The behavior of the right vs the behavior of the left, a study in contrast.

FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks

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abandonconflict said:
When you have an adjective preceding an "ism" noun, it kind of means something a little different than if the "ism" noun was just alone. Are you suggesting that "vertical collectivism" is identical to collectivism? Or are you suggesting that you only object to collectivism when it is of the vertical variety?

I haven't criticized you yet.
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You are correct sir. I am for horizontal collectivism. It derives from the people, and is held constant in a constitutional republic. When we are told what to believe is right or wrong by the government, our thoughts and opinions become "centralized", instead of opinionated between equal individuals.
 
UncleBuck

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Canna Sylvan said:
leftist bitches only want FREE SHIT!
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is that why you complained so loudly when we informed you that your taxes didn't go up, but rather the "free shit" you got for popping out mini-pyscho cannas expired?

i am still waiting for all the free shit you guys say i voted for. all i got was cannabis re-legalization.
 
abandonconflict

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Canna Sylvan said:
Damn you guys are retards. You should really study up on your philosophy if you want to argue it better. Vertical collectivism is forced or coercion to get a means done. Taxes, military and eminent domain are examples of vertical collectivism. Volunteerism, which you laugh at so much, is horizontal collectivism. The tribe or family would be an example of horizontal collectivism.
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Clearly you are as confused as he is.

Since you are talking about the "volunteerism" which I laugh at so much, I assume you mean voluntaryism. The reason I say you are both confused, is because he specified also, that he prefers equality. There is nothing a voluntaryist hates more than egalitarianism. In fact, Rothbard, considered egalitarianism a revolt against nature. If you want to suggest anyone read up on philosophy, you ought to learn this (aside from the fact that you spelled it incorrectly, volunteerism is not a political philosophy). Start with Rothbard or Spooner, who were the most prominent pushers of this philosophy of poverty.

Voluntaryism is a system where liberty is tied to property. Those with no property have almost no liberty. Those with the most property have nearly unhindered liberty. Furthermore, another core tenet of voluntaryism is opposition to "state monopoly of force" which means that they wish to privatize the apparatus of state, including such vertical collectives as private armies, police forces and courts.
 
UncleBuck

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abandonconflict said:
Clearly you are as confused as he is.

Since you are talking about the "volunteerism" which I laugh at so much, I assume you mean voluntaryism. The reason I say you are both confused, is because he specified also, that he prefers equality. There is nothing a voluntaryist hates more than egalitarianism. In fact, Rothbard, considered egalitarianism a revolt against nature. If you want to suggest anyone read up on philosophy, you ought to learn this (aside from the fact that you spelled it incorrectly, volunteerism is not a political philosophy). Start with Rothbard or Spooner, who were the most prominent pushers of this philosophy of poverty.

Voluntaryism is a system where liberty is tied to property. Those with no property have almost no liberty. Those with the most property have nearly unhindered liberty. Furthermore, another core tenet of voluntaryism is opposition to "state monopoly of force" which means that they wish to privatize the apparatus of state, including such vertical collectives as private armies, police forces and courts.
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next time, include eight more paragraphs and work in several dozens mentions of marxism, how you are so well read in marxism, barbarian moslems, louis farrakahn, al sharpton, and the lack of achievements by africans and polynesians.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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UncleBuck said:
next time, include eight more paragraphs and work in several dozens mentions of marxism, how you are so well read in marxism, barbarian moslems, louis farrakahn, al sharpton, and the lack of achievements by africans and polynesians.
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I prefer truth and logic.
 
FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks

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Listen Conflict, if you're going to do the one liner hit and run cheap shots like uncle buck, then I'm not sure this is going to go anywhere.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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abandonconflict said:
Clearly you are as confused as he is.

Since you are talking about the "volunteerism" which I laugh at so much, I assume you mean voluntaryism. The reason I say you are both confused, is because he specified also, that he prefers equality. There is nothing a voluntaryist hates more than egalitarianism. In fact, Rothbard, considered egalitarianism a revolt against nature. If you want to suggest anyone read up on philosophy, you ought to learn this (aside from the fact that you spelled it incorrectly, volunteerism is not a political philosophy). Start with Rothbard or Spooner, who were the most prominent pushers of this philosophy of poverty.

Voluntaryism is a system where liberty is tied to property. Those with no property have almost no liberty. Those with the most property have nearly unhindered liberty. Furthermore, another core tenet of voluntaryism is opposition to "state monopoly of force" which means that they wish to privatize the apparatus of state, including such vertical collectives as private armies, police forces and courts.
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I don't say things and mean something else, like you do. I actually know the meaning of the "shit" I espouse.

The United Nations Volunteers (UNV) programme is the volunteer arm of the UN system, supporting peace, relief and development initiatives in nearly 140 countries. Created by the General Assembly in 1970, it is administered by the UN Development Programme (UNDP).

The programme works through UNDP country offices to send volunteers and promote the idea of volunteerism. As a volunteer-based programme, UNV is both unique within the United Nations family and in its scale as an international undertaking. It assigns mid-career professionals to sectoral and community-based development projects, humanitarian aid activities, and the promotion of human rights and democracy.
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Except for the democracy part, I agree with that. But not when it's forced upon us by means of taxation. Volunteerism has to be done through voluntaryism.

http://www.un.org/en/globalissues/volunteerism/
 
FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks

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Are you serious? When have I ever called myself a libertarian? I'm far from a statist. You're done. Good-bye
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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abandonconflict said:
Clearly, you do not.
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"Voluntaryism (or sometimes erroneously voluntarism), is a libertarian philosophy which holds that all forms of human association should be voluntary."

Voluntaryism is very much compatible with volunteerism. You just don't think so because you're scared of yourself and unless you have the state to hold back your animal urges, you fear that you'll become a savage like in Lord of the Flies. But in reality, what you're really scared of is becoming Piggy, and others will use their animal urges to make you their bitch.

It's very likely I've first studied what you have no idea about, before you were born. Get a clue, son.
 
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