So how about banning all semi-automatic weapons?

canndo

canndo

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Dr Kynes said:
so which of these should apply to voting or free speech as well?

background checks? gotta make sure any voters will vote in the approved manner you know...
banning semi-automatic voting? voting for more than one issue in each ballot? keep those pesky politically active assholes from voting against or for too many things, so they gotta pick what REALLLY matters to them.
banning high capacity opinions? man it really sucks when newspapers are too thick. reducing the size of newspapers will reduce the amount of space available for criticism of our Dear Leader!
felons and the mentally ill are already prohibited from owning fiearms, in most states felons and wackos are not allowed to vote either, this is here to imply popular support = constitutionality. it doesnt.
limiting expose to ideas and opinions to one book a week, or 5 books in a year would really help reduce subversive action from those damned intellectuals. Onward my faithful Khmer Rouge!
perhaps a license for those who wish to write their opinions down? keep those pesky journalists under control by revoking the license of any who get too subversive or who dare oppose The Party
fuckit, we can just ban all opinions and voting, that'll really help keep the powerful in power too.

we get it, you hate guns, fear your neighbors and worry all the time that somebody might not submit to your will. damn those damned righties! we should put them all against the wall and umm... shit. give them a good talkiing to?
damn, thats why we need to keep some guns, but only in the hands of Party Loyalists and those we can trust to be Properly Radicalized, you know, The Vanguard, so we have somebody to hurl their bodies at the barricades when the Grand Socialist Revolution comes.
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No, you don't get it, I don't hate firearms, I don't fear my neighors, I don't worry that someone won't submit to my will. Read my posts carefully and you will see that I don't hate firearms, what I do hate is the fairy tale beliefs and tired rehetoric surrounding pro-gun folks.

Those who believe the way you do will believe that we all have this wonderful last chance after we lose our fisrt amendment rights to take the country back by force. When we all agree that that is an imposibility rather than romanticizing about it we are far less likely to actually lose our 2nd amendment rights. You folks actually believe you can protect your 2nd with your 2nd, it won't work that way.
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
Yeah, and they train together for days or weeks right? And they have helicpoters, drones, satelite imagery, comand and control capabilities, onging supply lines, interchangeable ammunition, secure communications, tanks and the like. sure.
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You need people to operate all of those things, humans are soft and squishy and respond poorly to ventilation holes.
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
No, you don't get it, I don't hate firearms, I don't fear my neighors, I don't worry that someone won't submit to my will. Read my posts carefully and you will see that I don't hate firearms, what I do hate is the fairy tale beliefs and tired rehetoric surrounding pro-gun folks.

Those who believe the way you do will believe that we all have this wonderful last chance after we lose our fisrt amendment rights to take the country back by force. When we all agree that that is an imposibility rather than romanticizing about it we are far less likely to actually lose our 2nd amendment rights. You folks actually believe you can protect your 2nd with your 2nd, it won't work that way.
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Dude, the reality is this: The US military and the US Police are not going to turn on the US Citizen and start slaughtering us, not gonna happen. We cannot even control Afghanistan which is puny in size compared to the USA and not near as well armed and you think its just gonna be a cake walk.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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canndo said:
Nope, no illogica at all, automobiles are designed to transport things and people from one place to another, when people get killed it is most often damage collateral to a different purpose entirely.


Guns are designed to kill things. The point of banning them would be to reduce the incidence of them doing so. (not that it would work) The point is that your argument is off the mark.
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No you're tiny liberal brain seems to have missed the point again.

A car can be just as likely to kill as a firearm, both are dangerous with a massive potential for harm...it's the INTENT when using it that determines the outcome.

Weed is TOTALLY banned here, I can get it any day of the week within 15mins, handguns are banned too, same deal.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
No, you don't get it, I don't hate firearms, I don't fear my neighors, I don't worry that someone won't submit to my will. Read my posts carefully and you will see that I don't hate firearms, what I do hate is the fairy tale beliefs and tired rehetoric surrounding pro-gun folks.
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if you read their posts, it's clear, the good people on Stormfront dont have a problem with black people, they just hate the fairy tales of black people being people, and the rhetoric used by pro-black hate-hating groups to defend the miscegenation and spread of negro blood's taint in america. yeah, it's totally different.

people who dont fear guns dont make all these posts positing solutions to the "gun problem" when in fact we have a "government problem"

canndo said:
Those who believe the way you do will believe that we all have this wonderful last chance after we lose our fisrt amendment rights to take the country back by force. When we all agree that that is an imposibility rather than romanticizing about it we are far less likely to actually lose our 2nd amendment rights. You folks actually believe you can protect your 2nd with your 2nd, it won't work that way.
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we have been losing our second amendment rights to the gun control and disarmament lobby for 50 years now, little by little the government and it's stooges in the press have been telling us "just give up a little, it's for your own good"' and it never helps.

when ANY nation can eliminate violence from their society by banning weapons maybe ill listen, but it hasnt happened yet. not anywhere. not ever.
banning arms invariably leads to government control, and despotism.
 
cleverpiggy

cleverpiggy

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Guns are the deterrent from a tyrannical government. This is why our constitution is so beautiful. Fear those who wish to make you unarmed! The price of freedom is heavy, deaths come from all fronts in this battle for liberty.
 
canndo

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NoDrama said:
Dude, the reality is this: The US military and the US Police are not going to turn on the US Citizen and start slaughtering us, not gonna happen. We cannot even control Afghanistan which is puny in size compared to the USA and not near as well armed and you think its just gonna be a cake walk.
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no? so The Whiskey Rebellion didn't happen? Waco didn't happen? Kent state didn't happen? Ruby ridge didn't happen? The military tends to do as it is told when it has been trained to do it that way, furthermore, you cannot know that the majority of the military would know the truth of a particular situation. "keeping the peace" can mean many things and one of them
 
canndo

canndo

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Dr Kynes said:
we have been losing our second amendment rights to the gun control and disarmament lobby for 50 years now, little by little the government and it's stooges in the press have been telling us "just give up a little, it's for your own good"' and it never helps.

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And you believe that why? I recall even the "assault weapon ban" whatever that is, was not reenacted. i can't see where our gun rights have been curtailed recently, hell, we can even carry in Federal parkland. Seems to me that you are believing the NRA propaganda.
 
canndo

canndo

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cleverpiggy said:
Guns are the deterrent from a tyrannical government. This is why our constitution is so beautiful. Fear those who wish to make you unarmed! The price of freedom is heavy, deaths come from all fronts in this battle for liberty.
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Except it isn't a deterrent and that in our modern age guns will not protect your rights and a nation that has over a million man military is not particularly concerned about an armed civilian population.
 
canndo

canndo

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Harrekin said:
No you're tiny liberal brain seems to have missed the point again.

A car can be just as likely to kill as a firearm, both are dangerous with a massive potential for harm...it's the INTENT when using it that determines the outcome.

Weed is TOTALLY banned here, I can get it any day of the week within 15mins, handguns are banned too, same deal.
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As I said before, when you can grow a firearm in your basement under a light then we can compare illegal weed with illegal weapons. Sure there will always be some smiths who could make firearms but not many when compared to the millions of pounds of dope being grown in this country. And my tiny liberal brain (seems you folks always wind up insulting when you run out of decent arguments) has no problem comprehending the difference between a car and a firearm.
 
nontheist

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canndo said:
Except it isn't a deterrent and that in our modern age guns will not protect your rights and a nation that has over a million man military is not particularly concerned about an armed civilian population.
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You assume too much. I think a million man military has reason to fear a 200million armed populace. Especially if their family is included.
 
nontheist

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canndo said:
As I said before, when you can grow a firearm in your basement under a light then we can compare illegal weed with illegal weapons. Sure there will always be some smiths who could make firearms but not many when compared to the millions of pounds of dope being grown in this country. And my tiny liberal brain (seems you folks always wind up insulting when you run out of decent arguments) has no problem comprehending the difference between a car and a firearm.
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You're in about as liberal of a territory as you can get and shit still isn't flying.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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canndo said:
Except it isn't a deterrent and that in our modern age guns will not protect your rights and a nation that over a million man military is not particularly concerned about an armed civilian population.
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*Wonders how many times Canndo will repeat his position before realising noone is agreeing with him...*
 
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NoDrama

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canndo said:
no? so The Whiskey Rebellion didn't happen? Waco didn't happen? Kent state didn't happen? Ruby ridge didn't happen? The military tends to do as it is told when it has been trained to do it that way, furthermore, you cannot know that the majority of the military would know the truth of a particular situation. "keeping the peace" can mean many things and one of them
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You are talking about small groups of people, not the US population in general.
Waco was FBI, Ruby Ridge was FBI, Kent State was the BB Gun brigade and the whiskey rebellion was the militia. No military at all.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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canndo said:
As I said before, when you can grow a firearm in your basement under a light then we can compare illegal weed with illegal weapons. Sure there will always be some smiths who could make firearms but not many when compared to the millions of pounds of dope being grown in this country. And my tiny liberal brain (seems you folks always wind up insulting when you run out of decent arguments) has no problem comprehending the difference between a car and a firearm.
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Wow, you missed the point again.

Illegality only effects availability if you follow the law.

Do criminals and nutbags who shoot up schools care about the law?

So you remove the guns from legit gun owners but the criminals say "fuck that" and the status quo remains, except now only criminals are armed.

Why do people shoot up movie theatres and schools?

Cos there's noone able to defend themselves there due to, wait for it, gun control!
 
cleverpiggy

cleverpiggy

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canndo said:
Except it isn't a deterrent and that in our modern age guns will not protect your rights and a nation that has over a million man military is not particularly concerned about an armed civilian population.
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You fail to recognize true patriots within the ranks of the military and government that swore to uphold the constitution at all costs, to protect our nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You are a fool to believe that all the people i.e. military and rank and file government workers agree with our current policies. Internal strife and patriotic dedication can be the down fall of any tyrannical government.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
no? so The Whiskey Rebellion didn't happen? Waco didn't happen? Kent state didn't happen? Ruby ridge didn't happen? The military tends to do as it is told when it has been trained to do it that way, furthermore, you cannot know that the majority of the military would know the truth of a particular situation. "keeping the peace" can mean many things and one of them
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Whiskey Rebellion: NOT AN ACTUAL INSURRECTION! nobody killed, no shots fired, both sides decided to talk it over, the rebellers won by electing Jefferson and repealing the unjust law. bad example.
Kent State: a couple national guardsmen popped off at the annoying hippies. this is not making war on america. even at the time MOST of america (except bob dylan) felt pretty good about the incident. another bad example
Waco/Ruby Ridge/Fremen/et al. : not the military. those were all federal goon squads. not even the national guard. not even an example.
 
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