Synthetic MDMA

From what I understand is people are just seeing other plants that produce safrole as alternatives to the common sassafras being associated with safrole. Most alternatives I find are just other plants that also produce safrole not a precursor that is void of safrole.

Parkinsons? Tiny turtle... The study your refering to was later admitted to have been preformed with injected methamphetamine, not MDMA. These two chemicals, though similar in structure, act in totally different ways.

There are many synthetic pathways to MDMA. You can start from allylcatechol, which can be thermally rearanged to make 3,4hydroxy 1-prop-2-ene benzene (I've never been good naming more complex molecules, this is saffrole without the CH2 bridge between the oxygens. Then you make a mixture of basic water and a dihalomethane and drop your almost safrole in slowly /w vigorous stirring. The base deprotonates the -OH groups, the -O anions then perform sN2 reactions on the CH2X2 forming the methylene dioxy ring, giving you safrole. Now perform a wacker oxidation to get the ketone and reductively amminate with MeNH2 and you have MDMA. There are a few variants of this synth, and several other round about synths that obviate the need for saffrole. Best of all none of the reagents used in this synth are watched (the allylcatechol might be but it can be made easily from allylnucleophile and catechol, or by brominating the catechol and reacting it with allybromide.

That is perfect, now I just need some rigorous study to expand my knowledge of chemistry so that I am at a level where I'd be able to have figured that out. This post was just out of curiosity from what I heard from a chemist that has much more experience.

MrEDuck said:

There are many synthetic pathways to MDMA. You can start from allylcatechol, which can be thermally rearanged to make 3,4hydroxy 1-prop-2-ene benzene (I've never been good naming more complex molecules, this is saffrole without the CH2 bridge between the oxygens. Then you make a mixture of basic water and a dihalomethane and drop your almost safrole in slowly /w vigorous stirring. The base deprotonates the -OH groups, the -O anions then perform sN2 reactions on the CH2X2 forming the methylene dioxy ring, giving you safrole. Now perform a wacker oxidation to get the ketone and reductively amminate with MeNH2 and you have MDMA. There are a few variants of this synth, and several other round about synths that obviate the need for saffrole. Best of all none of the reagents used in this synth are watched (the allylcatechol might be but it can be made easily from allylnucleophile and catechol, or by brominating the catechol and reacting it with allybromide.

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tinyTURTLE said:

i'm talking about mdma.
and the fact that it is bad for your brain.
if you only have a yes or no question (your op is a yes or no question), maybe use google to find your answer.
otherwise, i'll say what i want.
methelene dioxy methamphetamine.
that's what MDMA is.
i don't mind being called ignorant by those who are themseves ignorant as well too obstinate to see the simple truth.

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Saying you understand chemistry is so not true! 1 molecule change in the chemical structure changes the compound entirely from physical properties to effects it has on humans!

Oh, there is a side effect of mdma. Ever since I took it I get this.... massive grin all the time Whenever I smile I can`t stop smiling either!! I can bring myself upper and upper

It shows us something so valuable, so precious! That mood it provides, the empathy, the love.... It "crafts" the way we feel, finely... Like a statue maker carves the rock into a statue Psychedelics destroy our ego and false reality while mdma loads our minds with happiness and empathy! Its almost necessary!

We compliment people, tell them they are great, appreciate our friends... Now it depends on how you see it, an unreal drug induced state of mind? Or how thankfull and happy we should ALWAYS be?

/rant

haha I love you Tenner ^_^ The only horrible part of ecstasy is all the poorly crafted non-MDMA being spread out there. MDMA has very powerful uses in personal happiness and I use it as couples counseling with my wife once a year.

tinyTURTLE said:

MDMA = meth.
fuck that stupid shit.

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i will agree MDMA is methy. some people like a little extra serotonin with their meth....

i wouldnt go as far to say that it is stupuid or pointless... it has it time and place and it cna be an amazing drug. personally me and mdma are no longer friends because of the tweaky aspects MDMA still has ( jaw clenching) hate that shit so much.

synthetic molly? no i havent heard of such thing. maybe a diffrent drug that can do some of the same aspects as mdma possibly?

I love you too man!! ^_*

I`m well aware of this but theres a saying which is something like "Whoever loves the rose must endure its thorns" True for any drug! I view mdma as one of the most harmful thing I will ingest when things like meth is out the book, but its just SO worth it! People do some dangerous stuff like ride motor bikes, climb mountains, cave diving, para gliding, drink driving, fighting, boxing, cage fighting..... Goes on forever but the point remains

Taking high doses of drugs seems more introspective, more for the persons themself. Taking lots of mdma is more eyes closed feeling great than anything external (other than music). There can only be a blanket of love so thick, add too much thickness and it tends towards being unrealistic

And synthetic molly should be fine as long as it has the same chemical formula right? I hope its possible!! It would make mdma more readily available and stop the destruction of the mdma tree, sasaffras is it?

All MDMA is synthetic, you cannot find naturally occurring MDMA. I was asking other ways of synthesizing it without procuring Safrole and I got a good response.

it can also be made from pippernol (spelling?) its the essential oil in pepper. while not as efficient at safrole it isnt as watched and i believe it is the next best route.

and saffron to mdma??? you are very mistaken.

there is ALOT of misinformation on this thread, just because it has "methamphetamine" in the title dose not make it the same as meth.........

Vanillin, piperonal, safrole, eugenol, all can be made into MD(M)A through various routes.

Its like a cooking recipe, just find it.

Oh yeah.

[video=youtube;t-4L5vRZ_g8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-4L5vRZ_g8&feature=player_embedded[/video]

It doesnt even have methamphetamine in the title. It has MDMA which is obviously a different chemical than meth. And who ever said mdma is stupid, obviously hasnt tried the good stuff yet...

tinyTURTLE said:

MDMA = meth.
fuck that stupid shit.

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You are right. MDMA will put holes in your brain, it lodges in your spine for years and years and it makes you drink too much water all the time. And besides, it isn't natural.

"MDMA will put holes in your brain, it lodges in your spine for years and years and makes you drink too much water all the time" None of that is true and is stupid. The spine shit is an urban legend from people not able to interpret a study from the early 90's, "holes" in your brain is also completely untrue, "makes" you drink water all the time. "it isn't natural" that's retarded, what does that have to do with anything? Stay out of my thread with your nonsense and add real information even if you disagree with the use, don't spread lies and hate.

MasterS said:

"MDMA will put holes in your brain, it lodges in your spine for years and years and makes you drink too much water all the time" None of that is true and is stupid. The spine shit is an urban legend from people not able to interpret a study from the early 90's, "holes" in your brain is also completely untrue, "makes" you drink water all the time. "it isn't natural" that's retarded, what does that have to do with anything? Stay out of my thread with your nonsense and add real information even if you disagree with the use, don't spread lies and hate.

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Canndo was being sarcastic, im pretty sure. He's an intelligent member of our forum. you just dont get him yet.

drink to much water all the time, hahahahahahaha

>.< if so I'm sorry Canndo, I don't have enough forum experience yet haha

i drink a shitload of water already so i would be screwed. H2os easily my favorite drink of all time.

MasterS said:

>.< if so I'm sorry Canndo, I don't have enough forum experience yet haha

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I reacted to him like that but then he said something like he did actually have holes in his brain and could hear the air whistling in them when he rode his motorbike Canndo`s full of good information but it is necessary to drop a few on his sarcastic post so nobody picks it up for real hehehe

I`d fucking love some Molly right now, I wouldn`t even bomb it, just lick it all up Yummy yummy!!

I`m not allowed it just yet though 4 times in 4 months is way too much but I guess I just go a little crazy on new discoveries hehehe

I think MDA is damn cool too, literally had waking dream/astral projection sort of things on that stuff. Its visuals kicked the ass of a tab of cid. Though can`t really compare phenethlyamine and tryptamine visuals, they are just different I`m not sure if some 2C`s were added into the "mdma" though but the dealer had 2cb, 2ce and 2ci too First time on mdma home alone wtf would I know A common pattern that night was "rivers of colour" with plenty of detail, not just a plain colour "flowing" through the darkness of my eyes and these "rivers" had 2 eyes on the tips making them into snakes etc, it was great! So enjoyable with the euphoria of the compound too Sidenote though, I smoked half an 1/8th of skunk that night too and didn`t have much tolerance

If that was MDA I`m all in for that stuff though, wonders!