The Great Reset

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This is the first I heard of it. While I have known of the imperative of the climate crisis the attempt to deal with global iinequity is relatively new to me. Mind you I think a little of that was in the Paris agreement with the richer economies helping out the poorer ones. But I have thought about where we are going as a world civilization. We have advanced to the point where we will have more people than things for them to do. Most of the wealth concentrated in few hands. The idea that we always have growth in the economy otherwise hell breaks loose.

A new world order? Maybe.

John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical 'Great Reset' movement

In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.

The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.

The two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters the “Great Reset,” are the COVID-19 pandemic (the short-term justification) and the so-called “climate crisis” caused by global warming (the long-term justification).


According to the Great Reset’s supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society. As World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

 

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Alright, this is another phase at what I have thought is a big problem for us. And it looks like something is being done with it in the US.

Sweeping financial crimes bill to hitch a ride on defense measure

Broad legislation to combat the use of shell companies by criminals and foreign adversaries is nearing the finish line after more than 10 years of lobbying and negotiations.

The landmark measure to overhaul financial crime safeguards is hitching a ride on the annual defense authorization bill, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), poised for passage before the end of the year.

The legislation would require businesses to disclose their beneficial owners — whoever ultimately owns or controls the entity — at the time of formation to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, a division of the Treasury Department, to help prevent the use of anonymous shell companies for criminal purposes.

“It is past time to put an end to the secrecy that allows drug cartels, human traffickers, arms dealers, terrorists and kleptocrats to exploit the United States’ banking system in order to carry out anti-American activities,” Warner said in a statement.

 

schuylaar

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This is the first I heard of it. While I have known of the imperative of the climate crisis the attempt to deal with global iinequity is relatively new to me. Mind you I think a little of that was in the Paris agreement with the richer economies helping out the poorer ones. But I have thought about where we are going as a world civilization. We have advanced to the point where we will have more people than things for them to do. Most of the wealth concentrated in few hands. The idea that we always have growth in the economy otherwise hell breaks loose.

A new world order? Maybe.

John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical 'Great Reset' movement

In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.

The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.

The two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters the “Great Reset,” are the COVID-19 pandemic (the short-term justification) and the so-called “climate crisis” caused by global warming (the long-term justification).


According to the Great Reset’s supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society. As World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

loose lips sink ships; open mouth insert foot..don't we have a Chief of Staff or a Press Secretary to make these blunders?

perhaps we should have a new president first?; horse/cart:wall:
 

printer

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loose lips sink ships; open mouth insert foot..don't we have a Chief of Staff or a Press Secretary to make these blunders?

perhaps we should have a new president first?; horse/cart:wall:
But this is something that has been perculating in the background for a while on the world stage. It is not all about the US at times, even though it feels that way.
 

schuylaar

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But this is something that has been perculating in the background for a while on the world stage. It is not all about the US at times, even though it feels that way.
i get it was it his place to make the announcement?
 

hanimmal

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Never mind about the credible source, I decided to look into it myself.

And I am pretty sure I was spot on to not trust 'The Hill' as being anything other than propaganda.

I love how they added in [the Great Reset] into Kerry's speech. I also noticed that they used out of context portions and capitalized the words 'Great Reset' like it was an actual thing that they were discussing. It wasn't. Next level propaganda.

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I was curious, so I went to the World Economic Forum website to look at what they had on 'The Great Reset' and it was a panel discussion about working together as a world to combat global climate change.

At 27:30 Kerry gets his first question (which was very misleading the way that 'the Hill' selectively chose how they posed the question that doesn't reflect what they actually said. The questioner asked about Paris Climate accords and if Biden was do something, that was what Kerry said will happen with great speed. And they are completely mischaracterizing his meaning of 'great reset' because he was talking about the complete asinine anti-science stances that Trump has taken, and that the voters of American voting in Biden is what was the great reset.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/the-great-reset-building-future-resilience-to-global-risks
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Looks like a lot of bullshit from the propaganda website 'the Hill' which is unsurprising. I highly recommend watching what Kerry had to say if this is something that you care about. It was a very informative discussion.


I was curious about the 'Butina' test.
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And Papadopoulos?
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Yup, still Russian propaganda.
 

printer

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It is an opinion piece. The news organizations have them all the time. They are there to make us think about where we are and what possibilities exist. The aftereffects of the covid virus will be with us for the coming decade. Global warming will not go away. The point is many people are thinking in these terms. And not just pie in the sky liberals. That is the interesting part.

Will it go anywhere? That is the point of my asking what others thought. We already know that the world has a glut of people without a viable employment future. My field of employment had automation as a subset. I know how to make things without people's input, or at least less people's input. And I came from an occupation where I was an assembly line worker.

Idle hands make for revolutions. In the Middle East more than 30% of the people are in the 15-29 age group. And they are not happy to live scratch out living. 20% of Africa is 15-24 years old. 50% of India's population is below 25. I am guessing that work will move to India from china yet. Africa and the Middle East, not so sure.
 

hanimmal

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It is an opinion piece. The news organizations have them all the time. They are there to make us think about where we are and what possibilities exist. The aftereffects of the covid virus will be with us for the coming decade. Global warming will not go away. The point is many people are thinking in these terms. And not just pie in the sky liberals. That is the interesting part.

Will it go anywhere? That is the point of my asking what others thought. We already know that the world has a glut of people without a viable employment future. My field of employment had automation as a subset. I know how to make things without people's input, or at least less people's input. And I came from an occupation where I was an assembly line worker.

Idle hands make for revolutions. In the Middle East more than 30% of the people are in the 15-29 age group. And they are not happy to live scratch out living. 20% of Africa is 15-24 years old. 50% of India's population is below 25. I am guessing that work will move to India from china yet. Africa and the Middle East, not so sure.
It is an opinion piece that is bullshit propaganda trying to paint Biden as a 'radical'.

I agree that Covid will impact our society for the next decade, I would go further and say that we really need to rethink how we socialize and interact with one another forever more. People mindlessly walking around snotting all over everything in stores, working sick, breathing each others air in public place is only going to get more dangerous.

Climate change too is not going away. More frequent and intense fire seasons, coastal flooding, etc, is not going to slow down.

I like the conversation, but the Hill is propaganda that is untrustworthy. They are there to pretend like they are making us think, but are really just planted loaded words and manipulating feeds.

My opinion about idle hands is to stick a book into them. Learning should be a lifelong endeavor.
 

Fogdog

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It is an opinion piece. The news organizations have them all the time. They are there to make us think about where we are and what possibilities exist. The aftereffects of the covid virus will be with us for the coming decade. Global warming will not go away. The point is many people are thinking in these terms. And not just pie in the sky liberals. That is the interesting part.

Will it go anywhere? That is the point of my asking what others thought. We already know that the world has a glut of people without a viable employment future. My field of employment had automation as a subset. I know how to make things without people's input, or at least less people's input. And I came from an occupation where I was an assembly line worker.

Idle hands make for revolutions. In the Middle East more than 30% of the people are in the 15-29 age group. And they are not happy to live scratch out living. 20% of Africa is 15-24 years old. 50% of India's population is below 25. I am guessing that work will move to India from china yet. Africa and the Middle East, not so sure.
When I read that opinion piece, my bullshit detectors went off. A five turd alarm, nonetheless. The only other time my BS detector triggered a five turd alarm was when Bugeye was defending Trump by claiming the Russia investigation was a big nothing burger. (it turns out that nothing burgers are substantial and taste great). Anyway, the author of the report:

Justin Haskins is the editorial director of the Heartland Institute. .

Who are the Heartland Institute? From Wikipedia
History[edit]
The Institute was founded in 1984 by Chicago investor David H. Padden, who served as the organization's chairman until 1995. Padden had been a director of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C., since its founding as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974.[10][11][12] Padden was also a former director of Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Acton Institute, the Foundation for Economic Education, and the Center for Libertarian Studies.[11][12] At age 26, Joseph L. Bast became Heartland's first employee. Bast's wife Diane was Heartland's publications director.[13][14]

In the 1990s, Heartland worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question serious cancer risks to secondhand smoke, and to lobby against government public-health regulations.[4] Starting in 2008, Heartland has organized conferences to question the scientific consensus on climate change.[4]:334[15]

After the election of U.S. President Barack Obama in November 2008, the Institute became involved with the Tea Party movement. According to the organization's director of communications, speaking at the sixth International Conference on Climate Change in 2011: "The support of the Tea Party groups across the country has been extremely valuable."[16] Heartland was among the organizers of the September 2009 Tea Party protest march, the Taxpayer March on Washington.[17][18] In support of the Tea Party movement, Heartland offered free literature and other assistance to Tea Party activists,[19] created a website "www.teapartytoolbox.org", and distributed a free book, The Patriot's Toolbox.[20][21]

Heartland says it has a full-time staff of 29, including editors and senior fellows,[22] as well as 222 unpaid policy advisers.[23] Heartland is a 501(c)(3) non-profit charity.[22][24] It reported revenues of $4.8 million in 2013.[25]

In March, 2020, Heartland laid off staff, reportedly in response to financial issues.
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The Heartland institute is a Koch Foundation "think tank" that defends Big Tobacco from regulations and Exxon from regulations to address climate change.

Who is Paying For Heartland Institute Climate Denial-Palooza?



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to help you research the humans and organizations involved, is an ExxonSecrets map of some of the listed speakers at Heartland Institute Denial-Palooza and some of their inter-connections to the meeting’s sponsors, CFACT, CEI, Media Research Center, Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation and the Cornwall Alliance.

The groups sponsoring the Heartland meeting were all big winners in ExxonMobil’s climate denial campaign, but Heartland Institute along with CEI, (the Koch funded) Cato Institute, CFACT, George Marshall Institute (now CO2 Coalition) and virtually every other organization represented at this meeting, aside from American Enterprise Institute, was dropped by ExxonMobil from 2005-2008, when Exxon was embarrassed for being shown to be funding these extremist orgs of the anti-environmental movement. In other words, a decade ago,the Heartland Institute position on climate was too extreme for even Exxon and then CEO Rex Tillerson to stomach…

Koch foundations also fund most of these groups heavily. That data can be found at Greenpeace, where they recently tabulated that the Koch apparatus has now exceeded $100 million in climate denial funding.


So, yeah. A hired gun is brought in to do a hit job on the incoming Biden administration, making wild claims about how Biden is "Devoted" to a some grand plan that has yet to be published.

Can we just ignore this now?
 

kovidkough

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sounds like a way to start a war. I dunno about you but anytime the elite have plans to change the lives of masses it seems they would be out numbered I'm inclined to believe its propaganda geared towards selectively separating our citizens into more groups instead of the rational realization we are all human.
 

printer

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Maybe I should put it another way. The article accuses Biden of doing something, or thinking of, and making out it is such a bad thing. And I am seeing the possibilities of Biden actually thinking we can't go stumbling around like Trump with no direction other than I want to get back to the 60's.

I really think this covid stimulus will really hamstring governments for the next few years if not more. And we need to get our act together in the next while also. As much as Trump is a dip shit he exposed that we are too exposed to China. China is a security threat to us all as China really only cares about its own interests. And we need to get much of the manufacturing back outside of its borders. And how are we going to do it quickly without government policies to that goal?

I really do not know how we are going to pull it off. I am hoping Biden has some smarter people that care about where we are going and they can figure out how to get there. I think we really are at a point in history where something is going to happen or something is going to break. A lot of people had great hope when Obama first became president. I remember watching him being put in on TV and thinking the words are nice but there was no feeling that it might happen. Maybe Trump got us to feel so low during his reign that anything looks like a bright star now. Even getting back to normal would feel great. But we really do have to go much further. I hope for now.
 
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hanimmal

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Maybe I should put it another way. The article accuses Biden of doing something, or thinking of, and making out it is such a bad thing. And I am seeing the possibilities of Biden actually thinking we can't go stumbling around like Trump with no direction other than I want to get back to the 60's.

I really think this covid stimulus will really hamstring governments for the next few years if not more. And we need to get our act together in the next while also. As much as Trump is a dip shit he exposed that we are too exposed to China. China is a security threat to us all as China really only cares about its own interests. And we need to get much of the manufacturing back outside of its borders. And how are we going to do it quickly without government policies to that goal?

I really do not know how we are going to pull it off. I am hoping Biden has some smarter people that care about where we are going and they can figure out how o get there. I think we really are at a point in history where something is going to happen or something is going to break. A lot of people had great hope when Obama first became president. I remember watching him being put in on TV and thinking the words are nice but there was no feeling that it might happen. Maybe Trump got us to feel so low during his reign that anything looks like a bright star now. Even getting back to normal would feel great. But we really do have to go much further. I hope for now.
This is why the senate is so important to get it in the Democrats hands. Hopefully Georgia delivers 2 Democrats in January or we are waiting until 2022 for the next opportunity.

I am not worried about China, they obviously told Trump how dangerous it was (Trump tapes that Woodward recorded prove this), Trump just didn't relay that information to us in America.

I think manufacturing is ready for a boon here in the states. In the 80s when faced with environmental concerns, it fled to a nation that didn't care (and that helped bring 400 million people or so out of poverty, so there is a lot of good that occurred), and now that technology has so drastically improved and the impacts of Covid on our society, I agree it is a perfect time to bring manufacturing home. We have the tech and knowledge to do it right and cleanly unlike ever before.
 

WintersBones

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This is the first I heard of it. While I have known of the imperative of the climate crisis the attempt to deal with global iinequity is relatively new to me. Mind you I think a little of that was in the Paris agreement with the richer economies helping out the poorer ones. But I have thought about where we are going as a world civilization. We have advanced to the point where we will have more people than things for them to do. Most of the wealth concentrated in few hands. The idea that we always have growth in the economy otherwise hell breaks loose.

A new world order? Maybe.

John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical 'Great Reset' movement

In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.

The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.

The two justifications for the proposal, which has been aptly named by its supporters the “Great Reset,” are the COVID-19 pandemic (the short-term justification) and the so-called “climate crisis” caused by global warming (the long-term justification).


According to the Great Reset’s supporters, the plan would fundamentally transform much of society. As World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab wrote back in June, “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions. Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed. In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

This is a difficult subject to broach and we're going to see a lot of crazy rhetoric and hyperbole about it, on all sides. I'm actually thrilled to hear some world leaders actually discuss these issues. But some of these ideas are getting close to market socialism that they are talking about in some ways, and that's going to cause backlash. although I doubt they will actually commit to any true left wing solutions, I imagine we'll only see a 'revamping' of the Capitalist system at best in the end. What I find amusing about this actually is that it is basically an admission that capitalism is doomed to fail, so now it seems they're starting to take more ideas out of the Market Socialism playbook and call it "a reset of Capitalism".

Of course right wingers will take this as the beginnings of the socialist revolution and communist dictatorship or some such nonsense, hence the highly charged news articles we're seeing everywhere. Even here in Canada the Conservative party is already using it as a bludgeon against the Liberals even though we've barely even started discussing these ideas, let alone implementing any changes to the economic system.
 

printer

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This is a difficult subject to broach and we're going to see a lot of crazy rhetoric and hyperbole about it, on all sides. I'm actually thrilled to hear some world leaders actually discuss these issues. But some of these ideas are getting close to market socialism that they are talking about in some ways, and that's going to cause backlash. although I doubt they will actually commit to any true left wing solutions, I imagine we'll only see a 'revamping' of the Capitalist system at best in the end. What I find amusing about this actually is that it is basically an admission that capitalism is doomed to fail, so now it seems they're starting to take more ideas out of the Market Socialism playbook and call it "a reset of Capitalism".

Of course right wingers will take this as the beginnings of the socialist revolution and communist dictatorship or some such nonsense, hence the highly charged news articles we're seeing everywhere. Even here in Canada the Conservative party is already using it as a bludgeon against the Liberals even though we've barely even started discussing these ideas, let alone implementing any changes to the economic system.
The problem with the capitalist system is it expects constant growth and in our terms that means resource extraction and throw it away culture. The right wing types think it can go on forever like that, well at least while they are alive. They scoff at people being able to have a global effect on the world.
 

Fogdog

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This is a difficult subject to broach and we're going to see a lot of crazy rhetoric and hyperbole about it, on all sides. I'm actually thrilled to hear some world leaders actually discuss these issues. But some of these ideas are getting close to market socialism that they are talking about in some ways, and that's going to cause backlash. although I doubt they will actually commit to any true left wing solutions, I imagine we'll only see a 'revamping' of the Capitalist system at best in the end. What I find amusing about this actually is that it is basically an admission that capitalism is doomed to fail, so now it seems they're starting to take more ideas out of the Market Socialism playbook and call it "a reset of Capitalism".

Of course right wingers will take this as the beginnings of the socialist revolution and communist dictatorship or some such nonsense, hence the highly charged news articles we're seeing everywhere. Even here in Canada the Conservative party is already using it as a bludgeon against the Liberals even though we've barely even started discussing these ideas, let alone implementing any changes to the economic system.
AOC wrote a very nice and well thought out overview of what a positive response to the harm industrial age fossil fuel burning can look like. I think it's a fine roadmap and will support the Biden team if they will just pick a few action items on that list to get started on.

But this thread is not about that. It's about some private lobbyist who works for the fossil fuel industry placing an opinion piece in The Hill about a fanciful Biden administration who implements a Stalinist take-over of our government.

I appreciate the OP because it brings to light that this kind of crap is already coming from The Hill. The Hill isn't saying they vouch for the piece:

BY JUSTIN HASKINS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 12/03/20 11:30 AM EST
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

It's not even in the fine print.
 
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