Something smells fishy at Tilray

sativeritas said:

Exactly. Well said.

The LP's are not inherently evil or bad growers, HC has once again built a program that is designed to fail. The contempt Health Canada has for patients is disgusting. I lurk RIU a lot and its a crying shame to see so many passionate people focus their hate at the wrong place.

Also the LP's are challenging HC behind closed doors on lots of issues - but they are in a captured regulatory market and have to play within the system or risk losing their license all together. Groups like the CMCIA have been formed to exactly what you're describing - which is challenge HC,

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Thank you for saying all of this. LPs are not the bad guys. They are being hurt as much as MMAR patients. I am an MMAR patient and a frustrated hopeful LP. The hate is misplaced. Health Canada, as part of the the conservative government, is screwing up both the MMAR and the MMPR. I do hope the courts work out some way for LPs to be able to grow, and for patients, actually anyone, to grow a few plants at home if they want to. I could grow grapes and make my own wine, why can't I grow a few cannabis plants? I don't see the difference.

The LPs, through the CMCIA are regularly meeting with HC and trying to make changes. As more LPs become licensed, the CMCIA will have a stronger voice. I am completely frustrated with HC. Why aren't they inspecting hopeful LPs? I know we have acted in good faith and assumed that HC would do the same. Now we are waiting for inspections. There are several of us that have jumped through every hoop that HC put up, and now we wait.........

MarijeJane said:

Thank you for saying all of this. LPs are not the bad guys. They are being hurt as much as MMAR patients. I am an MMAR patient and a frustrated hopeful LP. The hate is misplaced. Health Canada, as part of the the conservative government, is screwing up both the MMAR and the MMPR. I do hope the courts work out some way for LPs to be able to grow, and for patients, actually anyone, to grow a few plants at home if they want to. I could grow grapes and make my own wine, why can't I grow a few cannabis plants? I don't see the difference.

The LPs, through the CMCIA are regularly meeting with HC and trying to make changes. As more LPs become licensed, the CMCIA will have a stronger voice. I am completely frustrated with HC. Why aren't they inspecting hopeful LPs? I know we have acted in good faith and assumed that HC would do the same. Now we are waiting for inspections. There are several of us that have jumped through every hoop that HC put up, and now we wait.........

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Conservative government. They are NOT going to make this easy.

October, 2015 - things will change.

BUT - WE need to tell them, what WE want.

The patients, growers, potential LP's, people that have been in this world for YEARS - they need to speak up.

We CAN make this a system that we can all happily live in together. All we have to do is Care enough to TRY.

MarijeJane said:

Thank you for saying all of this. LPs are not the bad guys. They are being hurt as much as MMAR patients. I am an MMAR patient and a frustrated hopeful LP. The hate is misplaced. Health Canada, as part of the the conservative government, is screwing up both the MMAR and the MMPR. I do hope the courts work out some way for LPs to be able to grow, and for patients, actually anyone, to grow a few plants at home if they want to. I could grow grapes and make my own wine, why can't I grow a few cannabis plants? I don't see the difference.

The LPs, through the CMCIA are regularly meeting with HC and trying to make changes. As more LPs become licensed, the CMCIA will have a stronger voice. I am completely frustrated with HC. Why aren't they inspecting hopeful LPs? I know we have acted in good faith and assumed that HC would do the same. Now we are waiting for inspections. There are several of us that have jumped through every hoop that HC put up, and now we wait.........

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As long as the LP's continue to cave to HC, they ARE the bad guys. The LPs have become willing agents and partners with Health Canada and by agreeing to follow their every command without question, it is impossible to separate the two. Anyone heard of any great changes and fixes coming from the 'regular meetings' CMCIA is having with HC? Every mmj user has a well founded hate for HC, and now, by association, the LPs. How many LP hopefuls jumped up and down defending a patients right to grow their own? The LPs were working against us in the months leading up to the court challenge in an effort to maintain their monopoly.Go back and read some of the posts from Feb./Mar. I have no idea why any LP or wannabe would come on here looking for support, it's not likely to happen. When marijuana becomes legal for everyone to grow, I have no problem with anyone trying to create a successful business in the industry. My problem is with patients being forced customers and the LPs willingness and effort to keep that the reality.

VIANARCHRIS said:

As long as the LP's continue to cave to HC, they ARE the bad guys. The LPs have become willing agents and partners with Health Canada and by agreeing to follow their every command without question, it is impossible to separate the two. Anyone heard of any great changes and fixes coming from the 'regular meetings' CMCIA is having with HC? Every mmj user has a well founded hate for HC, and now, by association, the LPs. How many LP hopefuls jumped up and down defending a patients right to grow their own? The LPs were working against us in the months leading up to the court challenge in an effort to maintain their monopoly.Go back and read some of the posts from Feb./Mar. I have no idea why any LP or wannabe would come on here looking for support, it's not likely to happen. When marijuana becomes legal for everyone to grow, I have no problem with anyone trying to create a successful business in the industry. My problem is with patients being forced customers and the LPs willingness and effort to keep that the reality.

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So according to this stream of logic, if anyone disagrees with a law, they should just break it? Is anyone that drives the speed limit or stops at stop signs when there is not traffic "caving in"? To run any business, or to live in society requires us all to follow rules. It takes time to change them, but you are wrong when you say that "LPs were working against us". LPs are working very hard to ensure patients rights. I for one, believe that cannabis should be legalized for any adult to grow and consume. I have spoken with many current and hopeful Lps, and they all feel the same way. I don't know why you are trying to create conflict where none exists. We all want the same thing and we are all on the same team. We may use different methods but we are all trying to do the same thing.

I refuse to argue with some one that has 'selective reading skills'. I've stated my opinion and my reasons for it. I am not trying to create anything, I am simply reacting to it. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not backing down. Cheers!

How many LPs have donated to the coalition? None that I know of. LPs can say they support patients rights but their actions say otherwise. All these LPs jumped at the chance to be the sole suppliers to patients and never had a second thought about it. It's only after the constitutional challenge was raised that even a few LPs have said "oh we think patients should have the right to grow" yet they aren't supporting the fight in any way. As for the CMCIA they are just another fucking lobby group for the LPs, they don't give a fuck about patients rights, only being able to increase their profits.

LP's really have to quit whining about the system they support. The government NEEDS this to be successful and that's why you guys have the power to shape this new industry any fucking way you like....patients, not so much. Grow a pair!

I sense you LP's are starting to feel the squeeze. Well that's what happens when you get in bed with the devil you get burned. So go feel sorry for your selves at the CMCIA meeting. Lol

MarijeJane said:

Thank you for saying all of this. LPs are not the bad guys. They are being hurt as much as MMAR patients. I am an MMAR patient and a frustrated hopeful LP. The hate is misplaced. Health Canada, as part of the the conservative government, is screwing up both the MMAR and the MMPR. I do hope the courts work out some way for LPs to be able to grow, and for patients, actually anyone, to grow a few plants at home if they want to. I could grow grapes and make my own wine, why can't I grow a few cannabis plants? I don't see the difference.

The LPs, through the CMCIA are regularly meeting with HC and trying to make changes. As more LPs become licensed, the CMCIA will have a stronger voice. I am completely frustrated with HC. Why aren't they inspecting hopeful LPs? I know we have acted in good faith and assumed that HC would do the same. Now we are waiting for inspections. There are several of us that have jumped through every hoop that HC put up, and now we wait.........

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Seems your only convincing yourself madam. The rest of us have already formed our opinions of LP's. You best go back to nursing where you will actually have a job. Give up your LP dreams. Because at this point anyway I doubt it will happen for you. Just grow and be your own LP. I know, I know...you want to be legal. I understand that. I just think your pursuing this is a waste of your time for now. Maybe in the future it will be more of a viable business. But for now it's pretty fucked and your lucky they yanked the rug out from under you. They saved you tons of wasted money and grief IMO

I would have thought that LP business folks were of a smarter calibre. I guess greed clouds the thinking. Too funny to see the greedy fail. Live by greed....die by greed.

Karma's a bitch lol

Unfortunately marijejane i think you should listen to Hippy, with all this bullshit i doubt any more inspections are going to take place until things are figured out. I know you have low over head but its gotta be frustrating as shit just sitting there with your hands tied because some dicks dont want to take a drive and take a look at your operation.

Dont waste time, start speaking with lawyers and get them on the phone with HC. See what the fuck is going on because nobody else on the internet will give you a concrete answer.

Let us know what you find if you do speak to a lawyer. Id personally try and get something out of them for dog fucking this whole time. Let the shit hawks fly boys.

I even heard courts are holding up small possession cases because HC is a fuck show. Atleast 200+ cases canada wide on hold until conroy gets his day.

bigmanc said:

Unfortunately marijejane i think you should listen to Hippy, with all this bullshit i doubt any more inspections are going to take place until things are figured out. I know you have low over head but its gotta be frustrating as shit just sitting there with your hands tied because some dicks dont want to take a drive and take a look at your operation.

Dont waste time, start speaking with lawyers and get them on the phone with HC. See what the fuck is going on because nobody else on the internet will give you a concrete answer.

Let us know what you find if you do speak to a lawyer. Id personally try and get something out of them for dog fucking this whole time. Let the shit hawks fly boys.

I even heard courts are holding up small possession cases because HC is a fuck show. Atleast 200+ cases canada wide on hold until conroy gets his day.

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Thanks bigmanc, I truly appreciate your advice. We have actually gotten frustrated enough to start using our resources. We have met with our M.P., a conservative, and he has promised to work on this personally. Also got a big time Toronto Bay St lawyer working on it and a lobbyist with a background in national defense. Hopefully my shit hawks will get some movement from HC.

MarijeJane said:

Thanks bigmanc, I truly appreciate your advice. We have actually gotten frustrated enough to start using our resources. We have met with our M.P., a conservative, and he has promised to work on this personally. Also got a big time Toronto Bay St lawyer working on it and a lobbyist with a background in national defense. Hopefully my shit hawks will get some movement from HC.

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Good luck. As a patient that will no longer be able to grow their own, I hope to see some legitimate small LP's that can provide quality meds at a reasonable price. If and when some of you manage to get through the HC BS, I will save up for a Sykpe doc/prescription and sign myself up. Until then, I'm going to look at other options.

MarijeJane said:

Thanks bigmanc, I truly appreciate your advice. We have actually gotten frustrated enough to start using our resources. We have met with our M.P., a conservative, and he has promised to work on this personally. Also got a big time Toronto Bay St lawyer working on it and a lobbyist with a background in national defense. Hopefully my shit hawks will get some movement from HC.

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Good on ya! I hope the lawyer doesnt run ya too much, might aswell keep him on retainer going forward depending on results ofcourse. Make sure to keep us in the loop.

Im getting so tired of the government twisting and turning whats going on. Im personally waiting on the cross-appeal. If we cant grow anymore, il be hiring myself a lawyer to get me a section 56 exemption.

VIANARCHRIS said:

I refuse to argue with some one that has 'selective reading skills'. I've stated my opinion and my reasons for it. I am not trying to create anything, I am simply reacting to it. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not backing down. Cheers!

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Blind is all Mr...just blind and well...

involving a lawyer will just piss off HC, use the lobbyist but they only ask questions for $$ so get 2500 out and ready to get no were. 100k will have you pulled threw the system. sit and keep working with the gov or quit. it will not happen for small guys until feb and or rule changes. then build out ect, 2 yrs. just keep pushing forward

rnr said:

involving a lawyer will just piss off HC, use the lobbyist but they only ask questions for $$ so get 2500 out and ready to get no were. 100k will have you pulled threw the system. sit and keep working with the gov or quit. it will not happen for small guys until feb and or rule changes. then build out ect, 2 yrs. just keep pushing forward

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I would lean to believe that HC is very familiar with lawyers, 2500$ isnt shit...and she said hes from downtown. I would hate to find myself defending a LP but in marijejane's defence, if she has all her ducks in a row and theres nothing holding her back as per security and the regs that our outlined for LPs shes completely fine. Even though she stated she was on the small end she still stated she could produce upwards of 20 kilos a week (something around there, chime in marijejane) There was a LP i forgot the name of but someone on the forum copy/pasted a email from them stating they have 2.5lbs readily available daily and sell out in the AM. She has 5000sq ft for her flower room, witch is pretty serious. If i had that space i could easily fit 200x 1000w lights. Her numbers are on point and her harvest projections are reasonable.

I could only assume patients are purchasing a ounce a month, maybe 2 from a LP a month. Its quite expensive going the LP route.
If she does infact harvest the 20kilos i think she said, shes helping approx 700ish people a week, 2800ish monthly thats pending im not mistaken on the 20kilos weekly.

Thats not something that should be ignored, pushed off or mickey moused like HC handles things. Those 2800 possible patients are not small, in retrospect thats 5%+ of the whole MMAR system.

bigmanc said:

I would lean to believe that HC is very familiar with lawyers, 2500$ isnt shit...and she said hes from downtown. I would hate to find myself defending a LP but in marijejane's defence, if she has all her ducks in a row and theres nothing holding her back as per security and the regs that our outlined for LPs shes completely fine. Even though she stated she was on the small end she still stated she could produce upwards of 20 kilos a week (something around there, chime in marijejane) There was a LP i forgot the name of but someone on the forum copy/pasted a email from them stating they have 2.5lbs readily available daily and sell out in the AM. She has 5000sq ft for her flower room, witch is pretty serious. If i had that space i could easily fit 200x 1000w lights. Her numbers are on point and her harvest projections are reasonable.

I could only assume patients are purchasing a ounce a month, maybe 2 from a LP a month. Its quite expensive going the LP route.
If she does infact harvest the 20kilos i think she said, shes helping approx 700ish people a week, 2800ish monthly thats pending im not mistaken on the 20kilos weekly.

Thats not something that should be ignored, pushed off or mickey moused like HC handles things. Those 2800 possible patients are not small, in retrospect thats 5%+ of the whole MMAR system.

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Thank you bigmanc, you have very good memory and your figures are correct! I am frustrated with Health Canada. I am hoping my very expensive lawyer and my registered lobbyist will help us move forward. Also hoping my conservative MP can help move things along. I know I need to spend a bunch of money on my lobbyist, but I think in the long run it may be the best value.

Although my overhead is low, it still costs money to be sitting on a completely finished building, just waiting for HC to show up and do an inspection. I have no plants in the building, but as soon as it is inspected, I will have them in a couple of days. I do have an approved source for "starting materials".
It will take time to grow the clones or seeds, then veg, flower, dry, cure, test and ship, maybe 6 months. We will only register 500 clients initially, I will never run out of supply. My vault is large enough that I can hold quite a bit of cannabis in reserve.

I have a lot of my money invested in this and I have jumped through every hoop that HC has put up. This is a small operation, but we have the land to expand if needed.

There were only about 40 K of us patients in the MMAR but clinics across the country are pumping out "medical documents" by the hundreds each day. Many people with those documents are not signing up with an LP because some of them have had recalls, ran out of cannabis, only provided partial orders, provided inferior product, are not accepting patients, and many other problems. There needs to be more LPs, a wider variety of choice, constant supply availability in order for it to be "reasonable access".

fishy fishy fishy, whats holding up the new strains for 2 months?