Stealing electricity concerns...read all the other posts

Krondizzel

New Member
I have two views on this:

If you are willing to do the time for the crime, by all means. Go for it.

Stealing power? You're asking for it. Been at it for years? Even worse. If it sounds sketchy, it probably is.
 
This friend is one of the two people I trust as lifelong friends. When I was younger doing crazy escapades, we've exchanged hundreds of thousands, taken hits for each other, and never gave each other up when shit went down.

The only difference is now I split a couple years back and decided to go straight. I have a job that pays decent. The amount he is offering for these 2 months of babysit is above 20 grand.

It would really help with my school bills and car payment.
 
Basically when I was young, closer to 18 years old, high on testosterone I had no fear and was willing to do what it takes. I had nothing to lose.

Now that I'm older, it seems like all the stuff I built up would just instantly disappear.

I am tempted though. It would make my life alot easier if nothing happened considering I only have to sleep there and do 1 hour of work a day. I could work my normal job while doing it.
 

Shivaskunk

Well-Known Member
Get ready for severe paranoia. I ran a slightly larger grow with a buddy. Same set up. Couldn't fucking sleep sometimes from paranoia. Would go for hours long drives if a helicopter flew over...had to pay a power company rep in cash on doorstep of grow once because drunk partner never paid the.legit bill. I wouldn't ever steal power again...but 20K is a lot to some.
 

Fazer1rlg

Active Member
Pay for your own dont steal. Only bums steal, us growers are far from that so anyone putting a reputation like that on us well shame on them!
 

ArcticGranite

Well-Known Member
I gotta ask why steal it in the first place. I mean come on, the profit from a great harvest should easily cover electricity usage as an operating cost. It is ridiculously easy for a meterman to discover real usage vs. metered usage. All it takes is a reason for them to check, and the check is simple. I'll be sitting a legal grow here again shortly. Have no qualms about it. In your case, under those conditions, I'd pass.
 

tibberous

Well-Known Member
I think the point of stealing power is more to avoid detection from high power usage than to save money. At least it should be, if the power bill is an issue, your seriously fucking up somewhere - you can run a grow op off diesel and still stay well in the black.
 

connoisseurde420

Well-Known Member
real info not a trip on stealing. 12k isnt that much power. if you payed the bill in the us most places wouldnt care. With no smart meter they cant find you only narrow it down then they have to go to the individual houses depending on location and density of population it may go unoticed. I saw a bust for a warehouse thousands of plants and a shady electrical job was called out by 'the cable guy' lol boneheads were renting for 7+ years before getting caught!!!! BChydro estimates half its employees are helping steal power thats Canada tho.

sounds like your guy knows what hes doing. there is always risk this a game of calculated risk. 10k per month i would do it if i needed it.
 

welshsmoker

Well-Known Member
just had smart meters installed in my gaff, fucking grow stays well within the green low usage lamp. why steal?
 

guevera

Member
Wow, reading all this 'don't steal from the electric company, it's wrong' shit is making me want to puke. The power company is (usually) part of the oppressive and illegitimate crony-capitalist oligarchy. They are partly responsible for and among the powerful beneficiaries of the current economic, political and social power structures. I have not just a right, but arguably even an obligation to steal from that company wherever possible. Those that feel otherwise should stop growing herb, because ya'll are some sorry excuses for outlaws.
 

aknight3

Moderator
Wow, reading all this 'don't steal from the electric company, it's wrong' shit is making me want to puke. The power company is (usually) part of the oppressive and illegitimate crony-capitalist oligarchy. They are partly responsible for and among the powerful beneficiaries of the current economic, political and social power structures. I have not just a right, but arguably even an obligation to steal from that company wherever possible. Those that feel otherwise should stop growing herb, because ya'll are some sorry excuses for outlaws.
just because they are bad people doesnt mean you should steal off them, or anyone for that matter....two wrongs doesnt make a right
 

WeedFreak78

Well-Known Member
Run some heavy gauge extension cords to the neighbors houses and sell them electric at 75%-think of the coin you'd make. Your already breaking the law so why not...if someone starts looking around be ready to cap em and dig a hole..it's only murder...well worth the high profit margin.

But really...I love money...20 large isn't worth the risk of taking the fall for someone
 

mattoak

Well-Known Member
If you are stealing electricity, the power company doesn't know where exactly it is being taken (which residence), but can't they add up the power usage from all the houses and realize there is a difference per each transformer? Wouldn't that be enough of a ocncern to track it down? Or is the argument that if its a relatively small amount they won't care much?
 

llebz0rs

Member
If you are stealing electricity, the power company doesn't know where exactly it is being taken (which residence), but can't they add up the power usage from all the houses and realize there is a difference per each transformer? Wouldn't that be enough of a ocncern to track it down? Or is the argument that if its a relatively small amount they won't care much?
There are so many way the POCO can find out if your stealing electricity. This is the most accurate way. Each transformer has a meter and is on a grid system. Each meter sends back the info back to the POCO for usage. The way they detect leakage is when the math does not add up between meters. I am going to break it down in simple math so its not so confusing. So for example A transformer to B transformer usages is 10. The POCO is only getting paid on only 4 instead of 10. The POCO now knows there is leakage in between. Between each transformer powers a certain amount of houses, the newer your home the least amount of houses in between. In the Los Angeles Metro and Suburb area I noticed that houses built between 1910 - 1970 have anywhere from 40 to 75 houses per transformer. This was done because energy usage was not heavy during those years and the houses are a lot smaller. If I travel out of LA about 45 minutes the newer houses and newer cities which cater to larger houses have anywhere from 10 to 30 per transformer. Now we wonder how do they detect usage between those houses when there is leakage. It's very simple and almost sad. They go out and measure amperage usage on the power lines between transformers. Each line that goes from transformer to transformer has to have splitters in between to power houses. They basically will measure each one of those lines for amperage usage. This is the reason it takes the POCO anywhere from a few months to a few years to catch power thieves. The reason so many people are getting away with stealing electricity is because the POCO does not have enough employees to go out and check the usage. They know who is stealing electricity but the man power and wages to check those lines will be higher than the electricity stolen. Enter the smart meter. Since the smart meters now are able to transmit signal back and fourth, reading amperage on your line is a thing of the pass. Each smart meter is able to read how much amperage is being used vs. how much is being paid for. A perfect example of this is in Canada. They started implementing smart meters a few years before the USA did and there meters and software are working close to 100%. This is bad news for everyone in Canada and soon to be USA. This means, whether you pay for electricity or steal electricity they will know how much is being used. Here is an article in 2010 from BC Hydro.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2010/08/09/Smart-Meters-Nip-Illegal-Practice-Bud

Many activist in Canada and growers already know that once all meters hit 100% it will make detection easy for theft and regular growers. Here is an article where people activist in Canada are already moving grows back outdoors.

http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/story.html?id=e9a722da-e9be-43c4-baca-30328ab0c8b0

The other countries in the world with high energy theft usage have smart meter technology at 100% and it sounds pretty scary how much the POCO invades your privacy. They will be able to tell what you are using your energy for inside your home. The POCO tells you that the reason they are doing this is to help you save money, but why would they do that. By them having customers save money it essentially makes them make less money. This below article shows you also how they are setting up sensor on lines to check how much amperage is being used so in the future they can detect theft instantly. Awesense a Vancouver based company is taking this approach using SenseNET.

http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/04/energy-theft-goes-global?quicktabs_4=1

Anyways to all you growers out there stay LEGAL.
 
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