trayvan martin

MyndMy

MyndMy

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MuyLocoNC said:
Zimmerman did have a right to pursue Martin, to what end is key to the legality. Could he not pursue him if he was trying to return a wallet he saw him drop? Pursuit in and of itself is NOT illegal.

Zimmerman absolutely has a right to ask Martin a question, verbal exchange is not illegal in almost any scenario.
You are correct in that Martin had every right to tell him to fuck off. You are also correct on Zimmerman having no right to detain him, but that is just the wild conjecture of a few posters on this thread, there is ZERO evidence that documents Zimmerman trying to detain Martin, so far. That could change, obviously.
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All fine and good but and i hate to say this cause some won't understand and say I'm repeating myself. But to express my concerns I will say that if you are the antagonist in a confrontation who is openly carrying a fire arm, if you start a fight once you pull a weapon you escalate the event. If you kill someone then you have premeditated the act of murder.

this coupled with the actual facts of this case is what most jurys will take into consideration. let us not skew our views with what they may have been thinking, or what their mind-sets where at the time.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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MyndMy said:
All fine and good but and i hate to say this cause some won't understand and say I'm repeating myself. But to express my concerns I will say that if you are the antagonist in a confrontation who is openly carrying a fire arm, if you start a fight once you pull a weapon you escalate the event. If you kill someone then you have premeditated the act of murder.

this coupled with the actual facts of this case is what most jurys will take into consideration. let us not skew our views with what they may have been thinking, or what their mind-sets where at the time.
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Fair enough. I just don't like it when speculation is stated as fact in this debate or the unending and incorrect assertions of what isn't "legal". Until the question "why hasn't the prosecutor filed other charges" is intelligently answered in a way that changes my mind, I'm going to stick to the assumption that EVERYTHING Zimmerman did leading up the the physical altercation, was legal. This prosecutor wouldn't fail to throw every charge she could at him.
 
doc111

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londonfog said:
wow unfuckingbelievable..Trayvon did doing nothing that night but go to the store and people type this type of shit. Yup thats why I stay the way I am and teach my kids to do the same.
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Did I say that Trayvon was casing the place? No! Did I say Trayvon was doing anything wrong? No! I asked, "How do you, or anybody else for that matter, know that Trayvon was "innocent"?" It's a fair question. I didn't say he was doing anything wrong, but how do YOU or ANYBODY else here actually know this? And if it APPEARED that he was doing anything wrong, wouldn't it be reasonable that he MIGHT be confronted. I'm not saying it's right, but I've been in that situation where my neighborhood was being plagued by burglaries. I confronted people who were acting sketchy and asked them what they were doing. They would either stop and respond to me or they would take off running. I just love how people like YOU ASSume that you know what kind of kid Trayvon was. I had a lot of friends in high school that liked to burglarize homes and cars. Pretty common for 16-17 year old kids to be doing IME. Most kids that age think they are bullet proof. They aren't, but it doesn't stop them from doing the dumbest shit! If you ask me, it's a small miracle that ANY teenager makes it to adulthood with all the stupid, dangerous shit they do. Teaching your kids the right way to interact and making them understand right from wrong and that some people are DANGEROUS is the best way to prevent tragedies like these IMO. I'll say it again, it's awful that this kid is dead. Zimmerman may have his ass handed to him by the courts, or he may walk. I think it will be the latter. Doesn't mean I approve of Zimmerman's actions but y'all act like he is some monster when nobody here even knows either of them! I've been saying it all along, yet all you "Zimmerman haters" seem to want to jump to conclusions, yet when your opposition does it you cry foul! It's pretty damn moronic if you ask me.:dunce:
 
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"Presumed innocent until proven guilty"

^^ How the American justice system works.
was he peeking through windows in cars/homes? was he looking for a way to get inside a house? no. he was walking, talking and texting on the phone with his little girlfriend.

there is absolutely NOTHING sketchy about that. unless your black, of course...

also, do you know if you confront somebody and they run away they have not committed a crime? it is only a crime if you are a police officer and order somebody to stop, and they continue to run. if an undercover cop starts running behind you and doesn't identify himself as a cop, you can run away as far as you can get because it's not a crime to run from somebody if you fear for your life.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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doc111 said:
Did I say that Trayvon was casing the place? No! Did I say Trayvon was doing anything wrong? No! I asked, "How do you, or anybody else for that matter, know that Trayvon was "innocent"?" It's a fair question. I didn't say he was doing anything wrong, but how do YOU or ANYBODY else here actually know this? And if it APPEARED that he was doing anything wrong, wouldn't it be reasonable that he MIGHT be confronted. I'm not saying it's right, but I've been in that situation where my neighborhood was being plagued by burglaries. I confronted people who were acting sketchy and asked them what they were doing. They would either stop and respond to me or they would take off running. I just love how people like YOU ASSume that you know what kind of kid Trayvon was. I had a lot of friends in high school that liked to burglarize homes and cars. Pretty common for 16-17 year old kids to be doing IME. Most kids that age think they are bullet proof. They aren't, but it doesn't stop them from doing the dumbest shit! If you ask me, it's a small miracle that ANY teenager makes it to adulthood with all the stupid, dangerous shit they do. Teaching your kids the right way to interact and making them understand right from wrong and that some people are DANGEROUS is the best way to prevent tragedies like these IMO. I'll say it again, it's awful that this kid is dead. Zimmerman may have his ass handed to him by the courts, or he may walk. I think it will be the latter. Doesn't mean I approve of Zimmerman's actions but y'all act like he is some monster when nobody here even knows either of them! I've been saying it all along, yet all you "Zimmerman haters" seem to want to jump to conclusions, yet when your opposition does it you cry foul! It's pretty damn moronic if you ask me.:dunce:
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Dude WTF ever...Zimmerman himself did not see him do anything wrong. You tell me what he was doing wrong that night. You go making bullshit statements like "maybe he was casing the place". Then when you get called on the BS, you give some story about your fucked up ass neighborhood in which people either answered your questions or ran:roll:.. Hey did you ever call 911 and ignore what the operator just said ???? Did your action kill a young man who was doing nothing but walking to and from a store. Everything I draw my conclusion on are facts. You coming with the bullshit...I just wonder why ???
 
doc111

doc111

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londonfog said:
Dude WTF ever...Zimmerman himself did not see him do anything wrong. You tell me what he was doing wrong that night. You go making bullshit statements like "maybe he was casing the place". Then when you get called on the BS, you give some story about your fucked up ass neighborhood in which people either answered your questions or ran:roll:.. Hey did you ever call 911 and ignore what the operator just said ???? Did your action kill a young man who was doing nothing but walking to and from a store. Everything I draw my conclusion on are facts. You coming with the bullshit...I just wonder why ???
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Ok, then why are you getting so pissy?:? If you are correct that is? Bullshit statements like "MAYBE he was casing the place"? What's wrong with that? I don't know what Zimmerman saw Trayvon doing! I'm guessing neither do you. What I have seen is a lot of speculation and people blindly defending one person or the other even though they don't know either person. Asking me if I've ever called 911 and ignored the operator is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with anything and is a lame attempt to try and deflect. There, happy? Every time I make some comment, you come at me all accusing me of defending Zimmerman although I've NEVER once defended him. I've simply pointed out that none of us really knows what was going through either of their minds that ultimately precipitated this senseless tragedy. Sure, I've raised a couple of hypotheticals in an attempt to illustrate just how stupid it is to try to speculate on something which we have very few of the facts and don't know either person. You say that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong and simply trying to line up some booty and drink some tea and eat skittles. Well, what's wrong with saying that "MAYBE trayvon was casing homes"? While we're at it, I'm also GUESSING Zimmerman regrets most of his actions that evening.:o How many dead kids with bullet holes in their chest have you seen in your life london? I lost count about 15 years ago. It's fucked up and nobody is a winner regardless of the outcome of this case. The media has injected bits of what they want you and I to know, anything else is pure speculation.:-P
 
blindbaby

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its up to the jury and judge to declare a "mrderer". what u have done, is "made false accusation". but, the left is habit for not appologizing for anything. funny. how the news made trevan look and sound, like a "little boy"...odd. in reality, they should show his real size. over 6'. heavy. not the child they portray. of course, any injury to any perosn of color is racist. we need to change the law. so people of color do not have to obey any laws. after all, they are "white man laws" that the evil columbus started. the sooner we evil white folks are extinct, (and its comming!) the happier everyone else will be, and on to finding someone else to CALL RACISTS. cold blooded murder. is not in a fight. thats if its planned, and for no reason. so. worse case senario, he will get manslalughter. but, to be fair, we must also make sure all jurers are black, am i right??? this would be so cool! be black. kill ten people, and get found innocent!!!! hurray! wish i were not white. id go rob the corner store. knowing id be able to turn the blame around on the evil whitey. (if they werent evil, why do they own buisnesses??? lol. lol. the dream of the left, is still alive. thank god i am a reformed lib, now mostly conservative. may not have saved my life, but it has saved my soul. now. wheres my bubbler?...
 
blindbaby

blindbaby

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we, as a society, have let this come to fruition. when noone is punished, for FALSE ACCUSATIONS! what ever happened to "thos shault not bear false witness against thy neighbor"?? the only way they will be happy, is if the law only appies to causcasisons! that way, they can rob,cheat, steal, lie, etc, and , if anyone says one thing, its RACISM!!
WE ALL CAN SEE THAT THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A JOKE, BUT BECOMMING A REALITY!. and we have let this crap stand. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS will be the number one cause of this country failing. if people dont like it here, they can leave!! now, back to being a mmj site.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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doc111 said:
Ok, then why are you getting so pissy?:? If you are correct that is? Bullshit statements like "MAYBE he was casing the place"? What's wrong with that? I don't know what Zimmerman saw Trayvon doing! I'm guessing neither do you. What I have seen is a lot of speculation and people blindly defending one person or the other even though they don't know either person. Asking me if I've ever called 911 and ignored the operator is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with anything and is a lame attempt to try and deflect. There, happy? Every time I make some comment, you come at me all accusing me of defending Zimmerman although I've NEVER once defended him. I've simply pointed out that none of us really knows what was going through either of their minds that ultimately precipitated this senseless tragedy. Sure, I've raised a couple of hypotheticals in an attempt to illustrate just how stupid it is to try to speculate on something which we have very few of the facts and don't know either person. You say that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong and simply trying to line up some booty and drink some tea and eat skittles. Well, what's wrong with saying that "MAYBE trayvon was casing homes"? While we're at it, I'm also GUESSING Zimmerman regrets most of his actions that evening.:o How many dead kids with bullet holes in their chest have you seen in your life london? I lost count about 15 years ago. It's fucked up and nobody is a winner regardless of the outcome of this case. The media has injected bits of what they want you and I to know, anything else is pure speculation.:-P
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again point out anything that I typed that is not a FACT...You typed some bullshit madeup nonsense about Trayvon then defend it be saying "well I did say maybe"...Lame as fuck.
Fact- Trayvon was not reported by Zimmerman for doing anything wrong
Fact-Zimmerman was told he was not needed to follow by the very people he called to get help
Fact-Zimmerman made the statement "These assholes always get away"
Fact-Zimmerman killed Trayvon
 
blindbaby

blindbaby

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many in society get out on bail. why is it a blacks life only important, if a non-black takes it? they never talk about the hundreds of murders that take place daily, of black on black crime. why? it does nothing to promote the "great agenda" that all actions by whites are racist. and all criminals other than white ones, are really just "victims". its the courts job to label "murderer". not ours. and why no coverage of whites being attacked by blacks? must be becasue the attackers are really just victims. innocent. right??? seems to me, the law should apply to all. AND BE LEVELED EQUALLY! of course, us whites are just born racist. we all eat, sleep, and live to be racist!! right. dont blame me for this mess. i voted for the american...
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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blindbaby said:
many in society get out on bail. why is it a blacks life only important, if a non-black takes it? they never talk about the hundreds of murders that take place daily, of black on black crime. why? it does nothing to promote the "great agenda" that all actions by whites are racist. and all criminals other than white ones, are really just "victims". its the courts job to label "murderer". not ours. and why no coverage of whites being attacked by blacks? must be becasue the attackers are really just victims. innocent. right??? seems to me, the law should apply to all. AND BE LEVELED EQUALLY! of course, us whites are just born racist. we all eat, sleep, and live to be racist!! right. dont blame me for this mess. i voted for the american...
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What the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with ANYTHING relating to Trayvon Martin's death? He was walking home with a bag of skittles and tea for his little brother. He used it as an excuse to talk to his girlfriend. Which he was doing. Zimmerman took it upon himself to judge Trayvon and convict him based on sight alone. Then he followed/pursued/stalked Trayvon (depending on the semantics you're fond of) not only in his vehicle but on foot as well. Because ZIMMERMAN decided Trayvon was a criminal. There was a shooting and a 17 year old boy was dead.

AND IT WASN'T EVEN GOING TO TRIAL.

That's what all this is about. Getting equal justice under the law. Now there is a trial and the jury will decide what is appropriate. If Zimmerman walks away then so be it. If he goes to jail then so be it. BUT AT LEAST THE MARTIN FAMILY FINALLY GOT A TRIAL. Everything else is just random verbal farting.
 
londonfog

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Carne Seca said:
What the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with ANYTHING relating to Trayvon Martin's death? He was walking home with a bag of skittles and tea for his little brother. He used it as an excuse to talk to his girlfriend. Which he was doing. Zimmerman took it upon himself to judge Trayvon and convict him based on sight alone. Then he followed/pursued/stalked Trayvon (depending on the semantics you're fond of) not only in his vehicle but on foot as well. Because ZIMMERMAN decided Trayvon was a criminal. There was a shooting and a 17 year old boy was dead.

AND IT WASN'T EVEN GOING TO TRIAL.

That's what all this is about. Getting equal justice under the law. Now there is a trial and the jury will decide what is appropriate. If Zimmerman walks away then so be it. If he goes to jail then so be it. BUT AT LEAST THE MARTIN FAMILY FINALLY GOT A TRIAL. Everything else is just random verbal farting.
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I personally want him unable own a gun let alone CCW.
 
blindbaby

blindbaby

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it is heart breaking. and to think they keep forgetting, that laws are only for caucasions. ounce they get this down, then all will be happiness, and pink balloons. like our god like leader appologizes for america, id like to appologize for being white, and still alive!!! im so sorry!!!!!!!
 
londonfog

londonfog

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blindbaby said:
it is heart breaking. and to think they keep forgetting, that laws are only for caucasions. ounce they get this down, then all will be happiness, and pink balloons. like our god like leader appologizes for america, id like to appologize for being white, and still alive!!! im so sorry!!!!!!!
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You don't have to apologize for the color of your skin, but you do owe us an apology for you ignorant and asinine comments.
 
Harrekin

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londonfog said:
You don't have to apologize for the color of your skin, but you do owe us an apology for you ignorant and asinine comments.
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He's white, of course he has to apologise.

Did you know whites grabbed black people from Africa to use as slaves?

Did you know all whites are born racist?

Did you know all blacks are born victims?

Welcome to the deluded "white guilt" mind of a Liberal....
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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blindbaby said:
it is heart breaking. and to think they keep forgetting, that laws are only for caucasions. ounce they get this down, then all will be happiness, and pink balloons. like our god like leader appologizes for america, id like to appologize for being white, and still alive!!! im so sorry!!!!!!!
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There is verbal farting and then there is lip shitting. This is a fine example of lip shitting.
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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Harrekin said:
He's white, of course he has to apologise.

Did you know whites grabbed black people from Africa to use as slaves?

Did you know all whites are born racist?

Did you know all blacks are born victims?

Welcome to the deluded "white guilt" mind of a Liberal....
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You realize he was being facetious and employing sarcasm, right?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Harrekin said:
He's white, of course he has to apologise.

Did you know whites grabbed black people from Africa to use as slaves?

Did you know all whites are born racist?

Did you know all blacks are born victims?

Welcome to the deluded "white guilt" mind of a Liberal....
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I do know that you are an idiot. I learned long ago to judge a man by what he believes in and stands for.
 
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