Things to Know About Lighting

Hey ya easy on the stealin dude, were potheads not crack heads lmao. Geeze dude Ive been workin the same job for 15 years, In never think bout stealin but Im 43 years old so Ive already learned fron my stupid mistakes in life. So dont go stealin and givin us potheads a bad name k ???????

i have a single 100W metal halide on a singel plant in an small enclosure. enclosure is very well ventilated, temp and humid are good. is 100 watts going to get me threw veg? was going to add 100W of HPS to flower? ??

whats up my fellow blazers lol.. I have a question does it matter how many lights you have cause i plan on gettin like 8 or 10 CFL 40 watts..yea its a lil on the cheap side but will it produce?? btw im growin about 4 or 5 plants

iBlaze DrO said:

whats up my fellow blazers lol.. I have a question does it matter how many lights you have cause i plan on gettin like 8 or 10 CFL 40 watts..yea its a lil on the cheap side but will it produce?? btw im growin about 4 or 5 plants

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Hell yup it matters sunny boy !! Dont go with cfls though. Heres my advice and I wouldnt shit a shitter, Go to walmart and grab a bout 4 of those 10 dollar grow lights they sell now. Buy a cheap roll of duct tape while u r there. Go home and tape the individual lights together, duct taping the ends to make a killer 24" grow light. To hang just wrap nylon rope around duct tape at the end in between the pair of lights . U might wanna get a 6 outlet plug because u have to plug in each light individually. They have over 1100 lumens each, With a 75 watt output each but uses only 17 watts of power. so basically 4 lights = over 4400 lumens 300 watt output and will grow your plants short green and bushy with a 7800k spectrum color. You could even buy the regular 4200 k 24" light, really just the same model 7020. The grow lights are model 7020gl. For some reason the regular bulbs are only 9 bucks. Oh ur welcome bro smoke up. My freind uses 6 of em taped together his plants are so friggin bushy !! He gets em about 8 to 12 inches tall then puts em into flower, It makes ur nodes really close together so when u put under hps light and ur plant stretches. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guitarman7311 said:

Hell yup it matters sunny boy !! Dont go with cfls though. Heres my advice and I wouldnt shit a shitter, Go to walmart and grab a bout 4 of those 10 dollar grow lights they sell now. Buy a cheap roll of duct tape while u r there. Go home and tape the individual lights together, duct taping the ends to make a killer 24" grow light. To hang just wrap nylon rope around duct tape at the end in between the pair of lights . U might wanna get a 6 outlet plug because u have to plug in each light individually. They have over 1100 lumens each, With a 75 watt output each but uses only 17 watts of power. so basically 4 lights = over 4400 lumens 300 watt output and will grow your plants short green and bushy with a 7800k spectrum color. You could even buy the regular 4200 k 24" light, really just the same model 7020. The grow lights are model 7020gl. For some reason the regular bulbs are only 9 bucks. Oh ur welcome bro smoke up. My freind uses 6 of em taped together his plants are so friggin bushy !! He gets em about 8 to 12 inches tall then puts em into flower, It makes ur nodes really close together so when u put under hps light and ur plant stretches. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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good lookin i plan on gettin em today

iBlaze DrO said:

good lookin i plan on gettin em today

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Kewl. yes the plant in the pic was grown under them for I believe that was around 2 weeks. I had to pullem but long story there. Anyways I wish u luck and privacy. By the way that is a 9 inch pot. pretty sad I had to pull that 1 boo hoo.

iBlaze DrO said:

whats up my fellow blazers lol.. I have a question does it matter how many lights you have cause i plan on gettin like 8 or 10 CFL 40 watts..yea its a lil on the cheap side but will it produce?? btw im growin about 4 or 5 plants

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in my OPINION your guna waste your time inless you get at least a 4oowatt mh, i mean fer 4 plants at least. and some co2/nutes. if not your not guna get more then a half i bet. not really worth the risk but i guess we all start somewhere, goodluck with your crop bro.

thanks everyone for the info

K, I have been growing for `bout 7 years (on this stretch, I grew few years ago but not counting that) I just finished a series of light trials. I used to use sunlight, in a BIG shed with a perspex roof. All natural it grew adequate plants for my own needs but nothing great.
Then I moved into a place where I couldn`t really use the shed `cos theres not enough light to the garden. (too many surrounding trees).
So I grow in two double cupboards. First I tried Flourescents and I was happy for a while, again adequate plants for my needs but not great.
Then I made the foray into testing the new LED lighting. What a bloody dissapointment!! to say the least. Not enough heat to keep them warm, and the main problem with led`s is that you can`t concentrate the light in one area. The bigger the spread of your array of lights the bigger the spread of the actual light coverage. That was crap, don`t do it.
Then I took the advice of others and went for the 400 watt hps.
Damn! It was too hot even with the fan going all the time the lights were on, two feet above the plants it still burnt the leaves.
Bottom line..... for a two by three foot cupboard I have a 250 watt HPS I use the fan set on timer to keep the heat at optimum. And my plants are the best ever!!! I love them again.
I still use floro`s for seedlings and cuttings in the second cupboard and thats fine, but the best lighting now is my 250 watt hps. Will never change it now.

did you have the 400 in a cool tube???

do you still have the 400??

would you try the 400 with a cool tube?

Check my sig for 2 DIY cool tube projects...

I have a 600 HPS in a tent that is 36x20x60..and I keep it 10" from my plants with zero issues... temps in the lower 70's...

best of luck...

how many plants you got under the 250 billy?

Am I correct is saying that if I want to do a five plant set up in a 4 by 5 area I will basically need a 1000 watt HPS. That seem like it would get stupid hot really fast. Can the lumens be to high? Can I use a lower wattage, say 600 if I use good reflectors?

Vitus.Syndrome said:

Am I correct is saying that if I want to do a five plant set up in a 4 by 5 area I will basically need a 1000 watt HPS. That seem like it would get stupid hot really fast. Can the lumens be to high? Can I use a lower wattage, say 600 if I use good reflectors?

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I use a cool tubed 600 watt HPS in my homemade tent... it's 95,000 lumens in 5 sq ft...

That's 19,000 lumens per square foot...

So I say get an aircooled reflector, a kick ass fan dedicated to your hood and slap that 1000 watter in there...

Oh and did I mention I keep my 600 TEN INCHES from my plants with 75F..?

Yeah..

best of Luck mate....

So a thousand should work, just need to hella cool it, Awesome
I wish these lights weren't so damn expensive.

Vitus.Syndrome said:

So a thousand should work, just need to hella cool it, Awesome
I wish these lights weren't so damn expensive.

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I would deff. recommend a DIY coo tube... and a DIY Batwing reflector...

You can find them both in the GrowFAQ which is a great place ...

But here.. this is a good place to start...

How do I build my own Cool Tube?

Best of luck mate...

Titan4jah said:

in my OPINION your guna waste your time inless you get at least a 4oowatt mh, i mean fer 4 plants at least. and some co2/nutes. if not your not guna get more then a half i bet. not really worth the risk but i guess we all start somewhere, goodluck with your crop bro.

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Yes but mh lights put out a lot of heat and I dont believe u can get a complete setup for under 50 bucks. Yes mh is better but belive me dont knock those Walmart lights till ya try em. Let ur plants grow bout a month under em and u will see how green and bushy they get. I dont suggest flowering under floros although Ive never tried. I suggest a hps 400 watter if u can afford 1 in a couple a months cause ur plants will be bushy with ur nodes under those walmart lights will only be an inch or so apart and need to stretch for maximum light. Hps lights will stretch em out and grow some narly thick buds..

Vitus.Syndrome said:

So a thousand should work, just need to hella cool it, Awesome
I wish these lights weren't so damn expensive.

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A 1000 watter is way to much. 4 plants will be great under a 400 watt hps. Get the agro bulbs with a bluer spectrum. Trust me a 400 watter will grow 4 healthy plants and cost half as much in electric. Or if ur afraid its not enuff for 5 plants get another 250 watt hps. 400 should do er though.

That isn't correct, search PlanetGanja and Cannabis boards and you can find a lot of threads on the advanced theories and practice of growing using LEDs, it mainly comes down to most people attempting LED grows are using inferior quality or simply not powerful enough LEDs. From what I've personally seen and heard a proper setup using high power aka class 2 LEDs (Cree Xlamps, Luxeon Rebels, and Ledengin (which come from individual wattages of 5-15W) would basically demolish all other currently availabe forms of lighting in PAR and PUR. The main arguements going back and fourth are beam angle related, underdriving vs overdriving, the use of light near 660nm to create artificial darkness.

With that inmind however, one must note at the current prices for these higher end components, initial cost is much steeper, however once one factors in electrical costs (assuming you aren't solar, wind, etc) it does indeed even out, even at this moment. I believe in the November 2008 issue of High Times Jorge Cervantes reviewed a Spanish built UFO type LED vs a 400W HPS and a 600WHPS, the yeild to electrical price ration in this particular example was a net loss of 15% of yeild however when costs were factored in this was nearly even, and I in no way assert this is the most effective design.

Please in no way insult the thousands of man hours being put into the serious and hobbiest application of LED technology as a long term revolution in horicultural lighting.

I my self bought a Chinese panel which is apparently underdriven unnamed brand 10mm LEDs in an array of 72 Red vs 40 Blue. I was a victim of misrepresentation, but from that mistake I have done significant amounts of research on the topic. I'll put it to you like my forum buddy Weezard put it to me, 5mm? Not It, 10mm? Not It Either, 1W, Little Bit, 5W Getting There, 15W? Can Do. He's using an array of 4x RED 15W 1x BLUE 15W underdriven so his guesstimation of total used wattage is 60, and the guy seems upright to me and he claims to have colas the size of his fist under that unperfected but raw power set up. here's a link to the thread where he responded to my questions for your own inspection

The perfect LED grow light - Page 60 - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News

Those Ledengin LEDs he is using are around thirty dollars per, but colas the size of my fist with a 60W power bill sounds like the future to me.

SayWord said:

how many plants you got under the 250 billy?

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I have two large plants, and I mean a nice spread of bushy plant. And three smaller plants in one tub. The two large plants are doing bloody great!!
I only grow for my own weed, 250w HPS is plenty. The guy I bought it off also used 400w like me, then changed to 250`s.
I never wanted to spend money on my grows, whats the point?? Like I say, its just for my own smokes, I want it nice and cheap.
As for the guy who suggested usng 1000w in a small space, jeeez thats just going to nuke your plants!!!

Okey and you`ll pardon my french. Bollocks to the guy who spent $1800 on led`s.
Sorry keep it short, tell it like it is. I grow my own `cos I want cheap weed and thats what I get, and plenty of it.