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Doug Dawson

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I'd have to disagree on the LST comments, at least for me. I haven't had any issues with canopy control when mixing LST and supercropping.

What makes lollipopping any different on an LSTed plant or not? You're just removing lower growth.
I suppose what makes lollipopping different on an LSTed plant is you have made those lower growth limbs mains more or less with lst and as such there really would be no need to chop them. I still believe a combination of topping and LST makes for better colas. When you break apical dominance it changes structure. To each their own. The original comment was that LST creates plants with bigger yields than topping. I just cannot agree with that. I think if you take 2 clones, used LST on one and LST/Topping on the other that the topped plant would yield more. That said it would also take more time to finish as you extend veg to allow healing of the plant after topping. Both are tried and true methods of plant training that work and in the end compliment each other.
 

lusidghost

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Obviously what I'm getting at is of course a plant in full bloom is going to be hard to overwater. But that same watering routine is going to drown younger plants. You can have a medium with a high air ratio that forces you to water several times a day when they're young, but it's the medium preventing the overwatering in that case.
 

Frankly Dankly

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Best advice I’ve been given: my buddy Juice walks into our local bar in a back brace made from aircraft grade aluminum, I ask him how it happened, and his response was epic. “It ain’t free bein’ rad!” was the response. His “ain’t free” at the moment was stacking on a rodeo 540 off the famed Elephant’s Back in the Sierra back country, but there was many more of them.

Basically, anything worth doing is worth the possible consequences, so don’t be afraid and live that shit. It’s become somewhat a life motto, my daughter’s live it now too. One falls off the beam in gymnastics, “you ok baby girl?” a four year old answers, “yeah daddy, it ain’t free bein’ rad!”
 

maranibbana

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Obviously what I'm getting at is of course a plant in full bloom is going to be hard to overwater. But that same watering routine is going to drown younger plants. You can have a medium with a high air ratio that forces you to water several times a day when they're young, but it's the medium preventing the overwatering in that case.
Well seems you must have missed this part of my post...

Realize that everyone has different set ups, and different relationships with their plants. To make a statement like “this is this and it’s the only way”, esp in growing, is silly.

so many paths to take. Happy growing
As I was replying to OPs general statement that “you don’t need to water that often”
 

maranibbana

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Obviously what I'm getting at is of course a plant in full bloom is going to be hard to overwater. But that same watering routine is going to drown younger plants. You can have a medium with a high air ratio that forces you to water several times a day when they're young, but it's the medium preventing the overwatering in that case.
In their early life I water every day, less water. Older they get, they get more water. I run living soil I don’t ever let them get dry or let the pots get light, ever. So yes I still do water every day, every other day, and adjust the amount of water as they age. Once they are done 6 weeks veg, they can handle 1 gal every other day for the rest of their lives. Sometimes more
 

lusidghost

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In their early life I water every day, less water. Older they get, they get more water. I run living soil I don’t ever let them get dry or let the pots get light, ever. So yes I still do water every day, every other day, and adjust the amount of water as they age. Once they are done 6 weeks veg, they can handle 1 gal every other day for the rest of their lives. Sometimes more
Wait, I'm totally wrong. You're right. I take back everything I said. I misread the original post and ran with it. I thought he said "plants don't need as much water as you think" instead of "plants don't need watered as much as you think."

That's a huge difference. My entire argument was about overwatering, not really the frequency of watering. My apologies.
 

maranibbana

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Wait, I'm totally wrong. You're right. I take back everything I said. I misread the original post and ran with it. I thought he said "plants don't need as much water as you think" instead of "plants don't need watered as much as you think."

That's a huge difference. My entire argument was about overwatering, not really the frequency of watering. My apologies.
No it’s all good, the internet is a weird place, esp. RUI. all is well, happy growing
 

twentyeight.threefive

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I suppose what makes lollipopping different on an LSTed plant is you have made those lower growth limbs mains more or less with lst and as such there really would be no need to chop them. I still believe a combination of topping and LST makes for better colas. When you break apical dominance it changes structure. To each their own. The original comment was that LST creates plants with bigger yields than topping. I just cannot agree with that. I think if you take 2 clones, used LST on one and LST/Topping on the other that the topped plant would yield more. That said it would also take more time to finish as you extend veg to allow healing of the plant after topping. Both are tried and true methods of plant training that work and in the end compliment each other.
My LST only plants have plenty of lower growth that require chopping. If I didn't it would be an absolute mess. That's why I was confused at the comment and questioned it. I trained and prune my autos the same as my photos.
 

Detroitwill

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Ya I caught that. If there’s anything I’ve noticed about RIU, it’s that some of the people here like to try to cause bickering matches. And I still stand by my comment. I didn’t say when or how often you should water due to the fact that everyone’s grow is different. And most people, when they first start growing , tend to think marijuana needs a lot of water. So again, it doesn’t need as much a one might think. I grow in pro mix with 15gal pots. So I water every three days. Once in full flower I up it to every two days. But, there are people who prefer to water a small amount daily, that’s a preference. And it took them time to figure out how they do things. But if you ask anyone here I’m sure most will have a “oops I over watered” story to tell. Also... if this answer doesn’t suit you. You can just ignore me. I’m not “the” authority on growing, so do what you like n I’ll do what I like.
 

Detroitwill

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2 .... choice words of wisdom

1. To see what a women really looks like ... throw into a lake or take on of your 5 gallon grow buckets and douse her face. Look for a mudflow of paint.
Man am I glad I’m old n have a wife. I feel bad for the younger guys these days. We never had to check for dangly parts.
2. Always look for an adams apple.
2 .... choice words of wisdom

1. To see what a women really looks like ... throw into a lake or take on of your 5 gallon grow buckets and douse her face. Look for a mudflow of paint.
Lmfao. You forgot to say look at her ha
2. Always look for an adams apple.
 

lusidghost

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Ya I caught that. If there’s anything I’ve noticed about RIU, it’s that some of the people here like to try to cause bickering matches. And I still stand by my comment. I didn’t say when or how often you should water due to the fact that everyone’s grow is different. And most people, when they first start growing , tend to think marijuana needs a lot of water. So again, it doesn’t need as much a one might think. I grow in pro mix with 15gal pots. So I water every three days. Once in full flower I up it to every two days. But, there are people who prefer to water a small amount daily, that’s a preference. And it took them time to figure out how they do things. But if you ask anyone here I’m sure most will have a “oops I over watered” story to tell. Also... if this answer doesn’t suit you. You can just ignore me. I’m not “the” authority on growing, so do what you like n I’ll do what I like.
I took what you said as being meant for a new grower who is watering the hell out of their little plants. But the way you framed it came of as saying experienced growers who have their systems on lock are feeding too often.
 

Detroitwill

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I took what you said as being meant for a new grower who is watering the hell out of their little plants. But the way you framed it came of as saying experienced growers who have their systems on lock are feeding too often.
Really? I ddnt think it seemed like that. Anyway, of course I wasn’t speaking to experienced growers. Most of us have our watering under control by our second grow. But there are new growers here daily. I was trying to start this thread with the first thing most of us learn. Which is that bud doesn’t need to be watered like a tropical plant.
 
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