Thought you were safe from the feds?

cruzer101

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In a nut shell, The Federal Government with (a court order) got the State of Michigan's list of registered medical marijuana users and intend on prosecuting seven individuals.


GRAND RAPIDS – The state agency that compiles confidential medical-marijuana information will comply with a federal request for access to its records if ordered to do so by a judge, the state said in court filings.
A hearing is Wednesday morning.
The state Department of Community Health, citing confidentiality laws, refused a June request by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration for access to records. The DEA had subpoenaed the records as part of its investigation into seven people in the Lansing area.
In court records, state Attorney General Bill Schuette and Assistant Attorney General Joshua Smith quoted confidentiality provisions in the medical-marijuana law: “Applications and supporting information submitted by qualifying patients, including information regarding their primary caregivers and physicians, are confidential.”
The law says those who violate confidentiality requirements can be charged with a misdemeanor and face civil penalties.
After the DEA served the June 6 subpoena, the state health agency said it could comply with the request only if it received a court order.
While state voters backed the use of medical marijuana, the drug remains illegal under federal law, which supersedes state law.
“Pursuant to the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, (Department of Community Health) understands it must comply with a valid court order to provide the requested information, and that DCH, its employees and agents, will be immunized from liability for providing information that is confidential … ,” the assistant attorney general wrote.
“Accordingly, DCH will comply with a valid order from this court requiring DCH to comply with the DEA subpoena. The order should also make clear that, pursuant to the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, DCH, its employees and agents will be immunized from liability for providing information that is confidential” under the medical-marijuana law.”
The hearing is set at 9 a.m. Wednesday before U.S. District Magistrate Judge Hugh Brenneman Jr.
The DEA wants "copies of any and all documents, records, applications, payment method of any application for Medical Marijuana Patient Cards and Medical Marijuana Caregiver cards and copies of front and back of any cards located for the seven named individuals."
The names of the seven were redacted in court records.
 

peilo

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as far as I read they are having to subpoena them, doesn't mean they will be released. We will all know shortly today, For the most update news, check out the twitter feed
 

SCCA

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thats why your medical recommendation should be between you and your doctor. you don't need to register with the state to take vicodin why would you do it for cannabis? i dont know what other states laws are like but in cali registering with the state is optional.
 

420God

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Even if it were "legal" in my state I wouldn't let anyone know about it until it was legal under federal law.

You're just giving them a name and a location to bust you otherwise.
 

Kaptain Kron

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doesnt matter if your registered with the state or with your doctor. If the feds want you they can get you just as easily by subpeoning your doctors records on account that your doctor is distributing an illeagal substance. So why care if your registered with the state well ill tell you.... Have you ever handed a cop your med card and he laughed at it. Well i did that to a cop with my state card, first he almost arrested me for fake ID then he actually called the number on the card and checked the website and was in shock and awe. The cop told his partner never to fuck with me again. I've since been pulled over by other officers in the same department for other things and have had weed on me and they have seen it and i ask if they want to see my card they just tell me no because they already know what the deal is. Its safer. If the feds want u they will get u. Protect urself from the state.

thats why your medical recommendation should be between you and your doctor. you don't need to register with the state to take vicodin why would you do it for cannabis? i dont know what other states laws are like but in cali registering with the state is optional.
 

$Mike$

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Even if it were "legal" in my state I wouldn't let anyone know about it until it was legal under federal law.

You're just giving them a name and a location to bust you otherwise.
I really think people are not that smart about rights. My recondemation is between me and my doctor. If grow 2 plants or 100 nobody will ever know.
 

Shangeet

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thats why your medical recommendation should be between you and your doctor. you don't need to register with the state to take vicodin why would you do it for cannabis? i dont know what other states laws are like but in cali registering with the state is optional.
pretty sure of it...

Although federal government currently does not recognize California’s medical cannabis laws (Possession, cultivation, and use of medical marijuana are illegal under federal law – even for qualified patients) the State does support the use of medical marijuana as an alternative treatment and therefore support California’s medical marijuana laws.

The California Highway Patrol (CHP) has agreed to stop taking cannabis from motorists in routine traffic stops as long as they have an official medical marijuana doctor's recommendation.

Attorney General Bill Lockyer affirmed that medical marijuana use is sanctioned by California law.

Officers are now informed of the policy, which now allows patients traveling on state highways to have as much as 8 ounces of marijuana if they have written approval from a physician.
 

TheNovadude

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yeah officer i was going up the hwy to visit my brother, and he only lives 50 miles away, but if i get stranded i gotta have my meds, all six pounds of it, lol
 

curious2garden

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thats why your medical recommendation should be between you and your doctor. you don't need to register with the state to take vicodin why would you do it for cannabis? i dont know what other states laws are like but in cali registering with the state is optional.
It is interesting to note that scheduled drugs are tracked by pharmacy databases that link to a centralized state database. If you are interested you can read a little more here
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pharm2/pharm_content.htm (you need to scroll down to Prescription Monitoring Programs). The information here is intentionally vague but you get the idea.

Registration with the state via your counties local Department of Public Health Services is a bad idea because of the quicksand of shifting federal policy and the persistence of Marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug.

Even if it were "legal" in my state I wouldn't let anyone know about it until it was legal under federal law.

You're just giving them a name and a location to bust you otherwise.
Security through obscurity is the least expensive first line defense available to everyone. We should all use it.

It's also why we need to focus on full legalization. Now would be a good time to write Governor Brown and ask him to join with Gov. Chafee and Gov. Gregoire in supporting the re-scheduling of Marijuana with preferably full legalization and concomitant removal from the CSA schedule system or, at least, reduction to Schedule 5.

2012 is a presidential election year and we need to reject the placating tactics of promised lenient Federal policies. We have all seen those policies can be reneged upon at any point and without any forewarning.

doesnt matter if your registered with the state or with your doctor. If the feds want you they can get you just as easily by subpeoning your doctors records on account that your doctor is distributing an illeagal substance. ......snip......
This was already worked out in Connant V. McCaffrey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Marcus_Conant,_et_al.,_v._McCaffrey_et_al.

Getting a Subpoena Duces Tecum on medical records, that you are not a primary party in, is not easy. You have to appear before a judge and justify precisely what you expect to find and offer supporting, objective, evidence why opening these records are necessary.

Distributing, under the CA medical board definition means you are actively involved with the handing out of a scheduled substance. It is a form of diversion and has nothing to do with the act of recommendation.

A mere statement by the DEA that your physician gave you a recommendation for medical marijuana is not enough to open your medical records and most judges would be irritated by any such request.

pretty sure of it...

Although federal government currently does not recognize California’s medical cannabis laws (Possession, cultivation, and use of medical marijuana are illegal under federal law – even for qualified patients) the State does support the use of medical marijuana as an alternative treatment and therefore support California’s medical marijuana laws.

The California Highway Patrol (CHP) has agreed to stop taking cannabis from motorists in routine traffic stops as long as they have an official medical marijuana doctor's recommendation.

Attorney General Bill Lockyer affirmed that medical marijuana use is sanctioned by California law.

Officers are now informed of the policy, which now allows patients traveling on state highways to have as much as 8 ounces of marijuana if they have written approval from a physician.
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