Turning states evidence!!??

Fyi, I was reading where Marc Emery the self proclaimed Canada's prince of pot agreed to a plea bargain with the US State Dept which will get him 5 years in prison. Emery stated that everything was agreed upon and only needed Canada gov't approval which they will not give.HMMM,I wonder why? My opinion is he will be giving the US everything they want as far as information,mailing list whatever,so anyone ever in contact with him should be a little cautious I'd say. I feel even the Canadian government doesn't want involvment with him and hie erk.Just my opinion.Showgirl

You are way off here. Michelle Rainey one of the other BC3 is a member of our forum. The reason Marc agreed to any deal at all is because the deal included no prosecution of the other 2. You should look at some of the information available about Marc, please. VV

VictorVIcious said:

You are way off here. Michelle Rainey one of the other BC3 is a member of our forum. The reason Marc agreed to any deal at all is because the deal included no prosecution of the other 2. You should look at some of the information available about Marc, please. VV

Click to expand...

on top of that.. who's he gonna rat?? he did it no one else... And if anyone were to go after the breeders it would be canada not the us that's why the breeders sell to the distr... etc etc...

Tell me then what's the plea bargain about .What does the US want out of him?? I thought the Canadian government was enabling the US and now no deal .Explain,please. SG

The US wants too kill him. He has been a thorn in their side. I think he believed the Canandian citizens would rally around for their 'Soverngty' (sp). He openly did everything, smoked , sold seeds, Payed Taxes, survived court fights, basically thumbed his nose at the DEA. He is accussed of selling seeds to US citizens. Its kinda like Elliott Spitzer, he won't be accused of any wrong doing in a court, its the whore we prosecute. The dea can't stop us from growing, no organization is that large so the want to put a Canadian Citizen in an American Jail for being the 'whore' that filled our request.
A lot of people seem to be against Marc Emery. They think he is a showman, and he certainly is that, the part they miss is, he gave the money he made, after paying the taxes on it, to organizations that advocated for the legalization of Marijuana.
I have read posts from people that used a five year plan for growing and retired to Hawaii and this Showman gave his away. Does he want credit for it, yep. Does Labron want credit for scoring 50 points even when the team loses?
A recent prosecution has possible effects for Marc case. And I didn't study it that close so you may have to view it yourself. ANother citizen was prosecuted for selling seeds, I think he had about 3# of them and I think the sentence was like 6 months. The deal for Marc was 10 years, part of it in a US jail, the same offense, selling seeds. Hmmm..... this presents a problem, how do you 'Justify' that?? There are some of us in Michigan that understand how important this "Showman" has been. Most of us get our seeds from Canada. One of our Norml Chapter's the Oakland County Group recently sent a donation to the BC3 defense fund and will be accepting donations for it at the 37th Annual Hash Bash in AnnArbor this Saturday. The weather is supposed to be decent and they are having a squabble about space so it's been well advertised, hope to see you there. VV

showgirl said:

Fyi, I was reading where Marc Emery the self proclaimed Canada's prince of pot agreed to a plea bargain with the US State Dept which will get him 5 years in prison. Emery stated that everything was agreed upon and only needed Canada gov't approval which they will not give.HMMM,I wonder why? My opinion is he will be giving the US everything they want as far as information,mailing list whatever,so anyone ever in contact with him should be a little cautious I'd say. I feel even the Canadian government doesn't want involvment with him and hie erk.Just my opinion.Showgirl

Click to expand...

i was gonna read this but i got stuck looking at your picture instead

Keep in mind also that all of Emerys databases and computers and everything pertaining to his biz were confiscated the first, second and third time he was busted (so he would have nothing "new" to turn states with).The Americans wanted him for money laundering more then anything and he chose this plea bargain so he could remain in Canada instead of being extradited and "lost" in our system.In case you never noticed here in the U.S. the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. The only reason any drugs are illegal here is because the CIA has the drug market cornered(its admittedly how they fund covert ops) so they need these laws to go after their competition.

03-31-2008, 12:57 PM
Michelle K Rainey
Stranger







The BC 3 Should not be Extradited...
permalink
Pubdate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008
Source: National Post (Canada)
Webpage: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=411251
Copyright: 2008 Southam Inc.
Contact: canada.com
Website: http://www.nationalpost.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/286
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Marc+Emery

MARC EMERY SHOULD NOT BE EXTRADITED

This editorial board has more than once presented its strongest moral
case for the Canadian government to block the extradition of Marc
Emery, the West Coast marijuana advocate who faces a possible life
sentence south of the border for operating a mail-order seed business
out of his Vancouver headquarters. It is our view that the
differences in the two countries' handling of seed vendors make
extraditing Emery a shameful abdication of judgment by the Canadian
authorities. Others have argued that (after a fair trial) he deserves
whatever punishment the Americans choose to slap him with. Some take
this view because they regard marijuana as dangerous and destructive,
others because the result of Emery's open goading of the Americans
was quite foreseeable and they find it hard to sympathize.

But now there is a fresh wrinkle in the proceedings, one that even
those most hostile to Emery's cause should be able to see the
absurdity of. Earlier this year Emery was able to arrange a plea
bargain with U.S. prosecutors that would see him accept a 10-year
sentence on their charges, of which he would serve half. Under the
deal his co-accused colleagues would go free and Emery would serve
the first 45 days of his sentence in the U.S., after which he would
be returned to Canada to finish his stretch in a more comfortable
Canadian prison.

All that was needed was the agreement of Canada's department of
justice. But last week, after a month of pessimistic media reports,
they gave a final "No." The Americans insisted on guarantees against
Emery being released before his five years was up, and such
arrangements are forbidden in Canadian law, so no Canadian judge can
order the application of such a sentence. That means Emery will have
to go ahead with the extradition proceedings that were held over in
the face of the plea-bargain, and face a possible life sentence down
south. Catch-22: because Canada is too humane and liberal to apply
the punishment that the Americans would like -- a punishment Emery
has voluntarily agreed to -- there appears to be no option but to
hand him over to the Americans without protection against much worse treatment!

It is time for the Minister of Justice to exercise his prerogative
and end an extradition farce that has become tainted with illogic as
well as inhumanity. If we have a legitimate social interest in seeing
Emery arrested, tried and imprisoned, why don't we do it ourselves?
Why was he permitted to run his business freely and openly in
Vancouver for years (a business recommended to legal users of medical
marijuana by Health Canada) and to pay hundreds of thousands of
dollars in federal and provincial taxes? How can a provision in the
criminal law be taken seriously when it's applied only upon the
urging of a foreign government?

Canadian police, conscious of the awkwardness, are in fact starting
to take belated and perhaps slightly shamefaced action against
Emery's fellow seed dealers. Earlier this month the B.C. Court of
Appeal upheld a sentence imposed on Vancouver Island vendor Daniel
Konstantin, who owned a prizewinning mail-order business advertised
in High Times magazine and had been caught with about three pounds of
seeds. Prosecutors had appealed the decision of the trial judge, who
had given Konstantin a month in jail plus probation. They thought the
sentence should have been all of 15 months. That's how seriously
Canadian justice takes this crime. And it is still a good deal more
seriously than many Canadians, presumably including the 10 million
among us who have tried marijuana at least once, would like.


Michelle posted this yesterday, I didn't see it until today. VV

i want to ask a question but i don't want to come across as a dick.........

what does one expect when they are running a million dollar illegal operation?

i'm all for the fight and our rights but i don't understand this whole story. from what i have read "someone" sold millions of dollars of illegal seeds in the US. they got caught. that's as far as i see.

i'm sure i'm not getting the whole picture here and i would like to fully understand all of this. i'm missing something.

thanks for any insight.

fdd2blk said:

i want to ask a question but i don't want to come across as a dick.........

what does one expect when they are running a million dollar illegal operation?

i'm all for the fight and our rights but i don't understand this whole story. from what i have read "someone" sold millions of dollars of illegal seeds in the US. they got caught. that's as far as i see.

i'm sure i'm not getting the whole picture here and i would like to fully understand all of this. i'm missing something.

thanks for any insight.

Click to expand...

I read all this too and was wondering that same shit. Canada refuses to extradite killers, why are they letting homeboy stay in a fed joint in mich? And i am sure if the canadians wanted to foot the bill for all ten years, the U.S would let them, unless they wanted him for something. And to turn states evidence, you have to be willing to tell on someone, even if he is saving his friends
Can't judge what you would do until put in that position. But if they are offering states evidence, someone is snitching.

40acres said:

I read all this too and was wondering that same shit. Canada refuses to extradite killers, why are they letting homeboy stay in a fed joint in mich? And i am sure if the canadians wanted to foot the bill for all ten years, the U.S would let them, unless they wanted him for something. And to turn states evidence, you have to be willing to tell on someone, even if he is saving his friends
Can't judge what you would do until put in that position. But if they are offering states evidence, someone is snitching.

Click to expand...

this is how i feel. that is why i fully want to understand the issues.

To me something is not right here.Think about it The United States wants him Canadian Conservative Gov't historicaly being in bed with the Bush's agreeing so there he is.If nothing else he is to be made an example off.What is in the plea bargain besides the Canadian Imprisionment and the saving of the other 2? Is that it? I doubt it that's all I'm saying.Never seen a plea deal that anyone would freely want to take. I have my nose to the wind and I don't like the smell.I would love to give him the benifit of the doubt but I just don't know.Peace Showgirl

U tube has lots of video. The things you are asking, other than the records and states evidence, is why this does not make sense. Why would Marc Emery ever think the Canadian Government would let a Canadian Citizen be extradited for selling seeds. He wasn't exporting drugs to the United States. Too the DEA, he is public enemy #1 and they don't care what it costs to get him. They have already spent Millions on this. Compare the sentence given to Ed Rosenthal to the one they want for Marc Emery.
The only reason he would accept an agreement was because they agreed not too prosecute his two codefendent, one of whom is Michelle Rainey. She is a member of this forum and I hope you will take the time to research these folks if you have any doubts about them.
I am not fond of his tactics, some one had to do something. ANd the video with the DEA is a real scream. Michelle will probably die without Medical Marijuana, which she would not be allowed to have in an American Jail. VV

Was Emery not legally selling his seeds in Canada?, When he paid his taxed his tittle was "Marijuana Vendor". It was no secret to Canada what he was doing, they chose not to act so how is it fair that the DEA can arrest him for something that was legal in Canada, I do not understand that.

I think it was because they openly shipped to the US.. Technically no seed companies are allowed to ship the the States because it is illegal..
I have heard stories though.. If you are ordering seeds be smart..

Well ,i can't see that happening that Michelle would be left for dead but sure would be used as a scare tactic for sure.Only hope (and not holding breath)is time and 2 changes of gov'ts Democrats and Liberals for Canada.At least Canada is somewhat on the right track.Showgirl

i'm still stuck on the "millions of dollars made selling illegal seeds in the US".
way back at square 1.

fdd2blk said:

i'm still stuck on the "millions of dollars made selling illegal seeds in the US".
way back at square 1.

Click to expand...

That's what it's about... Making a point the US is blaming Marc for the epidemic..... MONEY they spent so much, they don't wanna lose face... Called setting an example...

I don't think the US is that stupid to think Canada was going to approve and sign off on his complete US sentence in Canada. Just not done between gov'ts. They are out for him for sure. Crazyness altogether.imo Showgirl