THC/SCHIZOPHRENIA relations

I'm from the midwest where the weed is not so great, but visited my buddy in Cali and we picked up some nice sativas at the dispensary (bc good sativa is hard to come by around here). This was the most potent weed I had ever smoked...one and done. Of course I didn't stop and we smoked for hours. I became EXTREMELY paranoid and had some weird shit going on.

If people with previous chemical imbalances were to do this, I could definitely see them getting crazy ideas in their head. Schizophrenia? Most definitely.
I have had some extremely crazy experiences smoking weed where I felt stuck i repetition, thought I had gone crazy and it would be like that forever. Although admittedly both times it has happened was about a week after a strong psychedelic experience and is always triggered smoking at the same friend's house.

I am bipolar and sativas put me in a place that was close to how I felt when I was manic, and it felt great when I was manic! Its nice because I get to feel crazy and creative but then it wears off and doesn't ruin my life.

I also went through a period of depression where I was smoking a lot of schwag, I don't believe it was the cause but I believe if the weed had been medicinal grade it wouldn't have kept me in the hole to the same degree.

anecdotal food for thought.

" are you guys talkin about me ??"

eza82 said:

" are you guys talkin about me ??"

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I dont think so. I wanted to see if anvel wanted to copy and paste another essay to this thread from someone else. His paraphrasing is consistent with various websites. I actually gave you some credit for your rediculously long post. I am pretty drunk and behaving in a silly manor but wish i could give you, anvel, a hum dinger in person.

i am sorry rock steady but i am a 22 year old male who receives social security. first off, i hope you dont burn in hell for those bullshit claims; 10% of people are real cases 90% are fake. well fuck you dude. i know countless people of all ages who go through hell to get social security because of how strict the system is. its not "just sit back and collect" its,"hey i get $700 a month, i am going to have to live on this amount of money for the rest of my life because of an injury at work/military/disability." not being able to support yourself because of some disability sucks, i've met thousands of people who rely on social security to live, try living on a couple hundred dollars a month and food stamps and then maybe you'd understand its definitely NOT a privilege.

clasonde said:

i am sorry rock steady but i am a 22 year old male who receives social security. first off, i hope you dont burn in hell for those bullshit claims; 10% of people are real cases 90% are fake. well fuck you dude. i know countless people of all ages who go through hell to get social security because of how strict the system is. its not "just sit back and collect" its,"hey i get $700 a month, i am going to have to live on this amount of money for the rest of my life because of an injury at work/military/disability." not being able to support yourself because of some disability sucks, i've met thousands of people who rely on social security to live, try living on a couple hundred dollars a month and food stamps and then maybe you'd understand its definitely NOT a privilege.

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Hello there C.... Not apologising to this post. Good to read another immature post from you. Sadly i am an agnostic so hell means sweet F..! Do you know why it's so hard for you to get SS? Because of all the people screwing your system... I dont need to use profanities in this instance as if you actually read my posts you would undertand that i actually support genuine medical users. I would happily give medical users 5 times what the government does, as they deserve it, if it wasnt for the dipshit hypochondriacs that ruin it for others. Plenty of disabled people out there working too! Whats your issue, not to be rude? By the way i know countless people who have all sorts of issues who actually work for a living and dont live of us. People who are not medicating themselves.....

Another ass hat.

All you stated was your opinion.

If it was up to people like you, I would be living homeless, starving and psychotic and would probably die if I were alone in the city. You clearly have no clue what that $700 dollars a month means to me or to other disabled people. 700/month! I get a place to live and food and medication.(psych pills only) Thats it. The only thing I really like about it is that I can be a full time gardener and can pursue different hobbies. Its theraputic.

Before I used to make $500/wk doing heavy construction. Got diagnosed and was put on disability almost 4 years ago. I turn 31 next month. I dont live the quality of life I did before my life was forever changed but its something new, Im a completely different person and I do different things and I like it. So who knows, Ill probably go back to school and finish my education. Its been years since Ive been. Or maby masonry again, good money and I love the hard work.

i do want to apologize rocksteady6, after posting I realized I came off very hostile and a little over the top. Your right, I didn't read any post-posts(?) and completely neglected what else you said; basically saw the post on the first page and hit reply. The disabilities I suffer from are: PTSD, Social Anxiety, Bi-Polar I, Schizo-affective disorder, and partial insomnia. Luckily with the "cycle of life", marijuana has helped me 100%.

to anhedonia:
i know exactly what you mean, its shocking once you realize the change of pace and lifestyle moves. glad your thinking about going back to school, i am currently pursuing my bachelor's in the foundations of business and the performing arts.

rocksteady6 said:

I think this site is full of wankers who know very little on various topics and want to criticise instead of offering help. I dont want to criticise your opinion but i it may interest you to visit the local psych ward and have a chat with their patients and discover how they came to be there. As you will see in my past posts i dont give advice on growing as i dont know about it. I know about this. Not all patients i agree but a lot. We dont need studies to confirm something thats completely obvious. Do we do studies on whether getting hit by a car causes injuries?

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I am going to weigh in on this and say, I have to agree with Rock a little... My dad is a retired psychiatrist and he worked in a mental institution for 20 years, I could tell you some stories thats for sure... The THC v's CDB arguement should be researched a lot more before a standard educated opinion can be formed, Schizophrenia has so many different levels and different people show different symptoms, its amazing to think how quickly we can pigeon hole patients into these groups... Marijuana affects the brain and perception, plain and simple.. For schizophrenic patients it can be an absolute nightmate but this is really the first time, I've heard anyone break down the two different types of highs...

Very interesting and food for thought... We also have to remember that Schizophrenia as far as we know is hereditary... This brings into the equation whether THC can cause it... More research is needed...

I've seen Alcohol do some pretty fucked up things to people. And at my dads hospital there is no ward out there for Marijuana abusers but there's fucking three for alcohol abusers...Why? Do the math...

I've been smoking indoor weed everyday for nearly 20 years, I don't feel any ill affects honestly except for a little short term memory loss...I am switching to a vaporizer as I am more concerned about carcinogenics and cancer than Schizophrenia...

Lets mention how some people have a greater tolerance to drugs than others? These are natural phenomena that occur in nature, I've got a friend who smokes my weed and it doesn't affect her, it offends the shit out of me, but give her one drink of alcohol and she becomes a blithering idiot... Different strokes for different folkes...

There isn't a right answer yet, cause we haven't asked all the questions....

anhedonia said:

Another ass hat.

All you stated was your opinion.

If it was up to people like you, I would be living homeless, starving and psychotic and would probably die if I were alone in the city. You clearly have no clue what that $700 dollars a month means to me or to other disabled people. 700/month! I get a place to live and food and medication.(psych pills only) Thats it. The only thing I really like about it is that I can be a full time gardener and can pursue different hobbies. Its theraputic.

Before I used to make $500/wk doing heavy construction. Got diagnosed and was put on disability almost 4 years ago. I turn 31 next month. I dont live the quality of life I did before my life was forever changed but its something new, Im a completely different person and I do different things and I like it. So who knows, Ill probably go back to school and finish my education. Its been years since Ive been. Or maby masonry again, good money and I love the hard work.

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What's an ass hat? I might use that one. Listen anhedonia i support medical users but have my reservations about medicating cetain conditions with weed. Why dont you go and read the whole thread and get back to me. Even just the post above yours. There is actually very little about the brain which is fact so opinions is all we can have. Apologies if i make you mad.

I think this is too much like the people who got "marijuana is the gateway drug" nonsense started. Some people have mental conditions already and have no business doing ANYTHING including cigarettes, alcohol or chocolate for that matter, it could be anything that sets a mental person off. I apologize for being so simplistic and please don't take offense, I am just trying to point out that some people can go entire lives and not have any ISSUES with the way they are and the way the process info and emotions until they abuse any kind of drug. Weed by nature already can make someone with no tolerance paranoid so this is to be expected not a big surprise at all and shouldn't need studies as its something that cant really be proven. For one someone with paranoid feelings could be that way because they have done a lot of fucked up things in their lives and the paranoia is actually just guilt. The only link I see here is that weed can make you paranoid but that dont mean it makes you schitzo these people are already that way from things that happen in life and the way the feel about it. Weed just intensifies things and some people have no business smoking it. Other people are the same way with alcohol

super2200 said:

I think this is too much like the people who got "marijuana is the gateway drug" nonsense started. Some people have mental conditions already and have no business doing ANYTHING including cigarettes, alcohol or chocolate for that matter, it could be anything that sets a mental person off. I apologize for being so simplistic and please don't take offense, I am just trying to point out that some people can go entire lives and not have any ISSUES with the way they are and the way the process info and emotions until they abuse any kind of drug. Weed by nature already can make someone with no tolerance paranoid so this is to be expected not a big surprise at all and shouldn't need studies as its something that cant really be proven. For one someone with paranoid feelings could be that way because they have done a lot of fucked up things in their lives and the paranoia is actually just guilt. The only link I see here is that weed can make you paranoid but that dont mean it makes you schitzo these people are already that way from things that happen in life and the way the feel about it. Weed just intensifies things and some people have no business smoking it. Other people are the same way with alcohol

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Allot of truth, to these words.

Some, always want to put the blame, were it DOES NOT belong.

Self responsibility and a true understanding of the growing and harvesting of this Fruit Tree, will limit the feelings, that are sometimes associated with first time or occasional users.

This Tree, will enhance ones feelings for sure and for those with high I.Q., they will definately have to seperate their dellusions from reality and understand how these Trees will effect them, on a personnel basis.

Once again, correct harvesting of these Trees, will prevent most symptoms of Paranoia and disassociation ect.

Blessings my friend,

Rev. TheNatural

Just stumbled upon an recent article referring to psychosis and thc/lack of cbd. Doesn't say much more than what has already been said here, but thought I'd post it anyways...
It’s lack of balance that makes skunk cannabis do harm

bigbird87 said:

Just stumbled upon an recent article referring to psychosis and thc/lack of cbd. Doesn't say much more than what has already been said here, but thought I'd post it anyways...
It’s lack of balance that makes skunk cannabis do harm

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EXACTLY! My friend.

Those of us that have awakened to a deeper knowledge of these Trees, have got to take the responsibility to educate " those that will actually listen " on how to properly take care of these Trees and properly Breed them also.

Amsterdam Strains are too imbred and too much emphasis has been put on T.H.C. and that is due to the lack of knowledge that is being freely shared, like so many other things in life.

A child can hear and understand truth and there are allot of deeper things to understand concerning this Tree and proper Harvesting and Breeding are one of the most important for sure.

Nature creates balance and man tries to make it better and it usually starts to fall on its nose after a while.....genetically....Hmmm?

It is all about " Proper " education and then everyone can benefit from this Fruit Tree and enjoy their first and every experiance that they have with it.

Nice Info.

Be Blessed,

Rev. TheNatural

rocksteady6 said:

I dont think so. I wanted to see if anvel wanted to copy and paste another essay to this thread from someone else. His paraphrasing is consistent with various websites. I actually gave you some credit for your rediculously long post. I am pretty drunk and behaving in a silly manor but wish i could give you, anvel, a hum dinger in person.

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Rockfuckhead, you are an idiot who just says the first thing that comes into your mind without filtering, knowledge, logic or facts. All of my postings are my own. If you can't follow it or get bored, it's because you can't put in the intellect or the effort.

Warning, we're about to use logic here, get ready rockfuckhead. This isn't about your, "I just think it's true, therefore it must be because I'm rockfuckhead who knows everything without recourse to research or scientific literature" approach. Let me summarize it for your pea brain:

Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

Iverson, Leslie.“Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy.“Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.

"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.
Andreasson, S. et al.“Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

Now do you get it, Rockfuckhead?

Rockfuckhead gets what you are saying but i dont agree with you. It seems you are the one that is struggling to deal with that. Now that we have insulted each other maybe we can move on. You are obviously very intelligent and well resourced but as i have said previously how can you make such definate statements about neurological disorders when we know so little about the brain. Yes some of my past posts were drunken dribble, and someone of your intellect doesnt need to bother responding to that but dont keep quoting various people or books who support your arguement as there are many out there that would say that its not correct. It seems that this thread is full of claims of genetics being a major cause, which is of course true, but maybe, just maybe someone may have lived their entire life and not show any signs of their illness developing should they not have smoked copious amounts of green. I do like your responses by the way.

I said before i have learned from you so maybe have a read of this link and tell me that you are definate about what you say.
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/002684.html

I dont agree with what he says about heroin by the way. But you get my jist.

I dont know much about CBD, maybe somebody out there can educate me...

Are there reliable for testing CBD & THC content out there?

How can you increase a plants CBD? Is it all genetic? What types of strains have higher CBD contents?

Where is inval? Rockfuckhead wants to hear what he has to say. I didnt really get what you were quoting at the end of your last post with the various authors and books. Sorry i read it again and must have missed it the first time .

study's have proven that the consumption of mj can in fact aggravate the symptoms of SCHIZOPHRENIA in some cases but only in people that have it or are in risk of developing it.
probably do to the fact that mj can make you a bit paranoid but as state above people with mental problems should not take any kind of drugs or alcohol.

everything that messes with the chemical balance of the brain or body will have secondary effects that may or may not trigger some disease. those effects depend on the person and those effects cannot be generalized.

bigbird87 said:

I dont know much about CBD, maybe somebody out there can educate me...

Are there reliable for testing CBD & THC content out there?

How can you increase a plants CBD? Is it all genetic? What types of strains have higher CBD contents?

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The easiest way to increase the CBD in any Cannabis, is too let it get Ripe, " Trichomes need to be Amber. "

Indica Cannabis, will have typically more possibility for higher CBN content, than Sativa, however, Sativa Genetics will give you a happy and euphoric/energetic high and especially when grown with extra UV lights in order to supply what sativas would naturally get on the equator and that is more intense UV.

Original Landrace Strains had their natural balance from nature and as usuall, " man has to try and make it better and does not. "

Oh yes, captive breeding has increased certain genetic immunities in these Trees as too as usuall, " help conveniance man, " but they sure are not as good or as powerful as good landrace Cannabis, that has been bred appropriately and given the spectrums " especially UV that is needed for optimal performance and medicinal quality. "

Yes, it sounds very impressive to hear things like " resistance to everything this Strain, with a 25% T.H.C. rating, ect. ect. and short flowering ect. ect.

However, learning these Trees and going the extra mile would have just as easily, kept the pure Strains going, but man is LAZY and wants to be convenianced, so he changes things and it all sounds good for a while and all seems to work out, until of course, it does not.

Now, I am seeing more and more strains, taking as long to flower as they would have if they were still pure in their original genetics from nature.

Why, the last few Satva Hybrids from Holland that I ordered, took 17 to 18 weeks to get not even all the way Amber.

So now the conveniance is slipping away and in the end, we will be stuck with a bunch of man made genetics that are no longer conveniant as they are just as prone to take long as anything in the wild ect. ect.

So what has been really accomplished and anyone with even a little common sense, should know exactly what I mean.

If my Super Silver Haze " just example " is taking as much time and effort as lets say " a pure Mexican Sativa, " then not only am I not getting convenianced, but not getting a good balance of chemicals either, because of the ongoing inbreeding of Cannabis and would have been better off growing a pure Mexican and getting a nice clear and balanced High that lasts hours and hours and not some silly high that lasts two hours and then leaves you like it never was there.

As these Trees, start being grown more and more and The Spirit continues to fill people with common sense, they will see that all of these silly papers and figures are exactly that,......silly.

Regardless, you want the best CBD content and the best experiance.....let it get Ripe.

Common sense, is like an old shoe.....you cannot wear it out and nobody wants to borrow it, LOL.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural