Trump unites NFL - against him.

Stephenj37826 said:

No if you actually pay attention we have always been very open about where our lights where and are now made. Being a small business we couldn't meet minimum order qtys to actually have our products made in the USA. Now though our boards are made in Michigan and we assemble our lights in an ISO certified factory in Tennessee. Unlike most we worked as hard as possible to start our business and then create jobs with it. Maybe our small contribution is nothing in the grand scheme of things but we are honestly trying to do the right thing. Those new employees at our manufacturer have insurance and profit sharing. The average end of the year bonus at this business is 15-30k. So go ahead stand on your soap box and tell us how you try to make the world a better place.

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I appreciate your goals. Why are you so intent on shooting yourself in the foot?

If you want to show your ignorance, try setting up an account not associated with the business or face the consequences.

Unclebaldrick said:

Gee, maybe there is a market for labor which corporate wages affect. I dunno, just guessing.

I am glad your business is doing well enough to make you think you know what you are talking about.

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Unclebaldrick said:

More. I have been an entrepreneur for 40 years. Yet none of that matters. What matters is that you don't have a clue what you are talking about, nor are you adept at marketing your own business.

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As you have admitted about labor is a commodity. Once you move middle class manufacturing jobs out of the country corporations can use the leverage of a healthy labor pool to pay workers less.. kinda take it or leave it buddy type attitude. Owning a service business for 20 yes I saw this attitude first hand. As I tried to adjust what I charged contractors for my service the process stagnated. On several occasions I was told by builders I'll pay you this amount for your drywall service and that's it. "I'll get the Mexicans to do it if you want at this price". If you don't believe that call any sub contractor outside of electricians or plumbers and ask them if they ran into this exact scenario.

Unclebaldrick said:

What's next? "Trump is a successful business owner so he must know how to run a country?"

Jesus Christ, the people you meet online.

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If you go back to my original post which I was attacked on I stated I dislike Trump as much as I can dislike someone. I won't say hate because I don't hate anyone. If you can't see that by over reacting to him everyone is playing into his hand. I simply stated we should just ignore the moron instead of constantly having him in the spotlight.

Furthermore if the last election has taught us anything it should have showed that calling those you don't agree with names will certainly not guilt then into voting your way. Quite the opposite.

What do you do to any other idiot in society? Ignore them of course.

Stephenj37826 said:

If you go back to my original post which I was attacked on I stated I dislike Trump as much as I can dislike someone. I won't say hate because I don't hate anyone. If you can't see that by over reacting to him everyone is playing into his hand. I simply stated we should just ignore the moron instead of constantly having him in the spotlight.

Furthermore if the last election has taught us anything it should have showed that calling those you don't agree with names will certainly not guilt then into voting your way. Quite the opposite.

What do you do to any other idiot in society? Ignore them of course.

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Yeah, I read that. Great plan.

Stephenj37826 said:

As you have admitted about labor is a commodity. Once you move middle class manufacturing jobs out of the country corporations can use the leverage of a healthy labor pool to pay workers less.. kinda take it or leave it buddy type attitude. Owning a service business for 20 yes I saw this attitude first hand. As I tried to adjust what I charged contractors for my service the process stagnated. On several occasions I was told by builders I'll pay you this amount for your drywall service and that's it. "I'll get the Mexicans to do it if you want at this price". If you don't believe that call any sub contractor outside of electricians or plumbers and ask them if they ran into this exact scenario.

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Again, you need to learn a bit about factor specialization, comparative advantage and the dynamics of free trade. It is ridiculous for you to hold the ideas that you do while bitching about your taxes being theft. What you want is autarky. I don't. Autarky is bullshit. Glad you dislike Trump but I wonder why - you seem to like his logic and process well enough. Are you another of the modern self-style "libertarians"? Yawn.

Stephenj37826 said:

As you have admitted about labor is a commodity. Once you move middle class manufacturing jobs out of the country corporations can use the leverage of a healthy labor pool to pay workers less.. kinda take it or leave it buddy type attitude. Owning a service business for 20 yes I saw this attitude first hand. As I tried to adjust what I charged contractors for my service the process stagnated. On several occasions I was told by builders I'll pay you this amount for your drywall service and that's it. "I'll get the Mexicans to do it if you want at this price". If you don't believe that call any sub contractor outside of electricians or plumbers and ask them if they ran into this exact scenario.

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There it is. You suck so bad that you lose work to literally anyone. Another shitty handyman pretending to be a contractor.

Unclebaldrick said:

Speaking of bad lights...

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Oh, he sells lights? I didn't bother to look.

and LOL

Stephenj37826 said:

I would agree with that but wages are stagnant in small business as well which aren''t publicly traded.

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It still effects competition. Imagine cobs made here. Prices would increase. Also buying controls small businesses. Most I know who are retired don't spend like they did. I don't want anything. Even youngsters I know are less interested in buying. You have to get the money from those that have it for raises.

UncleBuck said:

There it is. You suck so bad that you lose work to literally anyone. Another shitty handyman pretending to be a contractor.

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No I didn't lose my work. The day I handed my business over to my oldest employee we where still working without weekends off and as far as I know he still is. The point was he's still doing the same job for the same amount I was charging in 2000. You aren't here to do anything but troll. Realize it or not Donald Trump and yourself have lots in common. Lots of insults but nothing intelligent to actually say.

Stephenj37826 said:

No I didn't lose my work. The day I have my business over to my oldest employee we where still working without weekends off and as far as I know he still is. The point was he's still don't the same job for the same amount I was charging in 2000. Your aren't here to do anything but troll. Realize it or not Donald Trump and yourself have lots in common. Lots of insults but nothing intelligent to actually say.

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You literally just got done complaining about losing work to Mexicans you dumb racist.

UncleBuck said:

You literally just got done complaining about losing work to Mexicans you dumb racist.

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No Donald Jr. I admitted cheaper Mexican labor was used as leverage to keep my prices down. Big difference. JR.

Stephenj37826 said:

No I didn't lose my work. The day I handed my business over to my oldest employee we where still working without weekends off and as far as I know he still is. The point was he's still doing the same job for the same amount I was charging in 2000. You aren't here to do anything but troll. Realize it or not Donald Trump and yourself have lots in common. Lots of insults but nothing intelligent to actually say.

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What did he replace you with? A board?

Justin-case said:

What did he replace you with? A board?

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Great contribution

Stephenj37826 said:

No Donald Jr. I admitted cheaper Mexican labor was used as leverage to keep my prices down. Big difference. JR.

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All of the dry Wallers I've worked with bid by the square foot. Is it fair to say it's cheaper labor just because they work harder than you? Maybe you should've hired some Mexicans, just saying.

UncleBuck said:

There it is. You suck so bad that you lose work to literally anyone. Another shitty handyman pretending to be a contractor.

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It is a very confusing post. He seems to be saying that all his ills were due to illegal immigrants and yet I strongly suspect that there were just people willing to do the job for less than he was - maybe they were more "goal oriented" or just more efficient. He also seems to want the free market to be diverted in order to ensure him a middle class outcome despite there being those hungrier than he is. You would think that he would offer a service in which the drywall was done better than that of cheap labor but he might not have. If he did, he would have bid on jobs in which the quality mattered to the consumer rather than "goal oriented" ones who sought to get the job done at whatever cost even if it was of poor quality. Sounds to me that he really wanted market protection while railing against "big government".

It's a total mish-mash of stuff. How he ended up moving to free trade opposition I cannot fathom.

Stephenj37826 said:

No Donald Jr. I admitted cheaper Mexican labor was used as leverage to keep my prices down. Big difference. JR.

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Right.

You've given us no reason to suspect you lie non stop either.

Unclebaldrick said:

It is a very confusing post. He seems to be saying that all his ills were due to illegal immigrants and yet I strongly suspect that there were just people willing to do the job for less than he was - maybe they were more "goal oriented" or just more efficient. He also seems to want the free market to be diverted in order to ensure him a middle class outcome despite there being those hungrier than he is. You would think that he would offer a service in which the drywall was done better than that of cheap labor but he might not have. If he did, he would have bid on jobs in which the quality mattered to the consumer rather than "goal oriented" ones who sought to get the job done at whatever cost even if it was of poor quality. Sounds to me that he really wanted market protection while railing against "big government".

It's a total mish-mash of stuff.

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He's a craigslist handyman pretending to be a "business" owner.

UncleBuck said:

He's a craigslist handyman pretending to be a "business" owner.

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Before he pivoted to being an economist and public relations wizard.

Unclebaldrick said:

It is a very confusing post. He seems to be saying that all his ills were due to illegal immigrants and yet I strongly suspect that there were just people willing to do the job for less than he was - maybe they were more "goal oriented" or just more efficient. He also seems to want the free market to be diverted in order to ensure him a middle class outcome despite there being those hungrier than he is. You would think that he would offer a service in which the drywall was done better than that of cheap labor but he might not have. If he did, he would have bid on jobs in which the quality mattered to the consumer rather than "goal oriented" ones who sought to get the job done at whatever cost even if it was of poor quality. Sounds to me that he really wanted market protection while railing against "big government".

It's a total mish-mash of stuff.

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No Mexicans could do the labor cheaper because they didn't provide workman's comp 11% of total labor and they definitely didn't have to pay taxes. So yes they could charge 20% less and have the same effective take home pay. Shape it any way you like but contractors took advantage of these people and I'm not in with that. I worked several legal Mexican crews. I couldn't hire illegal ones or else I would have to pay taxes on the money as I couldn't write it off.... You guys can stand back and speculate I lived it.

UncleBuck said:

He's a craigslist handyman pretending to be a "business" owner.

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How many Craiglist handymen do you know that did 7 million dollar plus years? I used to contract Walmarts all over the east coast until I got married and decided the road life wasn't for me anymore.