TRUMP INDICTED

Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
She had better be careful fucking around with Jack, he has JUDGE Garland at his back and she has a very bad track record of 2 for 0 on appeal. Perhaps she had some informal peer feedback since that time? Donald has taken down plenty of lawyers but no judges, yet. I also think there could be more MAL documents charges coming out of DC involving Trump alone, he was dealing with DC, the National archives and then the DOJ, the documents were stolen from DC.
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She got a firm rebuke when her ruling in favor of Trump was overturned quickly with open contempt from the upper courts. I haven't heard a word from her since. But do you think she has changed that much? I don't, I just thing that Jack Smith seems very confident that he has a strong case and Canon will not have much leeway to affect with this trial. Given her earlier ridiculously favorable treatment of him earlier, when things go badly for him during the trial, Trump will have a hard time making a case that she is out to get him .

But he will.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Phytoplankton said:
As someone who worked in security in a classified environment for 30 years (and took a 30+ year break from the herb), I can say that Trumps actions are appalling. Willful disclosure of classified by showing it or discussing it with uncleared persons is a crime, period! Storage of classified in an unapproved area is a crime. Classified must be stored in either a GSA approved safe or an alarmed Vault, or Vault type room, that applies to Confidential and Secret information. Top Secret documents are "accountable" (must be inventoried yearly) and have more stringent storage requirements. He cannot simply declassify information "by thinking about it", there is a slew of paperwork that has to be done, and concurrence from the agency that classified the document must be obtained. I was a derivative classifier, had a TS clearance with Sigma's 1-20 (except sigma14). The only thing I couldn't do was "original classification" (classification without a guidance document, there's probably less than 100 people who have that authority). I also had hand carry authority (ability to move documents outside of classified areas). There are very detailed rules for wrapping and storage when hand carrying, to the point of if when boarding a plane if TSA wanted to see what was in the package, I had to call an FBI agent, who would perform the search, not TSA. When I got to my hotel room with a package I could not keep it overnight, I had to take it to a secure facility where it was locked up and I'd pick it up in the morning.
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"When a president does something that means its legal"
Also, "The election was fraudulent, Trump is still president and had every right to keep those documents however he wanted to".
Also, "By participating in packing those boxes, Trump declassified them before the left the WH."

(sarcasm)
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Trump's '24 GOP Rivals Rebuke DOJ, Not Him After Documents Indictment
Donald Trump's main rivals for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination condemned the Justice Department for its move to charge him over his handling of classified documents, underscoring their fear of upsetting his core supporters.
The indictment of a former president on federal charges is unprecedented in U.S. history, a case made more extraordinary by Trump's status as the clear front-runner in the Republican race to challenge Democratic President Joe Biden next year.
Instead of using the indictment to undermine Trump's bid for the White House, however, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, U.S. Senator Tim Scott and Nikki Haley were among the candidates accusing the Justice Department of political bias, highlighting a stance that has become central to many of their own campaigns.

All sounded in before the indictment was unsealed on Friday afternoon, revealing detailed allegations that Trump had mishandled documents containing some of the country's most sensitive security secrets and obstructed the probe.

"The weaponization of federal law enforcement represents a mortal threat to a free society," DeSantis, who is running a distant second behind Trump in the polls, wrote on Twitter. "We have for years witnessed an uneven application of the law depending upon political affiliation.
Republicans have alleged, without evidence, that the Trump indictment is a politically motivated move by Biden. The Justice Department says all investigative decisions are made without regard to partisan politics, and has handed the investigation to a special counsel who was appointed in an effort to add a degree of independence to such a politically sensitive probe.

The 37-count indictment against Trump accused him of mishandling classified documents that included information about the secretive U.S. nuclear program and potential domestic vulnerabilities in the event of an attack. It also alleged that Trump discussed with his lawyers the possibility of lying to government officials seeking to recover the materials.

President Joe Biden, who is facing his own review over his handling of classified documents, reflecting the tightrope he must walk in dealing with a prosecution into his main political rival, said on Friday he had not spoken to Attorney General Merrick Garland about the case.
"I have not spoken to him at all and I’m not going to speak with him," Biden said, distancing himself from the investigation into his political rival.
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson, a long-shot Republican candidate, was the sole rival so far to outright criticize Trump. Hutchinson called on him to end his campaign, arguing that Trump had flouted the Constitution and shown a "disrespect for the rule of law."

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who this week blasted Trump as he announced his own 2024 bid, said he wanted to see the details of the indictment before weighing in.

By and large, however, the challengers came to Trump's defense, perhaps mindful of how Trump's March indictment in New York over an alleged hush money payment to a porn star was seen by many Republicans as politically charged and only served to rally support to his side.
Trump's support has held steady through many other lawsuits and scandals but the serious charges laid out against him on Friday could give his Republican rivals ammunition to attack his record, especially on national security.

Chuck Coughlin, a longtime consultant for Republicans in Arizona, said the cumulative effect of criminal charges will begin to take its toll on Trump's base, which is thought to make up 30% of the Republican electorate.

Trump is also under investigation in Georgia for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election in the state, and faces a separate federal probe into his alleged role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by his supporters.
If the indictments pile up, Coughlin predicts the other Republican candidates will start to argue that Trump cannot win the general election.
"There's got to be a fatigue factor there," Coughlin said.

RIVALS ECHO TRUMP'S RHETORIC
In the meantime, Trump's rivals are adopting his rhetoric against the Justice Department, accusing federal prosecutors of singling out Republicans, even as they cheer on a federal investigation into Biden's son, Hunter, over tax-related issues since 2018. The president's son has denied wrong-doing.

Scott, who is polling in the single digits, criticized what he also called the "weaponization" of federal prosecutors.
"Today what we see is a justice system where the scales are weighted," he said in an interview on Fox News late on Thursday.
Vivek Ramaswamy, a venture capitalist also considered a long shot for the Republican nomination, accused the Justice Department of unfairly targeting Trump and vowed to pardon him if elected.
Haley, U.N. ambassador under Trump, said Americans were "exhausted by the prosecutorial overreach," but also hinted at the chaos surrounding Trump.

"It's time to move beyond the endless drama and distractions," Haley wrote on Twitter on Friday.
In New Hampshire on Friday Pence said he was "deeply troubled" by the indictment, believing it would further divide the country. He added, however, that the American public should review the facts of the case and make their own judgment.

Having the trial in front of a Trump Judge should take away some hurt feelings once he is found guilty in his home state.
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If an overthrow party Repug is elected, it’s over. Their narrative has strayed so far from truth and justice, it beggars (buggers?) belief.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
A chandelier in the shitter, no gold toilet but plenty of classified reading material while taking a shit.

apnews.com

Donald Trump stored, showed off and refused to return classified documents, indictment says

Donald Trump improperly stored in his Florida estate sensitive documents on nuclear capabilities, repeatedly enlisted aides and lawyers to help him hide records demanded by investigators and cavalierly showed off a Pentagon “plan of attack” and classified map. That's according to a sweeping...
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how the fuck did the FBI miss THAT when they searched the first time?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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eddy600 said:
What is the chance of a hung jury? Trumpers don't care about his past transgressions and would vote to acquit
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It's a possibility, but i expect Smith to be very thorough when picking jurors, looking out for exactly that kind of thing.
so far he has been highly competent and professional, if a little slower than i would like. I expect no change from that now.
 
eddy600

eddy600

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Fogdog said:
Are you saying the chance of a hung jury is 100?

If so, you are basically saying that there is no rule of law in the US.
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I would put the hung jury at 50% or more, Trumpers don't care about his false claims or criminal acts. Hopefully Rodger is correct and Smith is able to weed these people out. January 6th made me feel as if I was living in a third world country and I would like to see him rot in prison.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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eddy600 said:
I would put the hung jury at 50% or more, Trumpers don't care about his false claims or criminal acts. Hopefully Rodger is correct and Smith is able to weed these people out. January 6th made me feel as if I was living in a third world country and I would like to see him rot in prison.
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Oh, OK.

So, just a little cynical. The kind of Trumpers you mention would be weeded out from the jury pool after a couple of questions. They would have to lie to get on the jury. That would not be a smart thing to do but then again, Trumpers.
 
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