So I decided to stop fuckin around...

And get serious about this craft. I have one grow under my belt which went okay but I've decided to take the plunge and get real. I'm going with stinkbud's aero/nft system for my next grow and I am still a bit hazy pertaining to nutrition for the plants. I decided I'm going to use AN Sensi 2 part + H&G Root Excelurator + AN B-52 for vegging. Then I was thinking about going Organic and using the AN organic line for flowering. Since I already decided on using sensi 2 part, HG Root excelurator and B-52, I was wondering if I need anything else for the Veg phase? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

hello flymolo, I'm running the stinkbud system-got a little over a year under my belt. Any questions fire away. I've found the veg portion is pretty simple. If you got a two part nute-use it with the recommended veg dosage. I start kinda light on the veg dosage. Like 1100 ppm or so. Once their rooted you really can't stop them, they grow like crazy. Sounds like you have invested plenty in nutes, my only advice is don't go hog wild on your nute purchases, it gets expensive. Keep it simple. Change your res. every 3 weeks and adjust your ph and let her rip. This system grows like gang busters. Get C02 if you can afford it. I just did a C02 burner with controller for 600 bucks and I should have done it a long time ago. good luck. peace.

Dudes, Stink Bud's system is a sad, low yield, high maintenance, high labor, high production cost, high root rot system. If you want an efficient high yield, low production cost, low foot print, low maintenance system go with a high pressure or air atomized deep chamber aero system growing SOG clones. I get 1.5 pounds every three weeks from a 12" by 3" grow area. No recirculating reservoirs, no root rot. No constant pH balancing or EC adjustments or water top offs. Drain to waste nutrients, cyclic misting of, clones, veg and budding. Only 32 watts per square foot of long tube CFC lighting for veg and clones, 42 watts lighting per square foot for budding. Budding 6 weeks at medium amber resins. Grow chem nutes no supplements.

Fatman, while 1.5lbs of meds is AWESOME every few weeks I will admit that one of the biggest contributors of my decision to go with stinkbud's system is that his plans for it are available for all to follow and were quite easy to understand for someone with limited growing experience such as myself. Are there similar resources for the system you are using?

Dragon, thanks for the offer to help me out on this. I will definitely shoot a Q? or two over should anything come up.

I too would love to have the knowledge to build a high pressure aero system but I have no idea where to start!

Dragonbud where did you find a burner and controler for 600 bucks?? Im looking to get co2 and i dont want to waste it without a controler.
Thanks

fLaPzZ said:

I too would love to have the knowledge to build a high pressure aero system but I have no idea where to start!

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There is a 117 page thread on HP and air atomized aero in deep chambers. There are several grow forums on other sites. There are patent US patentdesign aplications for the chamber aeromix Brand air atomized aero system on-line. I can not post links to other grow forum sites in the threads as that is against forum rules here. I can give the information through a PM. I get slapped on the wrist (10 to 30 day banishments) often enough for just insulting people, I do not need to post links to other sites and get in even more trouble. If others post thsoe links after obtaining them from me that is on them. I can post links to retail non-seed selling sites that show photos of much higher quailty DWC systems or government/university sites on NFT and aero that allow to to understand why stink buds system is sub par.

Example: Look at the under current retail site that has better DWC systems than any on this site. However, better can be built than those by an average DWC with a small amount of additional knowledge I can easily supply. Remember that the piping can be extended to have part of the system in one tent or room (vegging) without adversely affecting the systems performance. A down sixzed system can be set up for clones alone. Al three would do better then with using his tree method antique poor performance sytems. The systems caneven be eaisly set up with EC and pH controllers to go with their auto top off systems for water.

Here is the Under Current site. http://cch2o.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37

Dirtfree said:

Dragonbud where did you find a burner and controler for 600 bucks?? Im looking to get co2 and i dont want to waste it without a controler.
Thanks

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On the Controller I got a Hydrogen controller. It's all in one. It has Leds that show the level of C02. It turns on the C02 generator until it reaches 1500 ppm and then turns it off, when it falls below 1300 ppm it turns it on again. I bought the CAP C02 burner and it works great. The website is. Plantlightinghydroponics.com http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/hydrogen-senseair®-co2-monitor-p-2793.html and http://www.plantlightinghydroponics...-4burner-electronic-co2-generator-p-1889.html good luck

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There is a 117 page thread on HP and air atomized aero in deep chambers. There are several grow forums on other sites. There are patent US patentdesign aplications for the chamber aeromix Brand air atomized aero system on-line. I can not post links to other grow forum sites in the threads as that is against forum rules here. I can give the information through a PM. I get slapped on the wrist (10 to 30 day banishments) often enough for just insulting people, I do not need to post links to other sites and get in even more trouble. If others post thsoe links after obtaining them from me that is on them. I can post links to retail non-seed selling sites that show photos of much higher quailty DWC systems or government/university sites on NFT and aero that allow to to understand why stink buds system is sub par.

Example: Look at the under current retail site that has better DWC systems than any on this site. However, better can be built than those by an average DWC with a small amount of additional knowledge I can easily supply. Remember that the piping can be extended to have part of the system in one tent or room (vegging) without adversely affecting the systems performance. A down sixzed system can be set up for clones alone. Al three would do better then with using his tree method antique poor performance sytems. The systems caneven be eaisly set up with EC and pH controllers to go with their auto top off systems for water.

Here is the Under Current site. http://cch2o.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37

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Actually, the stinkbud system is working just fine for me. How expensive is your system? How is the maintenace compared with the stinkbud system? I'm using this system and it is working just fine. Maybe you have some super sytem but there are more than ones to grow the bud. Life is not black and white, neither is growing hoochie. I'm sure your system works just fine but this system does too. Your system will have it's pluses as well as it's negatives. peace.

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There is a 117 page thread on HP and air atomized aero in deep chambers. There are several grow forums on other sites. There are patent US patentdesign aplications for the chamber aeromix Brand air atomized aero system on-line. I can not post links to other grow forum sites in the threads as that is against forum rules here. I can give the information through a PM. I get slapped on the wrist (10 to 30 day banishments) often enough for just insulting people, I do not need to post links to other sites and get in even more trouble. If others post thsoe links after obtaining them from me that is on them. I can post links to retail non-seed selling sites that show photos of much higher quailty DWC systems or government/university sites on NFT and aero that allow to to understand why stink buds system is sub par.

Example: Look at the under current retail site that has better DWC systems than any on this site. However, better can be built than those by an average DWC with a small amount of additional knowledge I can easily supply. Remember that the piping can be extended to have part of the system in one tent or room (vegging) without adversely affecting the systems performance. A down sixzed system can be set up for clones alone. Al three would do better then with using his tree method antique poor performance sytems. The systems caneven be eaisly set up with EC and pH controllers to go with their auto top off systems for water.

Here is the Under Current site. http://cch2o.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37

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Looks like I've got some reading to do!

Initial set up is higher. Maintenance is much lower, No EC adjustments needed, no pH adustments, no watertop offs, no root root. Higher yield, higher quality, 1/3 less time in budding. His system requires 56 square foot to produce 1 pound per-square feet per every three weeks. Mine requires 36 square feet to produce 1.5 pounds per every 3 weeks. His energy costs and nutrients costs are higher. My system is cheaply expandable, his is not.

His system does not work just fine unless you like high maintenance, root rot, low yields and low efficiency (high energy and nutrient cost per gram produced). The increased yield of just one or two harvests will easily pay off the difference in set up costs, plus you have the energy savings and the nutrient cost savings plus much less daily maintenance, plus the plants are always getting fresh balanced nutrients at a correct pH correct not unbalanced nutrients from a recirculating reservoir or a dwc cess pool reservoir.

It is about ease of use, and cost of production dude. mj is a high value crop, initial equipment investment costs for a better system repays very, very quickly. Why grow bud at a cost of dollars per gram when you can grow for a cost of cents per gram.

If your happy with so a "just fine" performance that is your choice Dude, but many people want better than "just fine." IE I like to eat good steaks, and fresh sea foofd, real lazanga, french cookng, not settling just for hotdogs and McDonalds burgers at a higher cost then the steaks and seafood. I would rather cook a $10 steak on the grill with a potato and some butter then spend $10 at McDonalds.

Any other lane questions you want answered?

Fatman I sent you a pm but you havent got back with me. Holla at your boy!

I'm sorry my PM services got over run with PM's again and some just did not appear. I have just cleared the strorage files in myPM system storage so there is now room again. Could you resend the PM please. Sorry for the troubles. I have realised that if a person is presently writing a PM (me) and his capacity will be filled after his present PM being written is sent it does not always warn the sender (you) that his just sent PM is dumped as it is just held in temporary storage until the writer (ME) sends his PM and therefore closes his service to allow new messages (yours from temporary storage) to appear in his (mine) storage systems as a new PM.

OK, if your system is the bomb I understand you being a little cocky. Just pretend you are in a college environment and you have fellow students who have different opinions. What do you do? You listen to their opinion and share yours. You don't make suggestions that they throw their research paper in the trash. This is forum about MJ and there are a bunch of young people that don't express themselves well. I think you might have some good cannabis knowledge but you also have a handicap that prevents you from documenting and proving any type of success. My only beef is the way you express your opinion while saying that other methods are so detrimental to the cannabis universal equalibrium constant. Post your plans on your system, it sounds great, but I havn't heard one word about it in any MJ publication such as High Times, Skunk, or anywhere on this forum for that matter. peace.

Dude, I am a fully tenured professor, I can not publish in such trash mags and expect to keep my job. As far as pretending I am a student. Why would I want to even consider doing that. I will be very,very surprised theday you or about anyone in a mj forum teaches me much of anything about growing mj Dude. The closest that has ever come to happening is to heresomething about a system I had never tried using before. I can say tree farmer actually surprised mewith a fewbits of info as did atomizer. Other than those two, I definitely have not seen any words in print in any of the the mj growing forums that were new to me. I do constantly here old, sad info repeated constantlty as if it were new and special,. The totally ludicrousnees of so much of the info is pretty over powering at times. I feel I restrain my self well in that I am not constantly simply writing bull shit over and over in almost every 5 star thread.

I seldom listen to student opinions as they seldom voice them to professors. I have no idea what they voice to each other. Besides college students (at least in the sciences) neraly always have scientific reasoning for their opinions they do occasionally express rather than simply trying to argue opinions based on regurgitated Myths, antiquated and ludicrous practices some other students think are the bomb. College students are typically supportive of growth and change, improvement and betterment, efficiency and economics rather that hanging on to antiquated, sad antiquated methodologies, opinions, myths and systems. I teach in the field of engineering. The field strives for improvement not for hanging on to old dysfunctional equipment and methodologies. Most students ask questions of their professors rather than trying to argue as if they are a peer. If you expect m to consider all posters to these forum threads as n my peers and therefore subject to peer review by them, don't hold your breath waiting for that as it is not gonna happen.

Besides it is the forum of one of those fine magazines whose administrators without being served a search warrant or a subpoena gave copies of every photo I had ever posted to their forum site to the police. These photos got me convicted on a drug manufacturing felony. The appellate court ruled even though the photos were in admissible as proof of the crime that the photos could not be considered prejudicial as they obviously showed a propensity to commit the crime so my conviction was upheld even though all other evidence had been thrown out by the lower court. Oh yes I want to publish in comic book grade mj magazines. Sure Dude.

...fatman, I've heard you knock almost everyone's growing technique on this site! ...what's your deal? Lucas, Stinkbuddies, exc... these are proven successful techniques...regardless of your position in society, a narcissistic fellow as yourself gets no respect.

fatman,

sent you a pm, let me know if you got it or not. i am interested in those reading.

trichlone fiend said:

...fatman, I've heard you knock almost everyone's growing technique on this site! ...what's your deal? Lucas, Stinkbuddies, exc... these are proven successful techniques...regardless of your position in society, a narcissistic fellow as yourself gets no respect.

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Dude I am not here to socialize or make friends. I could care less if you respect me. Not an issue with me. Hate me if you like. Just realize I am not a liar. I am not a nice, socially correct good old boy. Actually more than one mental health professional has told me I show no evidence of possessing any positive socio emotional skills what so ever. Oh my bad. Ask me if I care. I do not.

As far as the Lucas formula: Lucas has never created a nutrient formulation Dude. He has merely used two seperate GH formulations of a three part Series of formulations and sadly recommended people use it rather than the better performing use of all three of the formulations. That hardly meanshe has created any formula of any kind. He has just come up with a simple mixing method that works not as well as that method designed by the nutrient formulaters GH. That is fact. At best all that can be said is that it will suffice for those who are willing to settle for a poor performing nutrient prepartion rather than using a better performing three part series as directed by GH who created the three formulations (pus a hard water Micro formulation). In other words it is a sad methodology recommended byLucas that gained famenot be caused it work better but simply cbecause it worked "well enough". FACTS!!!!

The stinkbud system is way past its prime, if it can even honestly be said it ever had a real prime. I doubt that stinkbud even thinks it is a good enough system to still be using. I would think he moved on to a better system a long, long time ago. I have liitle respect for those who simply settle for "it is good enough, or works well enough" especially when there are so many better ways and systems.

So dude I could care less who you do or do not respect. I really do not even know what you said really means or is supposed to mean as anyone who thinks the "Lucas Formula" or the stinkbud systems" are proven sucessfull techniques has lost touch with reality. Knowledgable and openly forthright people, have from the time the techniques first appeared in the forums, voiced displeasure with their performances. Constantly it is in the forums that stink buds NFT is sunomimous with the words "root rot." Few people stay with either of them if they are serious growers rather than just hobby growers with minimal knowledge of all the options. Many are just cheap so stick with the systems beacause they think they are adequate for the cost and expect little due to that. Many justby the hype from peoplelike you. But for the hobby growers who don't care about the poor performance, as long as it produces enough for their stash, settling for so little is likely quite common. That hardly means either are proven successful techniques however.

Narcissistic, sure but I have ample reason Dude. So just put me on your ignore list rather than talking trash and wasting my time Dude.

fatman7574 said:

I feel I restrain my self well in that I am not constantly simply writing bull shit over and over in almost every 5 star thread.

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No disrepect to anyone else as I haven't been on this forum long, but I've got to say that that sentence tickled me.

fatman send me the links on the aero system id like to check it out...