Roger A. Shrubber
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unfortunately, the more attention you pay, the more there is to be unhappy about...
Trump's War on Factual News Journalism.
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Bagginski
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On the one hand, I hear ya…on the other, a LOT has changed, and it doesn’t take a boatload of optimism to see things play out very differently
One of the biggest changes of the Age of Chump was wrought on democrats & liberals in general, who had long soaked in the complacent view that vestiges of civil-war holdovers of the so-called ‘patriotic right’ were honestly ignorant & mostly performative.
This led to much ‘right-wing’ humor about liberals being too stupid to know when they’re in a fight (late 80s-mid 90s), and “pwning the libs” became a popular pastime.
The overthrow crowd has been overreaching since Obama took office, and with Chump’s installation in office, GOOP seems to have forgotten that they’re doing & saying all the secret stuff in front of everybody. Carefully not noticed during this same time was the fact that the GOP - and the NRA - had started bleeding members. The squeakier any given wheel, the more could be obscured behind it, so the volume went up and the web-rodent-sphere went into overdrive, but the actual conservative party content has been draining away.
SINCE Jan6, that drain has been flowing. Accompanying that has been the clarifying effect of the coup attempt itself & ALL the toxic gabble that’s poured out since. The Republican Party has never been weaker in my lifetime.
This doesn’t mean they’re toothless, but they *are* used to overreaching by now, so they’ll continue to make some mistakes, and they come up with some new ones (Thomas + Crow?).
They also have a sold grip on county-level government in many states, an unknown number of billionaires committed to taking the USA away from the voters, and have shown they’re willing to try just about anything to fake their way into victory… they also have some loose judiciary cannons currently being used to take the legs off a lot of ordinary citizens, so no - not helpless.
We’ve had a series of clarifying elections in the last dozen or so years; they have shown the republicans struggling nationally - so much so that I’ll be surprised if The Republican Nominee in ‘24 gets more than 60 million votes. Down 14 million from ‘20.
That doesn’t mean easing off, doesn’t mean it’s in the bag: these characters are as false and duplicitous as you can imagine..and it’ll be make or break for them: one last chance to win it all & undo the American Experiment itself - or failure, disgrace, prison - perhaps exile in Russia or Hungary or Saudi Arabia.
We need to hit them with EVERYTHING, again and again, we need to call them liars when they lie, cheaters when they cheat, traitors when they betray their oaths of office. Every bit of pressure available.
And, just maybe, have a little faith that the “better angels of our nature” are coming home to roost.
Bagginski
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I’m not a dyed-in-the-wool Bernie bro, but I’ll tell you what I saw back then: I saw people in the Bernie camp & w/ HRC who seemed to co-operate in starting a war between the factions. I never ran into a Bernie supporter who voted for trump, and the few things I saw passing as Bernie-supporters for trump didn’t sound like any Bernie supporter I ever knew or talked to.
That fire still smoulders, BTW…there are still some from the HRC camp who really believe that Bernie’s supporters voted for trump, not HRC.
I consider it one of the dirty tricks played during that election - and one of the dirtiest ever, especially given that Bernie is a pretty straight shooter
Fogdog
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Bernie's actions after the election was over were divisive to the Democratic Party. He spent the year after the election trashing Democratic party leadership. His behavior during the so-called Unity Tour was anything but unifying.
Also, when it was clear that he could not win the nomination, he continued his divisive speeches. So, no, Bernie was a destructive influence during that time.
I voted for Bernie in 2016 but lost faith in him shortly thereafter.
Bagginski
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I confess, by the time the general was upon us, I considered him a distraction, not a factor.
Well, that's a hella indictment there, bruh. I dunno where u get that from what I said, but jeeze, man.
Herb & Suds
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Your disdain for anyone right of center would drag the Democrats into the same problem republicans have with flushing RINO's
You saying left or else isn't what we need
We actually need a functioning Republican party too and should welcome so called RINO's to our party if just for the numbers
Thats seems to be what you have issue with?
I may be wrong but thats how i took your remarks
And so, if i dislike the right, then you say,
The point is, that USA has swung so far right, that anybody who's with
that philosophy is extreme, and we need a hard adjustment back to the left.
Clintons are DINOs and they're not what this country needs. We need to
restore our democratic values and dismiss those oligarchical ideologies of
the right, including those of the 75 million people who voted for that orange devil.
Greed is NOT good, don't piss on my leg and call it trickle down economics. Don't
dumb down our people with a depleted, defunded education system. Stop with the
extreme tax cuts for billionaires. It's basically too late for any of those movements to
go into effect now. We sold out our manufacturing base to china in the '80s for short
term corporate profits and now accuse our people of being lazy when they've been
disenfranchised by the right for a quick buck, and then off to their island or a different
country after ours has been turned into a 3d world nation. I could go on...
What r u gonna say next, "if you don't like it, leave it"?
The point is, that USA has swung so far right, that anybody who's with
that philosophy is extreme, and we need a hard adjustment back to the left.
Clintons are DINOs and they're not what this country needs. We need to
restore our democratic values and dismiss those oligarchical ideologies of
the right, including those of the 75 million people who voted for that orange devil.
Greed is NOT good, don't piss on my leg and call it trickle down economics. Don't
dumb down our people with a depleted, defunded education system. Stop with the
extreme tax cuts for billionaires. It's basically too late for any of those movements to
go into effect now. We sold out our manufacturing base to china in the '80s for short
term corporate profits and now accuse our people of being lazy when they've been
disenfranchised by the right for a quick buck, and then off to their island or a different
country after ours has been turned into a 3d world nation. I could go on...
CANON_Grow
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I've read over your comments several times and don't understand how someone could come to that conclusion. It was a really unfair comment towards you. Saying you're not a big Bernie fan and acknowledging that the DNC was the cause for many issues that election ≠ hate a lot about America.
That one's called, the American Legislative Exchange Council. The GOP is always so active, always working. Dems seem lethargic and ineffective. The GOP successfully called the media back in Nixon's era, "liberal" to such a point that liberal became a dirty word. I was once a proud liberal, and since the 1980s began to wince whenever i heard the word. They've controlled the narrative, always. Always with the cute buzz words that the populace can grab onto and point at us and laugh.
TY for that, Mr. Bagginski. If the dems or the left, or both, can get a handle on things, give the people something to grab onto, and use to accuse and shame the right, (which i really don't like that kinda shit), we can perhaps take "our country back." They're the ones who convert the words "liberty, patriot, Christian" to something that becomes despicable to me. Try to find a Christian democrat, they're all atheists. And all the GOPs are Christians. It's the oddest paradox.
TY again, bruh. I certainly hope so. One RIU member thinks I hate america, but that's not it, i just would like some common sense, and intelligent, critical debate on events currently ongoing in our country.
Bagginski
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A side effect of the GOP bleeding membership has been the pronounced rightward lean the democrats have taken on - it proved a real complicating factor for Obama during his terms. The last few years have corrected that tilt, but it IS a danger of accepting all refugees. The struggle within the party to stay on task is greatly complicated by having to accommodate the enemy’s positions in ranks. Practically every crack about ineffective democrats has been potentiated by republicans in Dem clothing, acting like there’s nothing to see here.
Makes me hope a case (multiple cases) can be made against Harlan Crow for bribery in re: Thomas, Manchin, Cruz, Sinema, et al
Herb & Suds
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An open tent is complicated
Just because the other side abandons principles to win at all cost doesn’t mean the only response is the same
Otherwise we might just as will go down the rabbit hole they are headed and kill fellow Americans
It’s the vote
Local to federal
I thought we were on the verge when unions we’re devastated by the right and CEO’s just kept throwing their wealth in our face as some sort if vindication
It’s far harder when you talk to some McDonald’s manager who bitchs his menu prices have to reflect “paying employees $17 an hour “ like a corporate stooge for a few bucks more
The nerve people demand a wage they can survive on
I swear I heard this exact same conversation when the lady ask if $3.79 was the correct price for a large fry
Its not that the higher wage demand that is the problem
It’s the demand that the wage increase trickles up that is the issue
Every single business I know claims they need to make up for the Covid shutdown's $$$$$
Which always begins and ends with the low man on the totem pole
I say let the guy at the top drive his lease a few extra months for the benefit of those who make him money
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
yup, record corporate profits are the cross they have to bear, poor dears
Bagginski
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The news is in the news today:
apple.news
apple.news
Kinda hoping Choker doesn’t get handed Lemon’s slot
Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News after Dominion lawsuit disclosures — The Washington Post
Tucker Carlson had been the most-watched prime-time host on Fox News and a powerful force within the network.
CNN fires longtime host and anchor Don Lemon — The Washington Post
Lemon, a longtime host for CNN, was chastised recently for on-air comments about the "prime" age of presidential candidate Nikki Haley and other women.
Kinda hoping Choker doesn’t get handed Lemon’s slot
Roger A. Shrubber
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if that happened, who could vouch for the safety of cnn's broadcasting center? ......The news is in the news today:
Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News after Dominion lawsuit disclosures — The Washington Post
Tucker Carlson had been the most-watched prime-time host on Fox News and a powerful force within the network.
CNN fires longtime host and anchor Don Lemon — The Washington Post
Lemon, a longtime host for CNN, was chastised recently for on-air comments about the "prime" age of presidential candidate Nikki Haley and other women.
Kinda hoping Choker doesn’t get handed Lemon’s slot
Bagginski
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Once the admiral has transferred his flag? I’d guess the proud boys or their ilk…just depends on how much the new CNN management wants to sink into the race for the bottom
Roger A. Shrubber
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please, the proud boys aren't fit to be bouncers in a cheap ass bar...
But i honestly don't see fucker going to another network, the only people who would have him cater to magats, and the magats aren't happy with fucker, he turned on cheeto jeebus.
I think it much more likely that he starts his own podcast, and continues to spread lies and misinformation on his own, because he's a miserable scummy piece of shit person, and only seems to find enjoyment in causing unrest and drama for all his viewers.
Roger A. Shrubber
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speaking of the devils chihuahuas, they coincidentally just made the news again...
https://apnews.com/article/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-capitol-riot-trial-4dc5d0d36bc4c39ea924412dbb51780b
https://apnews.com/article/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-capitol-riot-trial-4dc5d0d36bc4c39ea924412dbb51780b
Bagginski
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I’ll bet following in the footsteps of Glenn Beck would send him postal: he wants to be SIGNIFICANT whether he deserves to be or not. His relationship w/ his dad has got to be seriously fucked up
Roger A. Shrubber
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yeah, i don't know that much about his dad, but what i have read makes him seem like a pretty decent guy...got to wonder where he went wrong with fucker.