To feed or not to feed. That is my question

GarageGardener69 said:

Yeah reused FFOF and I am not pH downing my water. I have a shit Vivo sun one but don’t really trust it. Tap from street is at 7pH I know I should be at 6.4 range but I’m banking on the soil adjusting on its own

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Good. That stuff can cause problems. And your soil with buffer itself if it's good and active. But I just saw the soil sat dry for a year. Adding some EWC or a good EWC tea could help add microbes. My guess is the pH is getting too low. Or you've got dry spots.

If it was me I would add EWC and water them good with plain water or maybe add some extra microbes if you have a bottle of them too and watch them. Add a wetting agent like yucca if the soil's became hydroponic. If it sat dry for a year I wouldn't be surprised if it was hydrophobic.

PadawanWarrior said:

Good. That stuff can cause problems. And your soil with buffer itself if it's good and active. But I just saw the soil sat dry for a year. Adding some EWC or a good EWC tea could help add microbes. My guess is the pH is getting too low. Or you've got dry spots.

If it was me I would add EWC and water them good with plain water or maybe add some extra microbes if you have a bottle of them too and watch them. Add a wetting agent like yucca if the soil's became hydroponic. If it sat dry for a year I wouldn't be surprised if it was hydrophobic.

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yeah soil was super dry and still could be. I just dump 48ozof water in a few seconds and flood the top of container I used to slowly water with this squirt bottle. Probably going to go back to that.
I do have EWC and great white myco

GarageGardener69 said:

yeah soil was super dry and still could be. I just dump 48ozof water in a few seconds and flood the top of container I used to slowly water with this squirt bottle. Probably going to go back to that.
I do have EWC and great white myco

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Make a tea or topdress EWC and throw some Great White in the water too since you've got it. And water super slow. You could poke a chopstick or something around in the soil too if you need too. Peat moss is known for getting hydrophobic but it's easy to fix.

PadawanWarrior said:

Make a tea or topdress EWC and throw some Great White in the water too since you've got it. And water super slow. You could poke a chopstick or something around in the soil too if you need too. Peat moss is known for getting hydrophobic but it's easy to fix.

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Thank you ! Will update later. Just turned the light down a little bait because temps were hitting 82F Down to 79 already
Maybe try and do a 20/4 light schedule. See if a break from light helps any. Probably hitting max dli in this 3x3 with ~300 watts?

GarageGardener69 said:

Thank you ! Will update later. Just turned the light down a little bait because temps were hitting 82F Down to 79 already
Maybe try and do a 20/4 light schedule. See if a break from light helps any. Probably hitting max dli in this 3x3 with ~300 watts?

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I think water is what it wants most right now. If the soil is dry the microbes can't do what they need to. It doesn't matter with salts since the microbes aren't needed to break down the nutrients, but pH is still important. So it would make sense that they looked a little better after the FF Trio salts you used but I wouldn't use that anymore personally. The Big Bloom is cool though so I'd keep using it. Big Bloom is just organic stuff like EWC, guano, etc.

And 82 degrees is about perfect for LED. But 79 is all good too.

You're in flower so I wouldn't give less light unless you know it's too high. You should at least download a free LUX meter for a cellphone. They can help.

Edit: I don't grow auto's though so I couldn't really tell you if 24/0, 20/4, or 18/6 is best.

PadawanWarrior said:

I think water is what it wants most right now. If the soil is dry the microbes can't do what they need to. It doesn't matter with salts since the microbes aren't needed to break down the nutrients, but pH is still important. So it would make sense that they looked a little better after the FF Trio salts you used but I wouldn't use that anymore personally. The Big Bloom is cool though so I'd keep using it. Big Bloom is just organic stuff like EWC, guano, etc.

And 82 degrees is about perfect for LED. But 79 is all good too.

You're in flower so I wouldn't give less light unless you know it's too high. You should at least download a free LUX meter for a cellphone. They can help.

Edit: I don't grow auto's though so I couldn't really tell you if 24/0, 20/4, or 18/6 is best.

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yesterday morning I mixed up about 2-1/4 gallons of water (6 bottles I have, 1.5 bottles per container) slow watered them all, super heavy but not much, if any run off..

in that water I added 1/4 teaspoon of Epsom salt
1 tablespoon of Big Bloom
And 1 mL of CalMag to each of the 6 bottles

Before watering I also added a small handful of EWC to the top of the soil that I had just poked with a long skewer and softened up the top 1” or so of soil.
Oh and also 1/8 teaspoon of great white myco to the top of soil before I watered

Upped the ink bird to 80*F, min 75*F.
Poured some water in the drain trays I have in hopes of upping humidity

I’ll check out the LUX meter and see how to convert to DLI

going to stay on 24/0 cycle now cause of weather outside, ~30°F

Here are some pictures as of today. They definitely perked up but I am seeing more signs of leaf stress. I’m sure it’ll get worse before it gets better and obviously won’t happen over night

lmk what you all think
Thanks!

GarageGardener69 said:

yesterday morning I mixed up about 2-1/4 gallons of water (6 bottles I have, 1.5 bottles per container) slow watered them all, super heavy but not much, if any run off..

in that water I added 1/4 teaspoon of Epsom salt
1 tablespoon of Big Bloom
And 1 mL of CalMag to each of the 6 bottles

Before watering I also added a small handful of EWC to the top of the soil that I had just poked with a long skewer and softened up the top 1” or so of soil.
Oh and also 1/8 teaspoon of great white myco to the top of soil before I watered

Upped the ink bird to 80*F, min 75*F.
Poured some water in the drain trays I have in hopes of upping humidity

I’ll check out the LUX meter and see how to convert to DLI

going to stay on 24/0 cycle now cause of weather outside, ~30°F

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Nice. They look a little better I think. I would just keep doing water only. There still might be some dry spots in there. You did good how you watered. Don't you add the Great White to water though? And you can use whatever measurement you want for light intensity. I just use LUX since I downloaded a free LUX app.

PadawanWarrior said:

Nice. They look a little better I think. I would just keep doing water only. There still might be some dry spots in there. You did good how you watered. Don't you add the Great White to water though? And you can use whatever measurement you want for light intensity. I just use LUX since I downloaded a free LUX app.

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Yeah they’ve definitely perked up since. Those few lower leaves do have some rust marks on them, maybe I missed them before but with the watering, raising temps and I now have the light on full blast. Cold day today, using the extra light for heat. Will see what it does to the tops.. all the leaves are flat out with a slight roll to them

downloaded a lux meter on phone but have to mess with it more. Quickly stuck it in tent and got a 85,000 lux reading at canopy top and that means like 1300 ppfd according to HLGs calculator

great white can be added directly to medium too it says on container I have done waterings in the past with it added but only that. No other ferts or whatever

doing the next waterings without anything added. Maybe water sooner than I’d think to normally just to keep a slightly more moist medium

thank you for responding

GarageGardener69 said:

Yeah they’ve definitely perked up since. Those few lower leaves do have some rust marks on them, maybe I missed them before but with the watering, raising temps and I now have the light on full blast. Cold day today, using the extra light for heat. Will see what it does to the tops.. all the leaves are flat out with a slight roll to them

downloaded a lux meter on phone but have to mess with it more. Quickly stuck it in tent and got a 85,000 lux reading at canopy top and that means like 1300 ppfd according to HLGs calculator

great white can be added directly to medium too it says on container I have done waterings in the past with it added but only that. No other ferts or whatever

doing the next waterings without anything added. Maybe water sooner than I’d think to normally just to keep a slightly more moist medium

thank you for responding

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85,000 is a bit high, but not all phones and apps work as well as others. If that's right I'd turn down the light or raise it if you can. I'm sure the Great White is fine just thrown on top too, but I was thinking it would get more evenly distributed in the water. Either way though glad to see they're coming around.

What’s up everyone

wanted to update this situation I have

I think this may be lock out now?
Watered yesterday morning with some added Fulvic acid .75 mL to each
And ~8mL of this fish and kelp blend

the mephistos are looking pretty good. Definitely bulking up

some leaves still have some signs of something, not sure what though. Mostly on lower leaves.

error seeds Kali mist is doing the worst as far as leaves still discoloring and crisping up.



the next 3 are the mephistos Sour stomper looks the best of all, very little signs of something on the leaves



sky walker is stacking nice but still have leaves looking a bit off




And 3 bears is kinda between





over all canopy is looking better, definitely bigger in the past almost week.


what do you all think it could be now?
Planning to water again maybe tomorrow morning

not sure if I should add anything to water though
Water is not being pH’d currently but assuming to be around 7 maybe 7.2. Had a Vivosun one but I really don’t trust it

thank you

GarageGardener69 said:

What’s up everyone

wanted to update this situation I have

I think this may be lock out now?
Watered yesterday morning with some added Fulvic acid .75 mL to each
And ~8mL of this fish and kelp blend

the mephistos are looking pretty good. Definitely bulking up

some leaves still have some signs of something, not sure what though. Mostly on lower leaves.

error seeds Kali mist is doing the worst as far as leaves still discoloring and crisping up.

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the next 3 are the mephistos Sour stomper looks the best of all, very little signs of something on the leaves

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sky walker is stacking nice but still have leaves looking a bit off


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And 3 bears is kinda between



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over all canopy is looking better, definitely bigger in the past almost week.
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what do you all think it could be now?
Planning to water again maybe tomorrow morning

not sure if I should add anything to water though
Water is not being pH’d currently but assuming to be around 7 maybe 7.2. Had a Vivosun one but I really don’t trust it

thank you

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Maybe toxicity or low pH.

If it was me I'd do plain water, but I have a feeling the soil pH might be on the low side. At least it's a possibility. I think I remember you saying you were adjusting the water pH with pH down before but maybe that wasn't you. Also fulvic acid can lower the pH, so if you've used a bunch of that too it would make sense. The fish fertilizer stuff is probably acidic too. So if your water is around 7 and you add that stuff the pH is probably like 5 in the water. The soil can buffer the pH up to a point, but if you add too much acid you need to balance it back. Basically the more acidic the water going in is, the faster the buffer will wear down.

PadawanWarrior said:

Maybe toxicity or low pH.

If it was me I'd do plain water, but I have a feeling the soil pH might be on the low side. At least it's a possibility. I think I remember you saying you were adjusting the water pH with pH down before but maybe that wasn't you. Also fulvic acid can lower the pH, so if you've used a bunch of that too it would make sense. The fish fertilizer stuff is probably acidic too. So if your water is around 7 and you add that stuff the pH is probably like 5 in the water. The soil can buffer the pH up to a point, but if you add too much acid you need to balance it back. Basically the more acidic the water going in is, the faster the buffer will wear down.

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ahh ha. True that. Thank you!
may just suck it up and buy a blue lab or whatever that good one for like 100$ is

I used to use citric acid to down the pH

didn’t think of the stuff I added could also affect pH. Duh lol

yeah plain water was the plan Maybe at most adding some Epsom salt or something but only if it would help anything.

GarageGardener69 said:

ahh ha. True that. Thank you!
may just suck it up and buy a blue lab or whatever that good one for like 100$ is

I used to use citric acid to down the pH

didn’t think of the stuff I added could also affect pH. Duh lol

yeah plain water was the plan Maybe at most adding some Epsom salt or something but only if it would help anything.

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I have the Blue Lab soil pen. It was like $150. The Apera one is a little better though. I wouldn't bother with the Epsom. Just water only. I actually might even try pH up if you have it. This thread is pretty interesting.

Nice. I’ll check the Apera one out thanks again!
going to do some reading now

GarageGardener69 said:

Nice. I’ll check the Apera one out thanks again!
going to do some reading now

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The Apera I'm talking about has changeable tips. They have a bunch but I'm talking about the one that's like $170 or something. Not the super advanced one some of those guys have in that thread.

Yea Amazon has a ton of options Reading into it Appreciate your help

GarageGardener69 said:

Yea Amazon has a ton of options Reading into it Appreciate your help

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I'd try to buy it somewhere else, but that's me.

PadawanWarrior said:

I'd try to buy it somewhere else, but that's me.

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Why’s that?

GarageGardener69 said:

Why’s that?

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Lost all my trust in them. I've had them send used grow equipment before. They have fake shit sometimes. Their customer service is an abomination now. And they hijacked Thursday Night Football, .