motoracer110
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true but most of those grow operations are bringing in millions of dollars. I have yet to see a grow operation on the news where there where 6 plants involved or better yet 12
So can cops trace where you live from this website???
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true but most of those grow operations are bringing in millions of dollars. I have yet to see a grow operation on the news where there where 6 plants involved or better yet 12
motoracer110
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and the medical card is just for a select few states but still its not like a meth lab
Khemi
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Jonus, thank you for that. Very informative. I don't think many people here realize how watched these boards are, and comments like, "Fuck the Police" are immature and counterproductive to our cause. Do we really want to come off like anarchists or responsible pot smoking contributors to society?
With every message board your going to have little kids who don't think before they type. It's clear there is a lack of intelligence present. With that being said, what is intelligent is the mention of digital fingerprints given off by digital cameras.. I heard about this years ago and didn't believe it and still don't. You may be able to identify the type of camera, but an embedded serial number or code providing that on the pic?! Yea.. I'd like to see a link referencing such things.
With every message board your going to have little kids who don't think before they type. It's clear there is a lack of intelligence present. With that being said, what is intelligent is the mention of digital fingerprints given off by digital cameras.. I heard about this years ago and didn't believe it and still don't. You may be able to identify the type of camera, but an embedded serial number or code providing that on the pic?! Yea.. I'd like to see a link referencing such things.
iFeeLikeDying
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pretty much the bottom line is that the cop can do whatever they want legally or not and they can find out whos been on this website pretty damn fast then make up al the legal bullshit later. IF they feel like its worth their while.
Jonus
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No thats right, you wont see small raids on the news, they do however happen. The police wont know how many plants are in your house until they raid. The size of the bust will determine whether or not it makes the local rag news paper or the national news syndicates.
motoracer110
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its pretty impossible for that to happen over the internet. the pixels are not there if the image was blown up it would be a mess to be able to trace something like that. the only thing that can trace is your printer that i have heard of so that they can catch people who make counterfeit money. but the technology is not there to blow up a picture that has been compressed for the internet. I have also taken about 4 years of school for photoshop so im pretty good about editing photos and nothing like that can be done from what i have learned.
motoracer110
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lol im ready for a bowl. too much debating for me all good points from everyone.Never allow the po po into your house without a warrant, never say anything to the police without a lawyer present, even if your not guilty. The attorneys who work for the state have one job, to convict a person of a crime. its not necessarily to convict the guilty, they get a pat on the back and a paycheck at the end of the day no matter if the person behind bars is guilty or innocent.
The PAtriot act eroded many of our constitutional rights, all the goverment has to do to bust down your door, throw you in prison for life, never let you have a trial, and torture you daily ( All legally BTW) is just put you on its " Suspected Terrorist" list. its almost 1 million americans strong and growing.
The PAtriot act eroded many of our constitutional rights, all the goverment has to do to bust down your door, throw you in prison for life, never let you have a trial, and torture you daily ( All legally BTW) is just put you on its " Suspected Terrorist" list. its almost 1 million americans strong and growing.
Jonus
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The Exif data that is available in some images has been used in the past by police along with a string of other bullshit bits of so called evidence, to fool a judge into issuing search warrants.
Mostly the police don't use one piece of evidence to blugeon some judge into complying with their needs for warrants, they often use lots of little curcumstantial bits of nothing to create something.
So they will present something like this:
Code:
Manufacturer = EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Model = KODAK C310 DIGITAL CAMERA
Exposure Time = 1/64 sec [0.016]
F Number = 9/2 [4.500]
Exposure Program = Normal program
ISO Speed Ratings = 140
Exif Version = 0221
Original Create Time = 2005:01:28 16:49:17
Digitalization Time = 2005:01:28 16:49:17
Components Configuration = YCbCr
Compressed Bits per Pixel = 16/5 [3.200]
Shutter Speed Value = 599/100 [5.990]
Aperture Value = 433/100 [4.330]
Exposure Bias Value = 0
Max. Aperture Value = 433/100
Metering mode = CenterWeightedAverage
Flash = Flash fired, automatic mode
Focal Length = 5.90 mmas collected from an image posted on a website, along with a shit load of other circumstancial bits of nonsense, and make claims that they believe you are the owner of that camera, and give guarantees that with this specific bit of evidence they believe they will be able to make a match between the camera data collected from the images on the site to the one in your possession. And through HD analysis they believe they will be able to recover the deleted images and thus prove it came from you etc etc et cetera...
Just another trick they use in manufacturing the criteria for warrants.
If you are concerned about the exif data in any images you post just open your image in a text editor, the EXIF information is usually near the top of the file, change the name of the camera to Mickey Mouse then save - easy peezy.
Jonus
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There is also a little app out there called ifanview which can do the removal for you. Homepage http://www.irfanview.net/
Example pic attached has this data which can be collected from the image:
Clearly taken on a Nokia 6120c cellphone.
Example pic attached has this data which can be collected from the image:
Code:
Make - Nokia
Model - 6120c
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 300
YResolution - 300
ResolutionUnit - Inch
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 138
FNumber - 3.20
ExifVersion - 0220
DateTimeOriginal - 2008:12:02 12:56:16
DateTimeDigitized - 2008:12:02 12:56:16
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
ApertureValue - F 3.03
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Flash not fired, auto mode
FocalLength - 4.90 mm
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 1600
ExifImageHeight - 1200
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
White Balance - Auto
DigitalZoomRatio - 1.00 x
SceneCaptureType - Standard
Thumbnail: -
Compression - 6 (JPG)
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
JpegIFOffset - 526
JpegIFByteCount - 4546Clearly taken on a Nokia 6120c cellphone.
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motoracer110
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There is also a little app out there called ifanview which can do the removal for you. Homepage http://www.irfanview.net/
Example pic attached has this data which can be collected from the image:
Code:Make - Nokia Model - 6120c Orientation - Top left XResolution - 300 YResolution - 300 ResolutionUnit - Inch YCbCrPositioning - Centered ExifOffset - 138 FNumber - 3.20 ExifVersion - 0220 DateTimeOriginal - 2008:12:02 12:56:16 DateTimeDigitized - 2008:12:02 12:56:16 ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr ApertureValue - F 3.03 LightSource - Auto Flash - Flash not fired, auto mode FocalLength - 4.90 mm FlashPixVersion - 0100 ColorSpace - sRGB ExifImageWidth - 1600 ExifImageHeight - 1200 CustomRendered - Normal process ExposureMode - Auto White Balance - Auto DigitalZoomRatio - 1.00 x SceneCaptureType - Standard Thumbnail: - Compression - 6 (JPG) XResolution - 72 YResolution - 72 ResolutionUnit - Inch JpegIFOffset - 526 JpegIFByteCount - 4546
Clearly taken on a Nokia 6120c cellphone.
o ok that makes sense. i thought they were meaning on the picture itself like microscopic or something lol
Jonus
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All good mate.
So anyways, heres the same image with the exif data stripped.
I used a free app called XNView to do the stripping
http://www.xnview.com
So anyways, heres the same image with the exif data stripped.
Code:
DateTime - 2008:12:02 18:41:21
ExifOffset - 58
Thumbnail: -
Compression - 6 (JPG)
JpegIFOffset - 106
JpegIFByteCount - 4166I used a free app called XNView to do the stripping
http://www.xnview.com
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dazed but not confused
Active Member
Thats pretty cool how you can erase all that. But I still think they can trace anything, information is everywhere, whatever that was you removed is still somewhere in cyberspace.
But I don't think they would waste the effort to go and find everybody with a nokia 6120c phone just to find out who took a picture of one or two plants
But I don't think they would waste the effort to go and find everybody with a nokia 6120c phone just to find out who took a picture of one or two plants
dazed but not confused
Active Member
but that website is good to know...just in case
Jonus
Well-Known Member
No thats right, and that wasn't the point I raised it for earlier either.
Fact of the matter is exif data has been a part of search warrants in the past not specifically targetted at growers but was a part of a police affidavit that was full of 100s of bits of similar bullshit designed to convince a judge to issue a search warrant.
By itself it means nothing, but alongside lots of other bits of non related bullshit, it is another tool that is over the judges head but sounds plausible therefore adds weight to the police affidavitt and helps them manufacture search warrants.
Fact of the matter is exif data has been a part of search warrants in the past not specifically targetted at growers but was a part of a police affidavit that was full of 100s of bits of similar bullshit designed to convince a judge to issue a search warrant.
By itself it means nothing, but alongside lots of other bits of non related bullshit, it is another tool that is over the judges head but sounds plausible therefore adds weight to the police affidavitt and helps them manufacture search warrants.
Jonus
Well-Known Member
That first link is to an app you can use to check to make sure youre not sending images that contain too much info. Actually editting and shrinking your images in an image editor can often result in most of the data being removed anyways. But with that app you can check, if exif data is something you are concerned about.
GrowTech
stays relevant.
How would they know who they were getting a warrant for? I can just see a judge granting a warrant for a Mr 'woomeister' lol!
Saying that you can successfully produce a clone from a fan leaf, and then not producing pics like you said you would... definitely a crime.
Maybe they would get a warrant for those pics.
i gotta add my 2 cents to this discussion..the very first place the cops go when they raid your home is to the computor...a prosicutor told me one time...i wasnt amused at the time..but he said..if no one see's the crime .there is no evidence..there is no crime..weather it happened or not..we cannot prosicute without evidence..don give the copps any evidence..just so you know..almost no cop knows what the constitution says..if they do they ignore it and violate people's right all the time..cop's are the enemy of the constitution..the politicians are the enemy of the constitution..what ever laws they make or try to inforce are illegal if they are contrary to the constitution...the government isnt anything but a large organized crime syndicate..run by large multi national corp's ..would you listen to a law a criminal makes?i wont..and i wont give the pigs any evidence either...one day...all of the people they have abused..stole from..( such as me) will comeb ack to haunt their ass..watch ...you are on the verge of a total economic callamity ..caused by the government..they tell you they can solve the problems they caused..i doubt it..they are just going to grub some more of your rights up..so they can have total control.. incase anyone hasnt noticed..between the federal govenment..and the federal reserve..someone we never elected to spend out money..have spent 6 trillion dollars in six months..that is around 60K dollars for every family they spent..WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION so..what good did it do the economy so far? fucking no good.its money gone..and we have to pay it back..and over 80% of the american people were against it..so..who do these ass clowns represent? the people? i doubt it..they are the enemy's of the people..and the cops are the fucking nazi thugs they send out to harrass the people..these people are corrupt garbage..i have no respect for this government or law..
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
Well said Max!! My take is this: From my many years of experience, I know that pot smokers tend to abnormal paranoia. That being said, I ignore it. I don't tell anybody about my little grow and I don't sell weed. It's totally contained - period. It's not posting here on RIU that will get you busted, it's telling your trusted "friend" that tells two of his buddies, who tells 18 of their friends, who tell 245 of their friends and within 3 days everybody - including a few cops - know about your grow. STFU if you don't want to get busted. For all we know, RIU is based in the Netherlands and they would just give the cops the finger if they came knocking. Anyway... I could care less about the cops reading my posts on here; I'm certainly not going to worry about it.
