Triploids

HydroRed said:

So are you saying because you have a leafy whorlled bud you have extra chromosomes?? Sounds bs to me!
It boils down to more than just the leaves. If you saw the stem or the actual bud growth on the plant I grew, your critique on my plant may change. I dont have pics of the stem, but it was square and about 4 times the size it should have been. It also took weeks longer to mature in flower and it was much taller (by about 30%) by the end of flower. There were more issues with the plant other than a few extra leaves.

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Dr. Who said:

Now you know why I ditched the "marijuana plant problems" section.... I venture in once and awhile...
The same ol shit over and over again! NO ONE it seems, takes the time to learn ANYTHING about growing period (or they see some smack on the net and say, "well, this is how XYZ said to grow).........How about for an example DUMME's latest thread telling everyone that you treat MM like a Tomato and you'll grow perfect.......So many fucking misconceptions and outright BS on-line.

Or how about hydro "somebodies" thread on some dufus claiming 4 plants in an 8x12 and getting 22+ lbs at over 5 a plant with less then 30 day veg and about 4 ft tall.......I smile at the guy a few pages later who claimed a 3+ lb under a 600w.......

Sometimes you just have to laugh and move on.......Hell, I won't even answer CFL related questions anymore. You tell them why the result was low yield and fluffy and some fucknut HAS to come on and say how his CFL grows are perfect and he gets commercial yields from his plants...

Ranting now, so yeah, patience is King.

How about treat it like a simple tropical and do better then tomato growing.

But in the end Kingrow, we simply just have to be patient with them......There are places of peace and growing on the net.

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Dumme said:

I was referencing how non-magical growing the plant is, not specifics methods. For instance, "flushing" (i.e. starving), is not require in the production of sweet ripe tomatoes, or pumpkins, or tobacco, or etc..

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Dumme said:

Not sure how you got that out of anything I wrote...

While referring to pseudoscience, I said:

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Dr. Who said:

SORRY, maybe a bad example, in a way.

BUT, it does kinda make your point about not exactly great information....

Don't treat a MM plant like a tomato! That's my point.....Your saying that rather frustrated me as you get frustrated over pseudoscience........

Please don't take my comment as a put down.....NOT meant that way!

Again, just to clarify. Treat MJ like a common tropical......

One of my favorite lines to new growers who have come and say they didn't research anything about, nor have any knowledge in growing (House plants and Tropicals). "Get yourself a book on growing. READ it! When you can grow and bloom an African Violet - You'll have little trouble growing MJ!

To others that simplify it and say "It's just a weed"..... I think your deluding yourself! Sure it can grow in some poor conditions. BUT, if you buckle down and learn about tropicals and their needs. You'll have a serious leg up on the "weed" growers!
Next is to read QUALITY books on MM growing! You buy those at Barnes and Noble. NOT on the web by joe blow who charges $500 a book and makes impossible claims!

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chronicals77 said:

Im glad mine reverted back to normal, given that happen it cant be genetic or it wouldn't have reverted back and the trait would be clonable. I dont have any proof but id say a nematode may be the cause, could be a disease, or an insect lay an egg/s inside the seed while its in development. I dont think its stress related because most trileafs including my own have a wrinkled or mishapen leaf or two and this is the reason I believe its some kind of bug.

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Dumme said:

I admit I'm a college drop out and a dumme, but I'm not a complete dunce.
If you read the whole thread, I was referencing basic photosynthesis and how the chloroplasts works. The tomato plant wasn't the main focus. Hell, I could have said, a sun flower.

Next time, please, just quote me, so people know how to interpret.

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Dr. Who said:

You got your apology, need some cheese to go with the whine?

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Dr. Who said:

I gotta ask. Where did you get this idea?
This happens in specific plant species, that are effected by specific insects, that have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years! Think Mexican jumping bean!

In North America there are around 4-5 that will lay on developing pods where the larvae in it's first stage will burrow through the pod and change to a second form of larvae that eats into the seed and those attack trees only. Mostly in the South West and mainly in mesquite!

There is another species of insect in North America that will effect only beans.....Not a big problem here and the Mexican jumping bean is an example.

The only others in our area on Earth would be a cpl that effect specific trees in Hawaii and Mexico to South America, and those only attack Tamarind trees.

Marijuana (any strain) does not have an insect that attacks it that way!!!

One shouldn't list conjecture as possible fact. You only start rumor!

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chronicals77 said:

Im not talking about plant specific parasites. Some insects such as thripes lay thier eggs on or INTO leaves, buds, and other plant tissue. If an insect lays eggs into a leaf bud it can cause the new leaves to be irregular shapen. So if some kind of insect were to lay an egg into the seed tissue while its still soft and under developed once that seed germinates im sure it could cause abnormal groeth. If its not genetic thats the only thing that makes sense to me. Sinse no one here actually knows for sure what causes it, it definately is a possibility.

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chronicals77 said:

You see thats just it, people on here assume just because im new to this forum that im new to growing and that isn't true. Ive been growing plants of all kinds for 23 years including cannabis. Ive been a professional bonsai artist and cultivator for 7 years. To be able to deliberately stress plants and expect them to recover a person has to know a lot about plants. I dont know everything and I dont kbow all the science behind everything but I have a lot of experience growing and experience training plants to do what I want them to do. To be able to do this the plants have to be perfectly healthy because if you add more stress to an already stressed plant more than likely it will die. You cant always rely on science either, I have seen many wierd things that had no published information to refer to. I dont totally disreguard science but science is not always on point. I have experienced things that science says isnt possible. Its like coffee or eggs, onr day everyone should be consuming them, they next they are bad for you. Apple juice supposedly bad for you but its not the juice that contains toxins, its the seeds. So you see just because someone posts all these scientific publications ive learned over the years its not always acurate. Im NOT suggesting anyone disreguard science but I do suggest to not allow it to dictate every decision you make. Science is updated all the time. They only real thing that scientists have unquestionably proved 100% is that humans have barely scratched the surface of understanding this planet. Sometimes things happen that have no scientific or earthly explaination. This forum is also not just for the people that know everything to post all legitimate scientific fact. It is a place for all, new growers and beyond to not only learn but to discuss thier experiences. This is how people grow. Plants behave differently in different climates and situations and that is 100% a fact.

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Kingrow1 said:

Im the minority not the majority on this forum, my comments arent harsh, calling breeders work ploidy hermie mutant weak genetic crap is harsh on the other hand and also this is not really what you expect to hear on a forum for plants.

The info i have provided is freely available on wiki, you wont get much more low tech than that.

I feel like some are fending of mutants with a lightsabre or getting rapped by a three armed hermaphrodite from planet ploidy every ten pack of seeds sometimes, what can i say....

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chronicals77 said:

Im not talking about plant specific parasites. Some insects such as thripes lay thier eggs on or INTO leaves, buds, and other plant tissue. If an insect lays eggs into a leaf bud it can cause the new leaves to be irregular shapen. So if some kind of insect were to lay an egg into the seed tissue while its still soft and under developed once that seed germinates im sure it could cause abnormal groeth. If its not genetic thats the only thing that makes sense to me. Sinse no one here actually knows for sure what causes it, it definately is a possibility.

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Kingrow1 said:

Polyploidy dosent describe what you had, my critical comments were about every picture and how none of it was ploidy or genetic. Outside of marijuana forums this stuff is common and well known, your plant simply did somthing called fasciation, nothing to do with genetics or a trait thats breedable. Already reasons such as rna damage, abiotic stress, bugs and pathogens as well as fungi and bacteria have been cited as to plausable causes.

Now you can take the 'blame the breeder, bad genetics, its a mutant trait, polyploidy/triploid' answer or you can dismiss all that and wiki fasciation and polyploidy for some real answers.

This flower looks spookily like your bud...



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Dr. Who said:

I'm sorry but, that's incorrect!
The seed would fail to mature for one thing.
The other would be that if the seed was damaged. It would not germinate.

Please don't come back and say "But if".
It's NOT a possibility!

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chronicals77 said:

None of that is necessarily true, thrips lay eggs in undeveloped leaf buds and they still grow they just grow weird.

So if you know everything that doesn't cause trileafs then you must know what DOES cause it?

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