Strange Problems With My Plant. Please Help

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

Ok so i have three plants which are 3 weeks old from tomorrow and all under 2 blue spectrum cfl's and i use lime water, which is 2 t spoons of lime juice to 2 liters. (this grow is on a tight budget, but i have most essentials) now recently over the past week i have been noticing strange things occuring with my plants :finger:

so the thing i want you to have a look at is

so as you can see on the first picture there is yellowing from the edge of the leaves toward the center (this began today) and on the second picture/plant the end of the leaf is curled, this is the same all round on this plant. Then on the last picture there is a hole in the plant... i dont think this is a bug problem because i haven't seen any at all but im unsure. Lastly i have notice some yellow dots on the leaves which are surrounded by dark dark green to that area of the leaves :-(

please help

MrGhettoGrower · Jun 15, 2011

Nice pic's bongsmilie

What are you growing in dirt :eyesmoke:

Have you feed'em any nutrients yet :lol:

Cuz I'm thinking that they look like they need to be feed ;-)

Are you equip with ph & ppm meter their very handy to know what & how much your feeding :-P

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

MrGhettoGrower said:
Nice pic'sWhat are you growing in dirtHave you feed'em any nutrients yetCuz I'm thinking that they look like they need to be feedAre you equip with ph & ppm meter their very handy to know what & how much your feeding

thanks, and im growing in miracle grow compost. Haven't started nutes and i have a ph reader but i think it's broken, as it only seems to read 7.8 and my water going in is about 6.5 and so is the run off. (i have a liquid ph kit as well)

MrGhettoGrower · Jun 15, 2011

What is Miracle gro compost? Is that the MG Organic?

Kingrow1 · Jun 15, 2011

Looks like pH, stress and possibly nutes but depends how big those pots are and how long the plant has been in the soil. Miracle grow can be tricky for the nutes, at least you can be sure it isn't too much nutes at this stage. Cal/mag yet?

Why the lime juice? Ph reasons?

303 · Jun 15, 2011

Conorfarmer said:
yeah sorry

Another victim of Miracle Grow. That soil is finicky because it already is packed with nutrients, pic 1 looks N def, but the rest of the photos don't look bad, pic 2 looks like a little cal def (hard water), pic 3 you probably bent over and tore the leaf, unless you got something chewing on it.. Also why are you using Lime Juice? Are you trying to PH down your water?? Whats your 'ph reader'? Is this a soil meter, has 2 probes your dig in the soil?

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

last grow i had Ph issues and the plant died, noticed the same issue this grow and started using lime juice which seemed to sort it out. Should i keep using or go back to normal water? the stress could be because these plants are lst but un sure. And the run off of my plants is about 6.5 - 7

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

303 said:
Another victim of Miracle Grow. That soil is finicky because it already is packed with nutrients, pic 1 looks N def, but the rest of the photos don't look bad, pic 2 looks like a little cal def (hard water), pic 3 you probably bent over and tore the leaf, unless you got something chewing on it.. Also why are you using Lime Juice? Are you trying to PH down your water?? Whats your 'ph reader'? Is this a soil meter, has 2 probes your dig in the soil?

yes 2 probes in soil

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

as there was so many questions i thought i should upload a few more pictures of the whole plants. One is indica i think and 2 sativa. Hope this helps. Also should i stop using lime juice, i was told i should use it when i had yellowing leaves at the bottom of my plant.

303 · Jun 15, 2011

Conorfarmer said:
last grow i had Ph issues and the plant died, noticed the same issue this grow and started using lime juice which seemed to sort it out. Should i keep using or go back to normal water? the stress could be because these plants are lst but un sure. And the run off of my plants is about 6.5 - 7

Go to the store and get yourself ph down, its $8. Don't use lime juice, those ph probe things aren't accurate, get yourself a ph pen off ebay, they're less than $20 and you'll get some real readings. Not sure why runoff is tested by soil growers..? I wouldn't worry whats coming out I'd worry what's going in. I only use soil for my mom's and my ph is more like 6.0-6.3, ph'd down with Ph down. LST should only cause, 'low stress', shouldn't be your issue. For less than $30 you can get the right shit you need.

303 · Jun 15, 2011

Conorfarmer said:
as there was so many questions i thought i should upload a few more pictures of the whole plants. One is indica i think and 2 sativa. Hope this helps. Also should i stop using lime juice, i was told i should use it when i had yellowing leaves at the bottom of my plant.

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Yellowing leaves at the bottom of the plant? Whoever thinks they know how to grow is giving you bad advice. At the bottom of the plant yellowing occurs naturally, they'll die and fall off. As long as top growth remains healthy and its only the fan leaves at the bottom your absolutely ok. BTW I can't see the attachments, anyone else having problems viewing his pics above? I can see first post.

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

ill try sort out the pictures for you, and ok well that makes me feel much better about my plants, and im going to buy some tomato food in terms of nutes for my plants and i had a look for those Ph pens you were talking about... but i can only find one for swimming pools and fish tanks, is that right?

Conorfarmer · Jun 15, 2011

think i just sorted the pic's tell me what you think (if they work for you now)

303 · Jun 15, 2011

Conorfarmer said:
ill try sort out the pictures for you, and ok well that makes me feel much better about my plants, and im going to buy some tomato food in terms of nutes for my plants and i had a look for those Ph pens you were talking about... but i can only find one for swimming pools and fish tanks, is that right?

Like this.. buy from a us seller, that jap crap doesn't last.. http://cgi.ebay.com/pH-009-IA-Pen-Type-pH-Meter-Digital-Tester-ph600-Hydro-/130495047625?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e621c67c9

Conorfarmer said:
think i just sorted the pic's tell me what you think (if they work for you now)

I think you'll be just fine, they're a little pale but they'll be ok. Looks like she could use a bit of nitrogen, or the mg's got it locked out.. This is the problem growing in soil, you have no idea what ppm or ec your plants are at. You know honestly I'd just replant them in larger containers with better soil if it were me, looks like you already starting LST though so IDK...?

feelingreen · Jun 15, 2011

you said you had a liquid pH test kit as well, though, right, and that's the one getting those 6.5-7.0 readings? I'm growing in the same soil and recently had the same issues. There's no need to add lime juice to the water, it just adds acidity and MG Organic already has a bunch of acidity from the peat moss. Instead of lime juice, think, perhaps, dolomite lime.

The pH of straight lime juice is 3.0 at max, by the way, whereas adding something like dolomite lime buffers acidity and is alkaline.

If you don't have any more spotting/yellowing of the margins, I wouldn't worry, but you don't want to let your soil get too acidic in the first place, or it could get an acid fixation and constantly shift towards a low pH. Soil should be the natural, reliable choice for growing, but it seems like manufacturers and such overdo it these days - like one of my teachers used to tell us, "keep it simple, stupid."

highbudtoker · Jun 15, 2011

will a spotlight outside by my plant effect it at night during flower

303 · Jun 15, 2011

highbudtoker said:
will a spotlight outside by my plant effect it at night during flower

like a flood light?

Kingrow1 · Jun 15, 2011

303 said:
Yellowing leaves at the bottom of the plant? Whoever thinks they know how to grow is giving you bad advice. At the bottom of the plant yellowing occurs naturally, they'll die and fall off. As long as top growth remains healthy and its only the fan leaves at the bottom your absolutely ok. BTW I can't see the attachments, anyone else having problems viewing his pics above? I can see first post.

Whos giving bad advice?

Some more details please, miracle grow soil, i have like 5 varieties in my local shop, is it the peat based one? If so i would start using garden/dolomite lime to keep a constant pH or more buffered one.

If you apply nutes as suggested and it dosen't work then you know the pH is outa whack. Yer a couple of bottom leaves look nitrogen deficient and possibly mag deficient as well. If you think having a deficiency on the fan leaves in veg is normal then hey i don't know who is giving the bad advice.

Sorry if i sound snappy but yellow leaves is not common in veg no matter what! Nitrogen deficiency is but only if the plant dosen't have enough ferts. N def is normally the first to show and quite common to have mag problems depending if you are in a hard water or soft water area.

To simply say n deficiency without other considerations would be foolish, peat will give you every deficiency under the sun if you let it and i personally would advise a repot not ferts at this stage, chance to ammend the soil if it dose need lime.

stinker · Jun 15, 2011

I've never liked miracle grow for pot plants. I think it's alright for vegtables. Too many variables when you want to add your own nutrients. Also yellowing can be caused by poor drainage. Good luck.

feelingreen · Jun 16, 2011

Kingrow1 said:
Whos giving bad advice?

Some more details please, miracle grow soil, i have like 5 varieties in my local shop, is it the peat based one? If so i would start using garden/dolomite lime to keep a constant pH or more buffered one.

If you apply nutes as suggested and it dosen't work then you know the pH is outa whack. Yer a couple of bottom leaves look nitrogen deficient and possibly mag deficient as well. If you think having a deficiency on the fan leaves in veg is normal then hey i don't know who is giving the bad advice.

Sorry if i sound snappy but yellow leaves is not common in veg no matter what! Nitrogen deficiency is but only if the plant dosen't have enough ferts. N def is normally the first to show and quite common to have mag problems depending if you are in a hard water or soft water area.

To simply say n deficiency without other considerations would be foolish, peat will give you every deficiency under the sun if you let it and i personally would advise a repot not ferts at this stage, chance to ammend the soil if it dose need lime.

He specified it as MG Organic after someone asked after his first post, so yeah, I'd guess peat issues, too. :eyesmoke:

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