Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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my1stgrow said:
UB I hear u speak on these "snake oils" alot and I'm gonna assume your referring to fancy labeled synthetic nutrients (I.E. advanced nutrients), yet u also say your not a purist and I'm gonna assume u mean that u don't mind a little synthetics in your organtics. So my 1st question is am I right in my assumptions, and my 2nd is exactly what is your take on running a combination of the 2? I've had my best yield with synthetics, yet my best quality with straight organtics (tho it could very well be alot of other factors in play) so I'm thinking of running the 2 together then in the last couple weeks just going with straight organtics. Thanks in advance...
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Organics or synthetics, it's all about the ratio of NPK and micros. That means you need to understand plant nutrition. Charts and other crap will not help you. They are designed to help the pocketbook of the vendor. Plants are dynamic. You can not put them on a schedule.
 
Uncle Ben said:
Organics or synthetics, it's all about the ratio of NPK and micros. That means you need to understand plant nutrition. Charts and other crap will not help you. They are designed to help the pocketbook of the vendor. Plants are dynamic. You can not put them on a schedule.
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So if I feed them organics 1 watering and synthetics the next, it won't affect uptake or anything like that as long as my ratios are in tack? Or let's say I mix the 2 in a single watering is this ok? I guess I'm asking for the pros and cons of this (if any) thanks... By the way my topped vegging plants are looking great I can't wait to start flowering them...
 
I was actually wondering about this. I use organics in veg because of the myco and bacteria, then I use synthetics in flower i.e. Maxi bloom(npk 5-15-14), koolbloom and supernatural superlicious. I Just bought Hydro Organics rainbow mix bloom (npk 1-9-2) I bought it because of the humic acid and mycorrhizae. I want to grow organic but dont want to sacrifice quantity. Im growing under 2k hps lights with a 6'x'4 scrog. Any advice?
 
hardknox72 said:
I was actually wondering about this. I use organics in veg because of the myco and bacteria, then I use synthetics in flower i.e. Maxi bloom(npk 5-15-14), koolbloom and supernatural superlicious. I Just bought Hydro Organics rainbow mix bloom (npk 1-9-2) I bought it because of the humic acid and mycorrhizae. I want to grow organic but dont want to sacrifice quantity. Im growing under 2k hps lights with a 6'x'4 scrog. Any advice?
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OK fellers, enough is enough. Take it to the right forum and don't hijack this thread.

Thanks
 
sorry for spelling and hope all can understand with out getting mad

im a newbe very newbe never have grown anything in my life befor and this is first plant and never have seen one but in pics so please bear with me im wanting and have been reading and looking im wanting to top my plant and as ub said i dont have a clue as to were the 2nd and 3rd node i belive i do but not sure i belive the first leaf is a cotyledons and attach and doesn't count. but after that i have like 3 leafs for the first couple sprat outs and then it goes into the 5 leafs is that the fan leafs i hope all is with me and i will post pics and yes i did look as you posted first trying to find out the plant parts like you said to here
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...ns-topping-technique-get-123.html#post3351245 as that would have been a lot of help but could not find i am growing outside from start to finish i germination the seed in paper towls and then put it in the ground in my back yard its slow growing but it looks green and heathy it has been ther since about the 28th of march i have a 6 foot stock ade fince and dont want it to grow past it as of right now it about 12 to 15 inch tall please help in toping it i have good luck with pics as i dont reed very well please if you have any quistions please ask as i will do my best to answer i will post pics in the next few days as my cam cord will come in im sorry for the book but im confuised as hell over this and just trying to do it right thx for any and all help
 

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and this is how i veg them till 4 weeks before flower and then re pot and re pot again a week before i turn then over to flower
in the 2-3 week i use bamboo and pull the sides out
 

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Hey Uncle Ben, coming to you from Cen*Cal here.This is my first grow and I used your topping method for 4 colas and.....it worked great. I just have 1 question for you, if you have the time. I topped and saw results within 48 hours. Great. But on this same plant the lower leaf tips and edges have been yellowing and falling off going upwards and now it has started to reach the new growth. It also has been occurring on a few other seedlings as well. I will take better pics tomorrow. Also I'm using Kellogg Patio Plus Soil(ph of 7.1) in pots and super soil in the ground mixed with native soil and compost(ph of 6.8)........with the exception of 2 plants in some local nursery potting soil(which are both at a Ph of 6.2). I started feeding MG All Purpose fertz at 1/8 strength right before i transplanted because the first set of serrated leaves yellowed and fell off. The second picture is the baby that is suffering the worst. If you could be of any help I would appreciate it. Also the weather has been between the low 80's and mid/upper 90's with humidty as low as 20% daytime and as high as 70% nighttime IMAG0212.jpgIMAG0214.jpgIMAG0213.jpgIMAG0215.jpgIMAG0216.jpgIMAG0217.jpgIMAG0218.jpgIMAG0219.jpgIMAG0220.jpgIMAG0221.jpgIMAG0223.jpgIMAG0226.jpgIMAG0227.jpg
 
FresnoFarmer said:
Hey Uncle Ben, coming to you from Cen*Cal here.This is my first grow and I used your topping method for 4 colas and.....it worked great. I just have 1 question for you, if you have the time. I topped and saw results within 48 hours. Great. But on this same plant the lower leaf tips and edges have been yellowing and falling off going upwards and now it has started to reach the new growth. It also has been occurring on a few other seedlings as well. I will take better pics tomorrow. Also I'm using Kellogg Patio Plus Soil(ph of 7.1) in pots and super soil in the ground mixed with native soil and compost(ph of 6.8)........with the exception of 2 plants in some local nursery potting soil(which are both at a Ph of 6.2). I started feeding MG All Purpose fertz at 1/8 strength right before i transplanted because the first set of serrated leaves yellowed and fell off. The second picture is the baby that is suffering the worst. If you could be of any help I would appreciate it. Also the weather has been between the low 80's and mid/upper 90's with humidty as low as 20% daytime and as high as 70% nighttime View attachment 2174471View attachment 2174472View attachment 2174488View attachment 2174473View attachment 2174489View attachment 2174474View attachment 2174475View attachment 2174476View attachment 2174477View attachment 2174478View attachment 2174479View attachment 2174480View attachment 2174481
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Without following your day to day activities or having a guesstimate of the soil's nutrition charge, I don't have a clue. Looks like to me you're losing your root system though. When you flood the pots, how quick does the water drain?

UB
 
The water drains in about a minute or two. They get sunlight from ten till five. Day to day activities......I just mist my leaves before the sun rises. And I water once a week with tap water that i let sit for 72 hours. I have only fed once with the MG All Purpose at 1/8 strength. You think maybe I need to feed at 1/4 strength? I fed them 3 days ago. I just transplanted them all from solo cups. They are 4 week old seedlings. Strains include: Purple Kush, Lemon Kush, Og Kush, and a few Bubbas.
I couldn't find the NPK ratio to the soil I have in the pots.IMAG0270 (1).jpg
 
FresnoFarmer said:
The water drains in about a minute or two. They get sunlight from ten till five. Day to day activities......I just mist my leaves before the sun rises. And I water once a week with tap water that i let sit for 72 hours. I have only fed once with the MG All Purpose at 1/8 strength. You think maybe I need to feed at 1/4 strength? I fed them 3 days ago. I just transplanted them all from solo cups. They are 4 week old seedlings. Strains include: Purple Kush, Lemon Kush, Og Kush, and a few Bubbas.
I couldn't find the NPK ratio to the soil I have in the pots.View attachment 2174997
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I'd try 1 tsp/gallon and see what happens. It should be a 3-1-2 ratio or something close. 1/8 tsp is just wasting your time.
 
I will definitely up the nutes to at least 1/2 strength. I was just kind of scared to burn them with all these people frying there plants, but then again it could be that they are just giving too much too soon. Anyways I appreciate your input I will definitely utilize this new knowledge.

Also great thread by the way. I got a kick out of everybody not knowing where to cut when you specifically said cutting ABOVE 1st node=2 main colas and cutting ABOVE(not "at" lol) 2nd node=4 main colas in the first page lmao.

Is reading really that hard people??

Well I'll be checking you out.

Cen*Cal
 
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Another pic of UB topped sativa.

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If this has been covered I missed it as I haven't read all 430 pages! I have been keeping up for the last couple months, though. I have topped to get the four main branches but need to tighten them up some more so I'm wondering if going to eight main branches is the way to go. These are in pots outdoors and will go in the ground within a week. They will have about 50 cubic ft. for 3 or 4 plants in a 6x8' planter so they still have lots of room and time to grow. They have to be kept below 6', 5' would really be better. I will eventually LST and whatever else needs to be done. They are very healthy and 26-30" tall. Next step?

Oh, the breeder says they prune very well and still develop large colas. They are Sativa dominant and are Rishi Kush and Krystallica by Mandala Seeds.

Double oh, my local mentor said to clip each of the four branches above their first node. Agree? They all have eight nodes on each of the four branches.
 
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