trueloveforever164 1st Grow of PPP, Snow White and Supergirl

trueloveforever164 said:

Okay I think there is definitely something wrong with my plants. Leaves are curling, some have rust looking spots, some have a light green color, one looks like an alien and one has a hole in it!!

Please let me know what you think or see!

Here are the numbers:
1. pH appears to be in the 5 range
2. Temp 77 F
3. rh 34%
4. ppm 673 (down from 750/760) Farmer suggested I lower the ppm to 300/400 but didn't tell me why? Anyone else possibly know why?
5. 400 mh bulb 12 in. from tips

Sorry for all the dog hair in the pics

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Very well written grow journal! You will be happy you've done this on your next grow, you can use it as a guide.

I think Farmer wanted you to drop your ppm to lower your chances of nute burn, and it looks like he was right. I'm on my first (Nirvana PPP, SW) grow also, and when my plants were that size, I was running a 600ppm rez, but my water is hard, (400ppm) so I really only had around 200ppm of nute salts in my solution. If you are at 673ppm using distilled water, you are probably running too hot, and have burned your seedlings.

I'm just a noob, but I would flush your plants with pH'd water and mix your res to the levels Farmer recommended.

Keep up the journal, I'm subscribed. Take a look at my journal below, and you'll see I had a lot of the same issues you are having...

Good luck with your grow!

Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated kiss-ass

Well the distilled water I’m using has a ppm of 0. In week two I raised the nutes from around 250ppm to 750ppm. That was clearly a mistake! The plants suffered from some nute burn, leaves curling and one of the leaves actually had a hole in it. There are still some rust spots on some of the lower leaves and the growth looked stunted on some of the plants.

farmer#1 suggested I lower the nutes to about 300/400 and Abnjm explained why, so I removed several gallons of the nuted water and replaced with fresh distilled water bringing the ppm down to 382. As a result, the new growth looks great! I don’t remember where I read that the burned leaves will always be that way. Please let me know if this is true. The changes are looking good to me, but I’m a noob so what do I know, LOL.

Here are the numbers:
pH is 5.5 (Guess according to color chart)
Temp 81 F
RH 32%
ppm 382 (down from 673 and 750)
400w mh bulb 12 in. from tips

Sorry for all the dog hair in the pics

1st Pic Supergirl (side view)
2nd Pic Supergirl (top view) Seed planted 11/20
3rd Pic Supergirl (side view)
4th Pic Supergirl (top view) Seed planted 11/26
5th Pic Snow White (side view)
6th Pic Snow White (top view) Seed planted 11/20
7th Pic Snow White (side view)
8th Pic Snow White (top view) Seed planted 11/20
9th Pic Snow White (side view)
10th Pic Snow White (top view) Seed planted 11/26
11th Pic PPP (side view)
12th Pic PPP (top view) Seed planted 11/20
13th Pic PPP (side view)
14th Pic PPP (top view) Seed planted 11/26
15th Pic Overall

farmer#1 said:

i think you should lower the ppm to about 300/400.

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Thanks again farmer#1

Abnjm said:

Very well written grow journal! You will be happy you've done this on your next grow, you can use it as a guide.

I think Farmer wanted you to drop your ppm to lower your chances of nute burn, and it looks like he was right. I'm on my first (Nirvana PPP, SW) grow also, and when my plants were that size, I was running a 600ppm rez, but my water is hard, (400ppm) so I really only had around 200ppm of nute salts in my solution. If you are at 673ppm using distilled water, you are probably running too hot, and have burned your seedlings.

I'm just a noob, but I would flush your plants with pH'd water and mix your res to the levels Farmer recommended.

Keep up the journal, I'm subscribed. Take a look at my journal below, and you'll see I had a lot of the same issues you are having...

Good luck with your grow!

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Thanks for you help and insight as well Abnjm

trueloveforever164 said:

I don’t remember where I read that the burned leaves will always be that way. Please let me know if this is true. The changes are looking good to me, but I’m a noob so what do I know, LOL.

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I think once they are burned, they stay that way. Fortunately, these leaves will only be "used" by the plant for a couple of weeks. Keep your rez in order, and you won't even remember the burn. The plants look fine, just keep your ppm at this level until you feel they are recovered, and then start slowly raising the nutrients....

I'll keep watching. Continue to keep good notes.

Please let me know what you think and see

Here are the numbers:
pH was below 5.0 so I raised it to 6.0 (Guess according to color chart)
Temp 85 F
RH 37%
ppm 337
400w mh bulb 12 in. from tips

Sorry for all the dog hair in the pics

1st Pic Supergirl - Seed planted 11/20
2nd Pic Supergirl - Seed planted 11/26
3rd Pic Snow White - Seed planted 11/20
4th Pic Snow White - Seed planted 11/20
5th Pic Snow White - Seed planted 11/26
6th Pic PPP - Seed planted 11/20
7th Pic PPP - Seed planted 11/26
8th Pic Overall (side view)
9th Pic Overall (top view)

Hey! Nice looking plants truelove going to be some good !! lol
I was wondering what nutrient solution you used as the burn didn't seem to affect them all too much? Thanks! and good luck! peace

thenotorious420 said:

Hey! Nice looking plants truelove going to be some good !! lol
I was wondering what nutrient solution you used as the burn didn't seem to affect them all too much? Thanks! and good luck! peace

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Hey Biggie I'm using Moon Dust from Sunlight Sheds. It came with my CC. Thanks for checking out my grow journal.

Well it’s really starting to smell like The new growth comes out beautiful but then the leaves change color or form spots on them as you’ll be able to see in the pics below.

At this point I don’t know what the ppm should be at, I lowered it because the leaves were getting burned and it seems like they are still getting burned or something else is happening.

Please let me know what you think, suggestions or ideas are much appreciated.

Here are the numbers:
pH is 6.5 (Guess according to color chart)
Temp 87 F
RH 37%
ppm 274 (what should it be at this point)
400w mh bulb 12 in. from tips

Sorry for all the dog hair in the pics

1st Pic Supergirl #1 (side view) - Seed planted 11/20
2nd Pic Supergirl #1 (top view)
3rd Pic Supergirl #1 (sick leaves)
4th Pic Supergirl #1 (sick leaves)
5th Pic Supergirl #1 (sick leaves)
6th Pic Supergirl #2 (top view) - Seed planted 11/26
7th Pic Supergirl #2 (sick leaves)
8th Pic Snow White #1 (top view) - Seed planted 11/20
9th Pic Snow White #1 (side view)
10th Pic Snow White #2 (top view) - Seed planted 11/20
11th Pic Snow White #3 (top view) - Seed planted 11/26
12th Pic Snow White #3 (sick leaves)
13th Pic Snow White #3 (sick leaves)
14th Pic Snow White #3 (sick leaves)
15th Pic PPP #1 (top view) - Seed planted 11/20
16th Pic PPP #1 (side view)
17th Pic PPP #2 (top view) - Seed planted 11/26
18th Pic PPP #2 (sick leaves)
19th Pic Overall (top view)

sometimes as much as 50 percent of the seeds will not germinate. week plants dying off ensures that the species stays strong. sometimes the shells will not open all the way and the plants will die. if you are very carefull you can use tweesers to open the shell up.My experience with rapid rooter plugs or jiffy plugs is that it is much harder to germinate seeds than soil. everything else your doing seems fine. Depending on how big your light is it may be good to back it off a to about 2 feet above the plants unless its a small watt like a 400 or less. Plants at this stage do'nt need much light. And leave your nutes alone for now! they really only need water for now.

I went back to my journal, and I was at EC 1.0 / 500 ppm at this stage, so I don't think you have nute burn at 274 ppm. I would look to lower your res to a 5.8pH from the current 6.5pH. I think the higher pH you are running may be locking out some nutrients.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Good luck!

Abnjm said:

I went back to my journal, and I was at EC 1.0 / 500 ppm at this stage, so I don't think you have nute burn at 274 ppm. I would look to lower your res to a 5.8pH from the current 6.5pH. I think the higher pH you are running may be locking out some nutrients.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Good luck!

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Thanks for the feedback. There is no way for me to measure the pH in that detail. I just look at the color chart and kinda guess where it's at. How are you getting exact measurement like 5.8 and such? Thanks

Okay sorry for not posting lately I've just been going through a lot crap recently so I'm posting 3 separate days worth of pics.

I was gonna take clones but I read that you need to flush them for a week before taking clones and I just changed the res the other day and raised the nutes to about 500 but they are at 350 something now and drinking a butt load of water. So I'm gonna and more water and raise it up to 600 or something close to it.

So I decided not to take clones unless someone tells me that it's not absolutely necessary to flush the plants before doing so. The nutes I'm using are for both vegging and flowering so I won't be flushing the plants before flowering.

I can't seem to keep the pH stabilized so I'm constantly having to fix it. With the size of the plants now I think I need to start flowering here real soon. Like today or in the next two days. If someone folks think I need to start now then I will. They are between 12 and 14 in. I will be using Bushmaster during my flowering process but they are already hella bushy as you can see in the pics.

Here are some pics from 12/13/08

Pics from 12/16/08

Pics from 12/18/08

Bye the way there 7 plants in that bushy mess LOL!

I switched to 400w HPS bulb and just started flowering tonight.

Alright the light went off at 6 a.m. until 6 p.m. Should I keep the two intake and exhaust fans on during the dark period?

idk if I need to keep them on to control temp and humidity. The temp inside the cab is 68, the temp inside my room is 69. The RH is 51% and I read that during flowering it should be below 40%.

I turned the heat on inside the room where the cab is hoping that will bring up the temp.

Well maybe I shouldn't have started to flower just yet. The National Weather Service issued "HIGH WIND WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 9 AM SATURDAY TO 4 PM PST SUNDAY...AT THE HEIGHT OF THIS EVENT... SUSTAINED WINDS COULD REACH 50 TO 70 MPH WITH PEAK GUSTS OF 70 TO 90 MPH...IN ADDITION... WIND CHILL READINGS DURING THIS EVENT MAY BE NEAR ZERO WITH AIR TEMPERATURES IN THE MID TO UPPER 20S. CONSIDER SAFE WAYS TO KEEP YOUR FAMILY WARM IF YOUR POWER IS KNOCKED OUT FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD."

We had a wind storm in December 2006 that knocked power out at my house for four days and it looked like a war zone. We're known as the Evergreen State and they toppled over on pretty much every power line and everything was covered in snow and ice.

I'm really just worried about the health of the plants and I need some assurance that they will be okay or sort of be okay LOL.

Congrats on making it to flower! Your plants look healthy and bushy, just be sure to manage the stems as they start their growth spurt. I didn't get on top of mine early enough, and I'm not happy with the height of my main colas.

I keep the fans running at all times. I turned them off once after lights out to make sure my pyrethrin spray stayed in the tent overnight. When I opened the tent the next morning, the RH was in the 80s. It's just anecdotal, but I think the plants still throw off some moisture with the lights out. Anyways, constant air movement is a very good tool to manage the occurence of bud rot.

Grow on my brother.