The UK Growers Thread!

The Yorkshireman

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and yeah that counts for a lot. Its like a commercial set up, everything has side lighting from the neighbouring plants lights. All that light overlap makes a huge difference.
No, it's still only 600w per plant.

5400w over 9 plants is exactly that, 5400w over 9 plants.
Then after that the bigger the room/larger the space the plants/lights are spread out over, the less yield you get from each plant.
 

The Yorkshireman

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And this is what 2 20oz plants look like with 2 600s dropped over them

I'd like to see a photo of those exact plants at finish because they barely fit into that space as it is with next to fuck all penetration and they look to only be about 3 weeks in.

If those plants pull 20oz each in that environment then I'd calling the quality of this 20oz in to question.

They're cramped in so early with no healthy space to fill out solid colas.
 

coreywebster

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I don't think you could man, again it's about physical space.


Look how this 35oz is laid out again, over twice as much space with 3 x as much light.

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So you're saying potentially 10oz more (which is 4.6 more plants than in the picture to make up the 10 extra oz) in half the space.
I don't know how much light you're suggesting but you couldn't do that with a single 600 and 3 x 600's in a 1.2 m is nearly impossible to run, I've run 2 x 600w and a 400w in a 1.2m in winter and it was touch and go.
I know what your saying, but its apples to oranges. As I said, in theory, because I vegged 3 plants last crop for 4-5 weeks. One of them I tried a scrog screen, which was 18"x24" which is 3 square foot. That screen with one plant produced 9.5oz of dried and cured bud. So when I say in theory, I ment that in one half of my flower tent, which would be 16 square foot (same tent as yours) I could in theory fit 5 of those screens and thus 5x the 9.5 oz.
As it happens I physically couldn't scrog 5 screens in veg because although my veg tent is 1.2x1.2m its impossible to get in there and train them with the limited space and I couldn't get them out of there to train them, nor could I do the under net trimming that would be needed to keep the plants the way they would need to be.
I did yield over 23oz though from those 3 plants in that half of my 2.4x1.2 under 660w of COBs. Strain was incredible bulk and I have to say there was nothing incredible about it, although its a real nice smoke, it wasn't bigger than any other strain ive done and wasn't particularly dense, but it was very resinous so maybe some of the weight came from that.
Looking at them pre harvest I was hoping for 5 oz per plant and 6oz on the Scrogged one. So when I did the weigh in I was pretty amazed. Its by far a record for me.
 

coreywebster

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No, it's still only 600w per plant.

5400w over 9 plants is exactly that, 5400w over 9 plants.
Then after that the bigger the room/larger the space the plants/lights are spread out over, the less yield you get from each plant.
I don't think you can discount the stray light that acts as side lighting, multiple light sources are always better than single, less light loss at walls, less shadowing that you have on single light sources, that equals much greater lower buds and more weight.
The more lights the better as all that light cross over adds up since the light isn't lost its just spread out , inverse square law and all that. Yeah its travelling further, spreading out and becoming less useful, but combined with light number 2,3,4,5 ect its suddenly enough to produce dense buds lower down where a single 600 wouldn't.
 

GiveMeKnowledge

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I'd like to see a photo of those exact plants at finish because they barely fit into that space as it is with next to fuck all penetration and they look to only be about 3 weeks in.

If those plants pull 20oz each in that environment then I'd calling the quality of this 20oz in to question.

They're cramped in so early with no healthy space to fill out solid colas.
Each branch has plenty space buddy airflow is good even in the centres .. I'll keep you posted and yes 3 weeks in . Temps 24 max humidity slightly high at 50 but I'm getting a dehumidifier in there soon. The plants getting enough light don't worry about that if I start to think the bottoms ain't getting what they need I'll drop another 600 near the deck...I'm off this thread anyway but I'll keep you posted yorkie.
 

makka

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The work it takes to maintain a proper scrog is hard and it was for that reason I stopped to save my already knackered back n neck but my best weights was with a scrog But I couldn't do it full time

Dst does some nice verts gotta say I would try that if I had the head room tho seems easier to maintain?
 

coreywebster

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The work it takes to maintain a proper scrog is hard and it was for that reason I stopped to save my already knackered back n neck but my best weights was with a scrog But I couldn't do it full time

Dst does some nice verts gotta say I would try that if I had the head room tho seems easier to maintain?
Theres some great vert scrogs about this place. Some crazy shit, yeah I think defo easier to manage. One of the vert threads I follow the fella has them on wheels each plant in its own net to create a hexagon around some CMH I think.. Looks real easy to sort out.
Then theres the Ukrainian dude Sedan in the vert section.. Built his own set up. That's just walls of buds top to bottom.
 

The Yorkshireman

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I don't think you can discount the stray light that acts as side lighting, multiple light sources are always better than single, less light loss at walls, less shadowing that you have on single light sources, that equals much greater lower buds and more weight.
The more lights the better as all that light cross over adds up since the light isn't lost its just spread out , inverse square law and all that. Yeah its travelling further, spreading out and becoming less useful, but combined with light number 2,3,4,5 ect its suddenly enough to produce dense buds lower down where a single 600 wouldn't.

No.

There is only ever 600w maximum of light coming from each bulb onto each plant.

If a theoretical 20% of this light gets reflected onto another plant then the other plant does not get 620w of light, as ALL plants have theoretically had 20% of light reflected onto another plant.

5400w in a room is exactly that, 5400w in a room.
All 5400w of that light is enclosed in the same room getting bounced around all over.
There is still only ever 5400w of light in that room no matter how that light is getting spread about, making still only 600w maximum per plant.

Now the inverse square law thing comes in to play when you make the size of your room bigger with the same amount of light and the same amount of plants.
A 20sqm room with 10 plants under 10 bulbs will yield significantly less than a 10sqm room with 10 plants under 10 bulbs, because the same amount of light is utilized over a much larger space making light intensity for each plant much less (given the same parameters and it's just a case of a scale up in space and spread).
 
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The Yorkshireman

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Some of my pals are getting 35oz a plant with 4 week veg... and yes you read that right!
Several legend growers in your circle then?

Gypsys round here some can't even read or write getting these results
Fuck me, even the pikeys are legend growers!

my buddy IS pulling 35 a plant consistently
It was several of your mates and also local gypos earlier.

The guy who designed the system works at premier grow in hinkley,
Actually people like Krusty and Heath Robinson created them back in the early 90's, Heath Robinson especially.
Mr Graham in Hinkley has just copied a now generic design that is actually decades old.
 

The Yorkshireman

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Look on the system website says on there it's breaking all the records.
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It's called fucking marketing, chat the hype shit to noobs who have more money than sense. lol

But what records would these be without any context whatsoever? :neutral:

Are they these records?.......

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It's just the same as any other generic, made in China combo system on the market. Except it's a stupidly overpriced generic, made in China combo system.
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And it simply doesn't have the physical capacity to grow high yield plants, especially with just 1 single 600w light per plant, look at the size of the pipes and buckets ffs.
Compare that ordinary system that is available absolutely anywhere to the systems actually used in practice to grow 30-40+ oz plants, everything is bigger.
The buckets and water pipes are all far bigger for a reason, more flow, more water, more everything.
 
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