Fill us all in. This can help folks out and stop peeps from wasting money on illegitimate genetics. Cause if the genetics are not what he is selling then that's a fraudster.
[Scroll down to the bold text, if you don't have time to read this background info. Apologies for any errors or long-winded writing. I am trying to be concise]
Believe me, I want to know the full truth too- I invested a few hundred $ into '95 Silver Haze, Pakistan Heirloom, Weasel Skunk, Sk18, and a few others. I intended to have them as the starting foundation to keeping pure/unique lines, for my breeding purposes and to have them in my family's collection.
His claimed provenance was attractive (seeds from his dad, rare clones, etc). When considering old heirloom lines, I always try to go to the most legit (and usually down to earth, old-school) source. I am not ready to sprout them and openly pollinate- so my TNF packs remain in cold storage. Now, I don't want to pop them until I have answers- I'd rather ditch the packs at a loss and go for a different source, if it turns out my worst fear is true: what if TNF has been lying about the origin of things like '95 Silver Haze, and simply bought from Sensi, etc, then chucked or just open pollinated? The burden of proof is on TNF- I don't see how he can provide that. We just have to trust his word... not good.
The fact that they had decent relations with TNF was the
only reason I ever felt good about buying TNF seed. They were pretty much the only highly regarded folks who had good relations with TNF- along with the others from the former Coastal Seed co. I was happy to support TNF, who
seemed to truly be down to earth, about the plant and small farmers, KNF, holistic growing, & certainly not about greed. I refuse to support greed.
Just know, the
one thing that made me start buggin' out was that Mr.Bob, Hannah, and Crickets & Cicada
no longer follow TNF's instagram. TNF no longer follows them. I normally don't care much about IG, followings, this and that- but even I have to admit, that
looks really bad. It was fairly recent, so it's possible we may hear about it soon. Keep an eye on the Potcast, etc. It's pretty sad, because Mr.Bob called TNF his friend on his first Potcast episode. That is a high honor coming from Mr.Bob, and TNF ought to be ashamed if he burned that bridge/screwed them over.
I have a good relationship with Mr.Bob & Hannah, so I did ask them what happened. I specifically asked if I should be worried about the TNF seed I bought.
I have to respect that they didn't want to answer, and am also aware of how incredibly busy and dedicated they are. They have a level of integrity that is rare in this world- I won't pressure them for further answers at this time. They are staying quiet, for now. I admire Mr.Bob & Hannah, partly because I've never seen them participate in dramatics that frequent our world. They likely have no interest in "getting even".
A non-answer is an answer in and of itself. They'd have let me know right away if he was still cool- the silence on that still says something!
It's quite possible it was something more personal than directly herb-related. Even then, I don't care to support someone who betrays some of the most dedicated, warm-hearted folks around. I consider them to be friends, and I can't condone someone causing them any grief, drama, losses, etc. Maybe TNF seeds are ok, or even really amazing, but, similar to my feelings on RezRat, I
cannot support folks with zero integrity.
I made this account shortly after noticing, just to post this here- I wanted to make sure there was no mistake, so waited a bit longer to say this. Thought maybe somebody else would notice the same red flag I did.
Not trying to make accusations- TNF has
NEVER had many independent folks, with
undeniable credibility, backing him up- now there's even fewer! We must keep questioning and doing the detective work, & I expect the truth will out before too long. I have not asked Kaygu or Bollywoodbam, as I am not yet well-acquainted with them. They, and Mr. Bob and Hannah, are not gods. They get screwed over too, from time to time.
Last thing I want to do is start drama or slander without evidence- we need to respect Mr.Bob and Hannah's choices, and dig around elsewhere for more answers.
I really needed answers, because I was also fully
intending to share my rare clones with TNF, just like I am with Mr.Bob & Hannah. I thought he was worthy. No way in hell he's getting a damn thing from me now though! He was eyeing my cuttings greedily, I am damn-near certain. That's really why I did this dirty digging and close observations for 5+ years: I will never let these clones fall into the wrong hands! The TNF seed I invested in is
nothing compared to the fiscal damage he'd do if he had my clones- he'd likely exploit the rare hype and cut me out.
At least, that's my gut instinct at this point. He definitely exploited and hyped the provenance of gifted clones being "Librarian's cut". I think Mr. Bob was too busy to notice. I barely had time to smell this BS. I followed TNF's IG closely for years, both the old one and the replacement.
Oh, and one last thing- TNF is at least loosely associated with people who buy seeds from a legit breeder, openly pollinate/chuck, and resell them under the same name. Ie, RIP-OFFS. It all stinks of bull to me. Some of his biggest and most loyal fans do that BS, & I think he is even close friends with one of them. I won't name names, but that guy had chucked Blueberry straight from DJ Short, and sold the pure F5's or F6's openly on IG. Under the Blueberry name. Shady, lazy, & just messed up.
Time to go toke up and get back to my work- this is all so draining. I am sick and tired of seeing Mr. Bob and Hannah's good rep being used to defend TNF. That is BS. Question everything y'all. Back under the stairs I go- I'll check in here from time to time.
