enjoy the pics, which includ a few of the seeded buds that are developing very nicely

and the Ultimate High Ditty comming shortly :)
 

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riddleme

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I'm gonna start this off with a note to Lumi, cause he was here for Christmas, as some of you may know,,,,,,

Hey Lumi, remember how baked we were after tasting several buds and farie dust salads? imagine being even more stoned with JUST ONE HIT :hump:

Ok, so if you follow my threads then you know I have a very high tolorence, why I only smoke farie dust (to get high) I do smoke buds to taste test em but they don't get me high unless I smoke a lot (and I mean A LOT)

And as you know I recently started playin with ISO Hash and put my own spin on it by incorporating farie dust with it and earlier named it sweet tar hash, the name fits for me even though it includes the word tar because hey this sh*t looks like the tar we all clean out of our pipes & bongs but is loaded with the sweet goodness we all love from the plant.

Well I loved the taste and high from the first batch so much that I decided to do a bit of research on it and found lots of recipes (just google ISO Hash) with my first batch I left the buds in the ISO for several hours, in my research I discovered that a mere 20 to 30 seconds of vigorous shaking was all that required and this resulted in a better end product. Seems the longer it sits in the ISO the more stuff it pulls out that seems to weaken the final product.

NOTE: that if there is any moisture in the buds/shake/trim that it will pull it out and after the ISO evaporates the water needs to as well (takes a bit longer)

Now let me share that I normally take on average (depends on the salad mix) 10 hits of farie dust to get where I want to be. With the first batch of sweet tar it was very similar, took 10 hits to get there but tasted better, so I was happy. With refined process it came down to just 4 or 5 hits to get there and was simply awesome, I even saw colors and sh*t but here is the kicker I made a small batch (small cause was refinin & experimentin) that yielded a bit under a gram, I rolled up a bowl sized ball of it and smoked on that one ball for 4 days, yes it lasted 4 days and even shared it with a friend and each time I took 4 or 5 hits off it it was just as good as the time before, my friend loved it!

Then I had an idea and I am very sure that I am not the first to try this though I may be the first to mix it with farie dust? what would happen if I did a freshly harvested bud? I just loaded the chamber with some freshly chopped GDP & Mango so I grabbed a bottom branch of GDP had like 7 little popcorn buds on it and I threw it into the ISO jar, because it was wet I shook it for 1 minute and filtered it into the pyrex dish. upon inspection I noticed that it did not dissolve the trichs, they were still very much intact and I thought oh well prolly didn't work but was worth a try. I proceeded to finish it anyway and then put the plant matter back in ISO to soak overnight (roughly 9 hours) it is in process as I write this and I will report on it later but here is what I noticed that just the little mushroom like heads of the trichs dissolved leaving behind the little cloudy white stems, which I though was kinda wierd, but I'm gettin ahead of myself :)

I finished the first batch last night and kneaded in a 3 strain salad of farie dust, it yelded a little over a gram and I sliced a bit and put it in my bowl and then OMG was it STRONG my lips, teeth and gums went numb imediately, my throat tingled, my lungs expanded and brothers I was stoned, that one hit put me way beyond where I normally like to go and it continued creepin within 10 minutes I was couchlocked and kinda just starin at the tv, not a care in the world. But I did one hell of a smile on my face as I realized I had just discovered the holy grail of stoners, THE ULTIMATE HIGH!

I sat there completely stoned for a few hours and then took a second hit, it compounded very quickly and I took my happy ass to bed (while I still could) and was out in less than 20 minutes, and boy did I sleep like a baby waking up absolutely refreshed. Since this is exactly what I want from my medicine I was very happy indeed :hump:

There will be no more trimmin popcorn buds ever again LOL as Riddle has a new way of procurrin his private stash :)

So it really is very simple,
just put some buds in a jar (finished or fresh)
cover them with 91% ISO
vigorously shake for 20 to 30 seconds
pour thru a regular coffee filter into a pyrex (glass) dish or plate
once it stops draining wrap the filter into a ball and squeeze the remaining goodness from it
allow it to evaporate dry, this can be sped up by blowing on it with a small fan (this makes the room smell like ISO)
and just after it has vaped off the liquid (ISO & water) scrape up the tar with a razor blade and dunk it into a pile of farie dust, this allows you to pull it off the blade using your fingers (yes this shit is as nasty as the tar we clean out of our pipes in terms of sticky & messy)
now rollit into a ball, kneading the farie dust into it and dipping it into more farie dust, kneading/rolling till the little ball becomes merely tacky, kinda like scotch tape.
now set aside for 2 or 3 hours allowing to dry
slice off a bit and enjoy!

I encourage to you to experiment with this as I have, hey always lookin for better (though gotta say this was the best high I ever had) I have one more experiment to do as I am no stranger to Organic Chemestry (love those 2 words together in an MJ forum) hell I have even broken the carbonian ion chain (some of you may know what that means LOL ) and if it turns out well I might share ???

And yes this is my last research ditty here, I will remain a visitor and member at RIU as I love all of you and it continues to greatly entertain me but future ditties will be on a new site launching soon. I hope that if any of you decide to try this that you will come back and share your results !!!!!!!
 

riddleme

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Oh yeah, I guess I need to add a warning. This is not for the regular toker, if you remember I had several folks taste my farie dust salads and fall to floor, to the point of making sure they were sitting down before trying it. THIS IS MUCH STRONGER and could even scare a person that does not have a high toloerance, so be careful my friends !!!!!
 

Illumination

New Member
Decarboxylation.....be careful with that my brother...you may create something you may not like....i think protodecarboxylation while more difficult is actually what would produce the purity you seek...or may make it unusable for your purposes as well...I would have to do alot of thinking too see feasibility and dont have time today so...I guess you will figure this one out as well:twisted:

Interesting as I have never thought of doing such with cannabinoids...have done it to san pedro extract to get the pure mesc out of the brew but the losses invloved in process nill'ed it's usefulness so back to drinking the sludge soap...lol

So basically wash the weed for 60 seconds evaporate ...wallah??

And what of these cloudy triches after the quick rinse? You brought that up but never elaborated

Cant wait to try this

Namaste'
 

riddleme

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Decarboxylation.....be careful with that my brother...you may create something you may not like....i think protodecarboxylation while more difficult is actually what would produce the purity you seek...or may make it unusable for your purposes as well...I would have to do alot of thinking too see feasibility and dont have time today so...I guess you will figure this one out as well:twisted:

Interesting as I have never thought of doing such with cannabinoids...have done it to san pedro extract to get the pure mesc out of the brew but the losses invloved in process nill'ed it's usefulness so back to drinking the sludge soap...lol

So basically wash the weed for 60 seconds evaporate ...wallah??

And what of these cloudy triches after the quick rinse? You brought that up but never elaborated

Cant wait to try this

Namaste'
as to purity, I am now trying acetone instead of ISO after doing some more research and even discovered there is a book out there explaining several techniques Cannabis Alchemy by David Gold.

The second shake of the fresh bud did not yield anything favorable, I tossed it. And as to the left behind trich stems hell I'm clueless, but will keep experimentin :)

So far the acetone has given a much cleaner yield, this first batch is a finished bud batch and if it turns out good I will do a fresh bud in tomorrow (this batch is still drying/evaporating) I notice that it does not extract the plant matter as much or as quickly and my research revealed that you can even use acetone on stems. it has a much more golden hue to it (the ISO was greenish) and I am looking forward to testing it :)

and yes Lumi, I will save some for April LOL
 

Danielsgb

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I finally got caught up with your thread. Plants look great. I hope all is well. I used acetone many years ago to make hash oil. It had a chemical taste we could never remove. We tried a few times. I might have to try the ISO hash sometime.
Daniels
 

riddleme

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I finally got caught up with your thread. Plants look great. I hope all is well. I used acetone many years ago to make hash oil. It had a chemical taste we could never remove. We tried a few times. I might have to try the ISO hash sometime.
Daniels
my research says to wash the acetone base with ISO :)
 

Illumination

New Member
my research says to wash the acetone base with ISO :)
wash it twice with the iso after the acetone...for the most awesome solvency use xylene...works terrifically for opium poppies.....and will leave no nuance or trace of its presence....but takes a lil longer to dissipate ...but safe to use heat to speed it up...just not too hot

Namaste'
 
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