The flush "myth"

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by DirtyD313, Mar 17, 2017.


    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    I dunno, might be on to part of something though. all you have to do is feed some nitrogen to your tomato plant the last couple weeks before you harvest. or some to your mj plants near finish too for big green leaves, not more trichomes, actually more vegetable matter now, so amount of active ingredients is less now per gram right?

    you like the smell and flavor of ammonia? no prob though,.... with a good old fashion tobaccy like sweat cure the flavor seems to smooth out to normal eventually, burp. eat the weed, you'll taste it without the nasty inhale even. slick trick to test this, ....try it on everything you consume....same results here. isreal grows hydro like all get out. they also taper their nutrients as vegetable harvest approaches, same directions followed I bet. I feed my livestock apples and carrots only toward the end of their life, for the same reasons.
    If throwing more scoops of pooh at end of flower made it better I'd be doing it for sure.

    when a new patient asks me "wow, how long did you have to cure this weed to make it so smooth? mehh, harvested a few weeks ago, 125 days of wicked love growing is my answer.
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    Yodaweed Well-Known Member

    smart pots are the best, use these when you use a smart pot for extra air flow and to dry your container more evenly.
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    Samsonator Well-Known Member

    I respectfully disagree. It would be easy enough to make it a blind study. I'd recommend again to the OP that he does a similar test, if not just to have fun with it. Experimentation is part of home grows, and having a hypothesis at the beginning of the experiment is normal.
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    Dr. Who

    Dr. Who Well-Known Member

    I respectfully reply -

    Science says that will fail. Some years ago, an advertising agency did a "blind" taste test on a food product. It failed, and they went to a College Psyc dept to find out why!

    In a study done by an advertising agency. They gave people 3 different products. They mixed how they were given and were really confused by answers from the test panel, when given the same thing 3 times straight. The people would find differences - even though they did not exist!
    When the brain is given a task - "Please tell us what you think of these 3 products" - it will find a difference! Even when one does not exist!

    Combine that with confirmation bias and it's very easy to understand why this flush BS myth - still lurks.

    Now then. If posed a choice for new information. The Brain will "default" to what it may believe, and basically not accept the new information given.....Chemmy has a big problem with that and the "Flush/fade" issue.....Confirmation Bias issue.

    Read this -

    "Blind" taste studies are not done anymore. They don't work.... The Products are in the open and your asked to compare! The people doing these tests. Are carefully picked to not have previous experience with either product!

    So, how would you approach this problem we have?

    I'm not arguing - only giving facts..

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    maybe your reality is bias (too?) and your reports of flavor, of three weeks drying time and tapered nutrients compared to non tapered nutrients in late flower with three weeks dry are simply not as I would report them?

    what we have is our own realities, sounds about right, I see things differently than many people, its awesome. my experiences often differ than the next guys', its so cool. we're individulas, we deserve to create and manifest our own reality.
    Science has told me many things along the way that just were not full truths, needed some fixin later even. if science once again said margarine was better for me than fresh butter I would not make the switch, I like butter better, some dont.

    peace out
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    I like butter too :). And no it doesn't taste like butter :).
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    Odin* Well-Known Member

    I had King crab yesterday and the restaurant had a really good smoked salt. I added it to my melted butter, but it was very heavy and didn't mix well. I ended up sprinkling the salt over the dipped crab, amazing... and yes, this does apply to the topic.

    CannaBruh Well-Known Member

    A/B/X testing

    fade to finish (I've been playing with k-sulfate only during the fade)
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    Lucky Luke

    Lucky Luke Well-Known Member

    Like all these "same, same" discussions we have left "flushing" and are now talking about fading feedings.

    Which is another controversial topic but IMO a different one. Lots of people water only for the whole grow.
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    Oh god now I'm very Hungry :(.

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I have.:spew:

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I'll bite.

    so you reduced feed for the fade to reduce chlorophyll? What color were the buds? I'm guessing green. So yellow leaves and green bud. We smoke bud, which is green. How is it that removed chlorophyll?

    coreywebster Well-Known Member

    Erm Good point. :dunce:
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    just_me Member

    It`s not. The Chlorophyll remains.

    Once you chop, the flow stops. Chlorophyll needs the fluids and movement to break down. You stop the flow, and it dries fast. Eventually, after a much much longer time it will break down, especially after temperature or humidity changes. While the plant is flowing, you can see colors change. Most plants break down the chlorophyll before shedding, that`s why you see color changes in the fall season.

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I was being a smart ass. That was my point that it remains.
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    just_me Member

    I have been here only a few days, I wasn`t sure. I did think , "he`s got to be kidding" though.
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    Special Kdog

    Special Kdog Active Member

    so what i'm gathering is that I should "leach" but collect the extra water because it will be nutrient rich and apply it to my unharvested plants that are early to mid flower stage so as to not let any excess nutrients get wasted.

    dannyboy602 Well-Known Member

    I dont know,that the chlorophyll is removed i think,it just breaks down. Sound about right?
    I read ur other post after i wrote this...should have read the rest of the posts first
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    Budget Buds

    Budget Buds Well-Known Member

    I'm not going to get into this debate, My idea's and thoughts are just that, But I used to flush (leech) my plants out before harvest, I saw a grow-room where the guy didnt , I asked how long he flushed for and he laughed, We smoked some weed and it was great, his buds were bigger and healthier with the same basic setup. After the first run I realized it was some stoner myth and a way for nutrient companies to sell you even more shit you dont need.

    Same strain same everything, but I didnt flush the plants the last two weeks , I ended up with almost 2 more ounces. It was dried and lightly cured and it tasted better then it ever had. It was perplexing at first until I realized that starving your plant of nutrients that dont readily get removed with water anyways in the last two (most important weeks) is almost an act of lunacy . I've not flushed anything since then and had better tasting and more robust yields.

    Now I believe that a proper slow dry and cure contributes to the taste far more then anything else you can do to the plant. But starving it the last weeks of it's life is only killing the potential of better yield.

    IMO , Flushing is for toilets . :) BB

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