The people behind the violence in the American protests of George Floyd.

hanimmal

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They really are trying to get the narrative that the protests about police injustice are represented by the domestic terrorists that use them as cover to sell this video's narrative. It just aired in MI during Fox News Chris Wallace Sunday show.

Pure propaganda. But the not-white woman was a nice touch.

Actually interesting to see this is one of the few times I have seen the comment section of a youtube video reflect reality. Which scared me more than the make-believe that somehow Trump's American reality will somehow be his lies about Biden's future.

 

hanimmal

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Looks like some click farm is working overtime to push this propaganda video (not linked) painting the peaceful protests as 'leftist' and rioters, up into the Youtube channels.
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Fogdog

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They really are trying to get the narrative that the protests about police injustice are represented by the domestic terrorists that use them as cover to sell this video's narrative. It just aired in MI during Fox News Chris Wallace Sunday show.

Pure propaganda. But the not-white woman was a nice touch.

Actually interesting to see this is one of the few times I have seen the comment section of a youtube video reflect reality. Which scared me more than the make-believe that somehow Trump's American reality will somehow be his lies about Biden's future.
I realize that propaganda is not about reason but influence. Still, though, irony is dead when Trump's people start talking about how people will not be safe when Biden is president.

Trump at the debate on Tuesday, 9/29/2020: After refusing to directly reject white supremacists and needing a name, Biden gave him one, Proud Boys. Trumps statement: Proud Boys, Stand back and Stand by.

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Fogdog

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Biden: They are looking for more violence and more disruption because it helps them politically"

He very accurately characterized Trump as throwing gasoline on the fire of unrest caused by police brutality in a naked act of political theater.


"This happens to be Donald Trump's America. Donald Trump's America"
 

hanimmal

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This lady is a few stamps away from being a female MAGA bomber if she gets anymore radicalized by the online propaganda warfare being conducted on our citizens.
 

buttar

Member
Firstly, Maga bombers don't exist, you need to look at Antifa and all the Intersectionality pushing kinds for that kind of behaviour. Secondly, online propaganda is wholesale on the left extremes, not the right. Sounds to me like you are in an echo chamber.

I'm centre/left on my political position but this madness of shutting the right down is going to end badly for all of us, what happened to reason?
 

hanimmal

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Firstly, Maga bombers don't exist,
You are saying this guy didn't exist?

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https://apnews.com/article/08e757762a7049458251f4cc3660b4eb
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NEW YORK (AP) — A Florida man pleaded guilty Thursday to sending pipe bombs to CNN and prominent critics of President Donald Trump in a wave of attacks that harmed no one but spread fear of political violence across the U.S. for days leading up to last fall’s midterm elections.

Cesar Sayoc, 57, shackled at the ankles, briefly sobbed as he entered the plea before a New York federal judge.

“I’m extremely sorry,” he said, speaking so softly that sometimes he was told to repeat himself. Though he said he never meant for the devices to explode, he conceded he knew they could.

He could get life in prison at sentencing Sept. 12 on 65 counts, including 16 counts of using a weapon of mass destruction and mailing explosives with intent to kill. In exchange for his guilty plea, prosecutors dropped a charge that carried a mandatory life sentence.

One charge carries a mandatory 10-year prison term that must be served in addition to his sentence on 64 other counts.

Sayoc sent 16 rudimentary bombs — none of which detonated — to targets including Hillary Clinton, former Vice President Joe Biden, several members of Congress, former President Barack Obama and actor Robert De Niro. Devices were also mailed to CNN offices in New York and Atlanta.

The bombs began turning up over a five-day stretch weeks before the hotly contested midterms, contributing to an already tense political environment. They were mailed to addresses in New York, New Jersey, Delaware, California, Washington, D.C., and Atlanta, Georgia.

Sayoc was arrested in late October at a Florida auto parts store. He had been living in a van plastered with Trump stickers and images of Trump opponents with crosshairs over their faces.

On Thursday, he told the judge he made objects designed to look like pipe bombs and filled them with explosive powder from fireworks, fertilizer and glass shards, accompanied by wires and a digital alarm clock.

“Did you intend they would explode?” Judge Jed Rakoff asked.

“No, sir,” Sayoc said.

“What would prevent powder from fireworks from exploding?” Rakoff asked.

“I was aware of the risk they would explode,” Sayoc said.

The first bomb was discovered Oct. 22 in a padded envelope in a mailbox at an estate in New York City’s northern suburbs owned by the billionaire George Soros, a liberal political activist and frequent subject of conspiracy theories.

A device addressed to the home of Hillary and Bill Clinton was discovered the following day, followed a day later by a slew of bombs found at the homes or offices of prominent Democrats. One, addressed to former CIA director John Brennan, was sent to CNN in New York.

Others targeted included California Sen. Kamala Harris, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Rep. Maxine Waters, former Attorney General Eric Holder and billionaire liberal activist Tom Steyer.

Over several days, investigators tracked the packages to a mail center in Florida. Prosecutors said the evidence against Sayoc included DNA that linked him to 10 of the devices and fingerprints on two of them.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman, who attended the plea proceeding, said in a statement afterward that he was grateful nobody was hurt by the devices, but added that Sayoc’s “actions left an air of fear and divisiveness in their wake.”

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers added: “Our democracy will simply not survive if our political discourse includes sending bombs to those we disagree with.”

He said Sayoc’s crimes “are repulsive to all Americans who cherish a society built on respectful and non-violent political discourse, no matter how strongly held one’s views.”
you need to look at Antifa and all the Intersectionality pushing kinds for that kind of behaviour.
I dont disagree that there is radicalization going on whichever brandname of online crazy people are tricked into believing is true. You have people that are going to get radicalized (like 'Proud Boys' brand naming) by the POTUS saying 'stand by' as much as that is going to radicalize people against the rhetoric and violence.

Especially when you get people who are trying to paint 'them' as the bad people blend into peaceful protestors to do violence for the cameras.

Secondly, online propaganda is wholesale on the left extremes, not the right. Sounds to me like you are in an echo chamber.

I'm centre/left on my political position but this madness of shutting the right down is going to end badly for all of us, what happened to reason?
You are incorrect. The online radicalization is happening on every side of every issue.
This attack being conducted on our nation by the Russian military is extremely serious, effective, and shitty. It is worth learning about it if you have people you care about that have had a hard time talking about anything really, without getting upset when people don't instantly agree with them, especially if they trigger.

Nice to meet you. Welcome to the forum.
 

buttar

Member
Hey there friend,

Your opening salvo was that some average conservative American woman who didn't buy the extreme lefts lies about Breonna Taylor was some kind of deranged white power crazy woman, In fact your comments about anyone who disagrees with you are extreme, just chill out dude, you don't need to keep doing this.
I responded to your post about Breonna Taylor saying "You crazy brother" for this reason, she died because of bad decision in her life. The cops had a no knock warrant because of her history with her ex gang banging drug dealer that she still dealt with and accepted packages for. The police didn't even execute the no knock warrant, they knocked and when nobody answered they took the door out, Breonna's new boyfriend shot the officer and the officers shot back, I'm sorry here but tell me where Breonna was racially attacked, brutalised and killed by police.
It's people pushing the lies that create the problems.

Also, here's some truth on your MAGA bomber. Cesar Ceyoc was a bodybuilder on Steroids with a history of mental illness, he did not send pipe bombs at all, he sent imitation inoperative pipes that looked like pipe bombs which was stupid and extreme but It's worth looking into why he did it, he was and maybe is still a Trump supporter and that's his decision but, after putting trump signs on his truck, It was vandalised by left wing nuts and he flipped, you can't just paint him as a MAGA bomber, oh but you can because you are extreme left wing, you can say anything out of context as long as it fits your agenda

I do agree with you on the media but we all have to ignore everything they tell us, they will lead us to turmoil and sadness. The media used to tell us the news and we could decide how we felt about it and decide what to do with the knowledge but now the media weaponizes the news with misinformation and tells us how to feel leaving us to act out their plan.

I came to this website to learn about growing plants, please let's keep it that way, this is not a political media outlet. I will not reply to any more political posts, I was just dissapointed see far left wing anti American content.
You are giving true left leaning people like me a bad rap.

Everybody needs to relearn how to think critically

Thanks for the welcome to the forum and It's nice to meet you too, let's celebrate common ground
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Your opening salvo was that some average conservative American woman who didn't buy the extreme lefts lies about Breonna Taylor was some kind of deranged white power crazy woman, In fact your comments about anyone who disagrees with you are extreme, just chill out dude, you don't need to keep doing this.
Who are you talking to and mind pointing out (with a link) to this opening salvo? Because I am not sure if you meant me or not.

I responded to your post about Breonna Taylor saying "You crazy brother" for this reason, she died because of bad decision in her life. The cops had a no knock warrant because of her history with her ex gang banging drug dealer that she still dealt with and accepted packages for. The police didn't even execute the no knock warrant, they knocked and when nobody answered they took the door out, Breonna's new boyfriend shot the officer and the officers shot back, I'm sorry here but tell me where Breonna was racially attacked, brutalised and killed by police.
It's people pushing the lies that create the problems.
That is not true though. None of what you said in the above statement is true. If I was you and you actually believe these lies that have been pushed I would suggest looking at what the AP news (the most factual and non-partisan source for information) has reported on this.

Also, here's some truth on your MAGA bomber. Cesar Ceyoc was a bodybuilder on Steroids with a history of mental illness, he did not send pipe bombs at all, he sent imitation inoperative pipes that looked like pipe bombs which was stupid and extreme but It's worth looking into why he did it, he was and maybe is still a Trump supporter and that's his decision but, after putting trump signs on his truck, It was vandalised by left wing nuts and he flipped, you can't just paint him as a MAGA bomber, oh but you can because you are extreme left wing, you can say anything out of context as long as it fits your agenda
It is a good thing I agree that he did not know enough to make live bombs. And yes he is extremely mentally unstable, no question.

You pretending though that he did not want to explode Trump's perceived enemies by sending pipe bombs through the mail (even if they were ultimately inactive due to his incompetence) is not taking what he did as out of context. Because it was not. He tried to murder for Trump.

The point of him being a domestic terrorist because of his devotion to Dear Leader is the problem. Trump is radicalizing American citizens with his hateful rhetoric.

I do agree with you on the media but we all have to ignore everything they tell us, they will lead us to turmoil and sadness. The media used to tell us the news and we could decide how we felt about it and decide what to do with the knowledge but now the media weaponizes the news with misinformation and tells us how to feel leaving us to act out their plan.
"Media" being anything people want it to mean?

Unfortunately when people don't understand the difference between actual news sources of information (like AP news) you end up believing what you want to believe about stuff like you said above about the Breonna Taylor killing. Because what you said above is false.

It is tough though, with online propaganda like OANN/the Hill/the Nation and thousands of other propaganda websites pretending to be news selling their narratives to trick people into thinking what they read on some forum is backed up when it is not.

But mistaking those scams with actual news sources is a problem.

I came to this website to learn about growing plants, please let's keep it that way, this is not a political media outlet. I will not reply to any more political posts, I was just dissapointed see far left wing anti American content.
You are giving true left leaning people like me a bad rap.
This is a political forum.

And it is important that citizens of democracy understand that the attack being conducted on everyone across every forum online so that they can overcome the lies and hate that is putting dictators like Trump in office.

You're false narrative that I am somehow 'far left wing anti-American' is on you. If you are reading things you see as that online, I would suggest understanding that the attack Russia is conducting on our citizens is trying to get you to believe exactly that by using sock puppet accounts that take on these right/left dynamics to push hateful shit into your chat feeds. The reason to understand this is that it taints what you read in other people's posts instead of taking them for what they are you read into them with a bias from what you read by what very well may be trolls trying to end reasonable discussions.

Best of luck to you and your family. Eventually the evidence in the open will be so overwhelming that people will have to open their eyes to the attack. But that doesn't mean you should not take it seriously and arm your family with the knowledge of what is happening, because it is impacting everyone and it is not for our (America's) benefit.
 

buttar

Member
I can see that there will be no reasoning with you, you swallow mainstream media like It's a sweet broth. The Breonna case files have been leaked, you can search and check them yourself, everything that I have said is from the leaked investigation.

I don't have time to link everything that we are talking about and there is no reason to do so, read the thread and you can easily find what you have said, duplication of effort is a fools folly. Just to remind you, my first response was to your post that lead with, "This lady is a few stamps away from being a female MAGA bomber if she gets anymore radicalized by the online propaganda warfare being conducted on our citizens.".
This seems to be a repeating theory of yours, that everyone who doesn't agree with you is being radicalised.

You mentioned only OANN/the Hill/the Nation as propaganda websites, why only right leaning sites, is this evidence of your far left position, why not name CNN, BBC etc these are clearly left biased media outlets, be careful what you read on ANY mainstream media website, be very careful

Trump a dictator, damn, that's pretty weird, I don't know how you got there but you did, I guess he doesn't agree with you either, in fact I'm guessing there are a lot of people you don't agree with or they with you, Thomas Sowell maybe?

Do you read what you write before posting, I'm just wondering
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I can see that there will be no reasoning with you,
Nice start with a bullshit attack. I am perfectly willing to be reasonable with you and would be willing to also listen if you point out where I am not.

you swallow mainstream media like It's a sweet broth.
Like Crayola crayons? They sell billions a year and are media, so not sure what you are talking about.

The Breonna case files have been leaked, you can search and check them yourself, everything that I have said is from the leaked investigation.
Yes I have looked at a lot of it. Unfortunately the AG of Kentucky is also trying to burry what it was that he stopped from being brought to the grand jury. So we will see when it is actually all out. Feel free to post what you have seen, because there is a lot of false information out there and it is impossible to know what it is that you have 'seen'.

I don't have time to link everything that we are talking about and there is no reason to do so, read the thread and you can easily find what you have said, duplication of effort is a fools folly. Just to remind you, my first response was to your post that lead with, "This lady is a few stamps away from being a female MAGA bomber if she gets anymore radicalized by the online propaganda warfare being conducted on our citizens.".
This seems to be a repeating theory of yours, that everyone who doesn't agree with you is being radicalised.
So just take your word for it. Got it. But no thank you, I am not going to chase my tail about what some sock puppet account has 'seen'.

And yes, if you listen to what she says, she is saying that reporters are trying to kill her. Because of some weirdo internet youtube guy, who is not part of any journalistic news organization that I have ever seen.

It is not about agreeing or disagreeing with me, it is about people actually believing the propaganda spam that they are being fed by bad actors like the Russian military and Trump's troll army.

You saying this at the end of a week we learned about a domestic terrorist plot that was going to try to kidnap our govenor and blow up bridges as a diversion. Are you really this naive?


You mentioned only OANN/the Hill/the Nation as propaganda websites, why only right leaning sites, is this evidence of your far left position, why not name CNN, BBC etc these are clearly left biased media outlets, be careful what you read on ANY mainstream media website, be very careful


The Hill and the Nation represented a non biased and left bias site to go with the OANN right bias.


The BBC and CNN both have to be accountable to our legal system and have to have their stories hold up in a court of law. Internet propaganda sites don't have that level of scrutiny.

And if it is not on AP news or Reuters, I am always skeptical of what I am reading.

Trump a dictator, damn, that's pretty weird, I don't know how you got there but you did, I guess he doesn't agree with you either, in fact I'm guessing there are a lot of people you don't agree with or they with you, Thomas Sowell maybe?
You have made false assumption after false assumption about me. This would be another example.

Do you read what you write before posting, I'm just wondering
Always. And I am not dodging what you are saying, even though you seem to ignore most of what I say to try to attack me with a couple cherry picked points (that you still managed to mangle).
 

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buttar

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Ok, I see that you are a keyboard warrior with loads of time on their hands.

you said:
And it is important that citizens of democracy understand that the attack being conducted on everyone across every forum online so that they can overcome the lies and hate that is putting dictators like Trump in office.
I said:
Trump a dictator, damn, that's pretty weird, I don't know how you got there but you did, I guess he doesn't agree with you either, in fact I'm guessing there are a lot of people you don't agree with or they with you, Thomas Sowell maybe?
Then you said:
You have made false assumption after false assumption about me. This would be another example.
See how you did that.

So, there is proof that you are either a liar and do not have any idea that you are lying, or.... mislead knowing exactly what you are doing.

Nice to meet ya buddy, not wasting anymore time on your anger and hatred, hope you find peace
 

hanimmal

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Ok, I see that you are a keyboard warrior with loads of time on their hands.
Are you capable of not starting your posts out with a troll? If you are actually a human being and not another in the endless line of Trump trolls (foreign and domestic) maybe take a breath and understand I am not trolling you. It might be hard because everyone is under attack from the propaganda warfare the Russian military is conducting on us, but that doesn't mean it is not worth slowing down to understand this. I am not your enemy.



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The Sowell thing is the false assumption.

The way I got to Trump being a dictator is with many examples. His 'only I can do it' mindset is one example. Another is when he bragged (during the debate with Biden) about the guy who was shot up for over a minute because he told his guys to go get him in a tweet. Appointing 'acting' roles into the executive branch to circumvent the senate confirmation process, politicizing American intelligence agencies trying to keep us safe and informed about the Russian attack on our citizens, getting payoffs from foreign dictators through his hotels, taking tax payer money to funnel through his golf courses and hotels, on and on. All dictator moves.

So, there is proof that you are either a liar and do not have any idea that you are lying, or.... mislead knowing exactly what you are doing.
Except you are wrong, because you ignored how you ended the sentence.

Nice to meet ya buddy, not wasting anymore time on your anger and hatred, hope you find peace
I am just fine and don't have hate or anger in my heart. I hope you find clarity with the trolling that you apparently are being flooded with if you are a actual American and not another in the long line of foreign sock puppet accounts attacking our democracy.

Again, if you take a breath before trying to 'own a lib' and actually talk about things that are clearly impacting your ability to have a conversation based on your previous posts I am all for it.

I am not your enemy.
 

hanimmal

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So this guy got lucky and didn't have to drive across state lines. The whole crossing state lines is non point to me. How far did Kyle drive? All that matter is this, Was the killings justified or not. Where you in fear of your life or were you looking just to kill someone. In Kyle case he had a gun pointed at him and a mob chasing him down striking him the head with a skateboard. I can honestly say that If I was in his situation that I would be in fear of my life. I'm not saying he wasn't looking for trouble but nobody forced anybody to point a gun at him or chase him down while swinging skateboards at his head. The guy in denver didn't have guns pointed at him nor a mob chasing him down swinging potentially lethal weapons at him. I would not have feared for my life in this situation. I would have been pissed but not fearing for my life.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15760731

Kyle killed someone before he started to run down the street, people. A 17 year old kid shouldn't feel empowered to carry firearms in someone else's city. I argue that it is very likely that this poor kid (just like millions of other Americans) had been radicalized into becoming a potential domestic terrorist when he showed up with a gun because a Facebook post.

I really don't think it is that different than what happened to the biker either, outside of maybe that biker having an opportunity to not spray his gas when a gun was drawn on him, while Rittenhouse just lit up the people around him. But I don't think it is very different at all.
 

Werp

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https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15760731

Kyle killed someone before he started to run down the street, people. A 17 year old kid shouldn't feel empowered to carry firearms in someone else's city. I argue that it is very likely that this poor kid (just like millions of other Americans) had been radicalized into becoming a potential domestic terrorist when he showed up with a gun.

I really don't think it is that different than what happened to the biker either, outside of maybe that biker having an opportunity to not spray his gas when a gun was drawn on him, while Rittenhouse just lit up the people around him. But I don't think it is very different at all.

How about people, most of them young and perhaps some even 17, feel empowered to march through someone elses city and throw rocks and burn down business's? Who's radicalized?

It is very different. In one situation a person fears for their life ( a gun pointed at you) and you start to chased down and surrounded by people people swinging potentially lethal objects at you. The Denver altercation didn't have that. Bascially had a biker guy spraying some pepper spray at him. If anything it's an annoyance but not one that makes you fear for you life. Totally different.
 

hanimmal

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How about people, most of them young and perhaps some even 17, feel empowered to march through someone elses city and throw rocks and burn down business's? Who's radicalized?
They are also radicalized. There is no 'both sides' with crazy, these people are using the peaceful protests as cover to do violence in our streets none of it is ok.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-people-behind-the-violence-in-the-american-protests-of-george-floyd.1018871/post-15693416

Im with Biden on this issue.

The problem is that there is a giant propaganda machine using these violent acts as Trump's re-elction campaign on sites like Youtube, while Trump is using the power of the presidency to fan these flames, and a foreign military using data analysis to further radicalize vulnerable people.

It is very different. In one situation a person fears for their life ( a gun pointed at you) and you start to chased down and surrounded by people people swinging potentially lethal objects at you. The Denver altercation didn't have that. Bascially had a biker guy spraying some pepper spray at him. If anything it's an annoyance but not one that makes you fear for you life. Totally different.
I think @schuylaar had a very good point, how does that security guard know that what the biker sprayed at him wasn't acid? I am not a fan of guns or violence, having seen too much of all of it, and don't think that the guy should have pulled his gun period. But I was not there and the cops reported finding two guns, so it is completely possible the biker was pulling a gun too, I am guessing it will all come out in their trials.

Your standing up for Rittenhouse now though is a direct flip on what you said to DIY.
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Werp

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"I think @schuylaar had a very good point, how does that security guard know that what the biker sprayed at him wasn't acid? "

Acid doesn't come in a pepper spray dispenser, isn't orange and doesn't smell like pepper. Pepper spray has become a very common defense tool in these protest, I can't think of any acid attacks, so this is really stretching it.

"Your standing up for Rittenhouse now though is a direct flip on what you said to DIY. "

Rittenhouse had a gun pulled and pointed at him, so if you condemn that but justify a guy getting a pepper sprayed you have lost all objectivity. One is justifiable the other is other not. So I'm not doing a flip. If somebody pepper sprayed Rittenhouse and he shot them, I would be condemning him. Like I said, I think Rittenhouse went there looking for trouble (don't think he was looking to kill people) but if he was protecting your business or house from getting burned down I'm sure you'd have a different perspective on things.
 
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