Trump/Russia v. Clinton/DNC

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Padawanbater2, Nov 6, 2017.


    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    Collusion is the key word in both of these cases

    If Trump colluded with Russia to influence the general election, then shouldn't Clinton be held to the same standard for influencing the Democratic primary?

    Is somebody going to legitimately try to argue the point that what Trump did was actually illegal while what Clinton did was only unethical?

    If you're a Democrat who condemns Trump for colluding with Russia but gives a free pass to Clinton for colluding with the DNC, what are your actual values? Obviously not protecting democracy.

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    you are a retarded person.

    ginjawarrior Well-Known Member

    dude one of these things is not like the other one...

    it must be really tiring holding such a fanatical level of fervour for such a long time

    what are you actually trying to acheive here apart from being trumps "useful idiot" ???

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    he has a point though

    some people are not being held to the same standard as others

    which is why i would like to see tad devine in jail for his role in russiagate

    bernie's staffers need to face punishment for stealing clinton's campaign data too

    and bernie and jane need to go to jail for bank fraud
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    ttystikk Well-Known Member


    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Ah, so to translate; 'it's okay as long as MY candidate wins!'
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    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Lol you and your tired right wing lies.

    No one stole any data from the Clinton campaign.

    No malfeasance occurred at the University Mrs Sanders ran.

    But you are sounding more and more like a republican of late... not unlike the rest of the establishment Democratic Party.

    Coincidence? I think not!

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    Both of them successfully subverted American democracy; Trump in the general, Clinton in the primary
    Sanders supporters were detailing what was happening as it was happening only to be met with accusations of being conspiracy theorists. Now we know the full extent of the truth, and it's much worse than even any of us thought. What I find interesting is the argument has switched from first denying the evidence and calling Sanders supporters conspiracy theorists to now accepting what was happening, just trying to justify it as business as usual, or condemning Sanders as an Independent, so he never really deserved equal protection despite the DNC Charter and Bylaws. Neither did Lincoln Chafee, Jim Webb, or Martin O'Malley.

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    But remember Pad, Trump is still all your fault.
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    tangerinegreen555 Well-Known Member

    What Trump did was actually illegal, what Clinton did was typical dirty politics.

    Collusion isn't actually a crime, obstruction of justice is.

    Also, did the Clinton campaign have the equilvalent of a Manafort, a Flynn or a Papadopoulos working overseas?

    How do you think Bernie Sanders would answer that OP question?

    I think he'd throw up.

    If you're really worried about protecting democracy, then you wouldn't want a racist shitbag in the white house who started his political career insisting Obama was born in Kenya and getting a multimillion legion of racist shitbags to follow him into hell.

    Don't give me that shit about jobs, I hear these Trump people talk. Jobs wasn't why they voted for Trump.
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    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Love how you call attention to what's criminal and completely ignore how both subverted the Will of the People.

    Apparently, Democracy is not your priority.

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    dude..cheating is cheating.
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    Bugeye Well-Known Member

    Both Trump and Hillary destroyed their own parties in the last election. But repubs are stuck with Trump, for now. Dems need to rebuild the party now without old guard, and this would give them a big advantage by 2020. Harry, Debbie, and Hillary are now basically done and Pelosi would be smart to step aside so a new dem party can take shape. An ugly process both parties will have to go thru, but repubs can't begin until Trump is impeached or beaten.
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    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    you and bravedave still going to klan BBQs?
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    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    Throwing an election by whatever means during primary contest, dirty politics?

    THROWING AN ELECTION..let those words sink in and tell me how 'legal' it is.

    If this were the case, we wouldn't have a voting process, period.

    The only reason you're not screaming was because SHE was YOUR choice.

    Had the shoe been on the other foot?
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    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Actually I did support Bernie and when he lost by such a wide margin only fools would claim rigged, I wasn't upset with the idea of a Clinton presidency because they weren't all that different from each other.
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    Fogdog Well-Known Member


    Pelosi should step aside, even though she's most likely unbeatable in her district and stepping down would subvert the will of the majority who elected her. Sanders supporters are so undemocratic.
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    Unclebaldrick Well-Known Member

    Dave's not here man.

    He decamped to the official weed website of Stormfront with iron eyes, stiggy and nitro harley where he posits that Hillary is behind all the mass shootings in the last year.

    No shit.

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    false equivalency.



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