USA move closer to equality in wages

ChesusRice said:

And if Sanders isn't on the ballot
You plan on writing him in basically giving a vote to Trump
Great solution

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If just enough of us vote for him to beat the other two, it would be.

I'm sorry that you feel that you have no choices but the ones the television tells you.

ttystikk said:

Nice list of Faux Spews taking points, but the government doesn't work like your small business. Why? Because your small business operates in the legal environment government sets.

Your business would suffer only if no one else had to raise minimum wages, AND if most people earned minimum wage it close to it. Neither of these basic assumptions are correct.

What will happen is that only those businesses who employ lots of near minimum wage workers will need to raise prices - and increased demand from all those worked with additional spending power will spur the economy and help your business, by increasing SALES, which is where your paycheck and everyone else's who works for you ultimately comes from.

DEMAND SIDE ECONOMICS; CUSTOMERS DRIVE PROFITABILITY. If you haven't figured this out by now, you're running your show like your hobby- no wonder you're feeling squeezed.

The customer base has been so abused in this country for so long that we've lost the very middle class that used to drive our economy to be the envy of the world. When was that? The 1950s and 60s... when corporate taxes were higher, tax on wages lower, worker incomes were higher due to unions...

And we as a nation did great things, like set foot on the moon.

Now our paranoid country has built a monster military off the backs of higher taxes on workers- who also got stuck with lower wages, destroying their buying power as consumers of goods and services like the ones your business provides.

It's time to start voting for your workers, bro; without them, you got no business, because yours and everyone else's workers ARE the drivers of our economy and taking money from their hands actually IS taking it from your own mouth.

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A person on a fixed income doesn't benefit from government caused inflation.

Why do you hate old people ?

ttystikk said:

If just enough of us vote for him to beat the other two, it would be.

I'm sorry that you feel that you have no choices but the ones the television tells you.

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You are confused. Voting doesn't reflect a real choice. It proves there is NO REAL CHOICE allowed.


A real choice can only exist if "none of the above" is a viable option. If you can't be exempt from the result of how others vote....your choice has been removed.

ChesusRice said:

And if Sanders isn't on the ballot
You plan on writing him in basically giving a vote to Trump
Great solution

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The outcome has already been pre-determined, Hillary is the anointed one. The corruption has won, just like @ttystikk said.

Mark my words, regardless of what else happens, this is Hillary's game now. Another 4 years of the Bush family in office, effectively.

Mike Huntherz presents a brief history of the US of A in my lifetime:
Carter happened, his bosses are basically the same as Obama's, but represent the power-elite nonetheless. Jimmy Carter's legacy includes an uncelebrated war in East Timor, the Gas Crisis, and all the ugly stuff with Iran. Carter was pretty cool after he left office, though. Then from 1980 until 1981, when Reagan was shot and turned into a blithering idiot, he was president. Then George HW was effectively in control, and ran the whole Iran Contra shit like a CIA-boss. Then we have him for president, officially. Then he throws the re-election campaign (see Hunter S. Thompson's Better Than Sex) and allows Billy in, because he played ball on the whole Iran-Contra thing, to which the Whitewater scandal is connected. You can research that on your own, here's a hint:


(The Bush and Clinton families go on golfing vacations together, for fuck's sake) and so we had 8 years of Billy while the economy grew a huge bubble, banks, utilities and finance were deregulated, globalist free trade agreements snuck in, and the prison state was bolstered like never before. Then we had more Bush, and even more Bush in the form of W, and a terror attack closed the loop on the prison state through new emergency laws that circumvented almost every constitutional protection we had, and now we cheer when robots murder Americans outside of due process under the law, we are OK with torturing people and universal surveillance. If we aren't OK with it, why aren't we taking the streets? Did I mention the economy tanked and created a $1.2 QUADRILLION DOLLAR BLACK-HOLE in the form of toxic synthetic derivatives. That's 20 times larger than the planetary economy.

Obama's masters differed only slightly (the Ford Foundation, Brzezenski and Kissinger crowd, go read Webster Tarpley's books about Obama, do it.)

Now we're going to have the Clinton-Bush team again. If it isn't abundantly apparent the game is rigged and these are aristo-oligarchic dynasties then you're not paying attention or you're lying to yourself.

@ttystikk your post is spot on, and well said. I'm too pissed off to be cogent at the moment.

ttystikk said:

If just enough of us vote for him to beat the other two, it would be.

I'm sorry that you feel that you have no choices but the ones the television tells you.

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You are pathetic

Michael Huntherz said:

The outcome has already been pre-determined, Hillary is the anointed one. The corruption has won, just like @ttystikk said.

Mark my words, regardless of what else happens, this is Hillary's game now. Another 4 years of the Bush family in office, effectively.

Mike Huntherz presents a brief history of the US of A in my lifetime:
Carter happened, his bosses are basically the same as Obama's, but represent the power-elite nonetheless. Carter was pretty cool after he left office, though. Then from 1980 until 1981, when Reagan was shot and turned into a blithering idiot, he was president. Then George HW was effectively in control, and ran the whole Iran Contra shit like a CIA-boss. Then we have him for president, officially. Then he throws the re-election campaign (see Hunter S Thompson's Better Than Sex) and allows Billy in, because he played ball on the whole Iran-Contra thing, to which the Whitewater scandal is connected. You can research that on your own. (The Bush and Clinton families go on golfing vacations together, for fuck's sake) and so we had 8 years of Billy while the economy grew a huge bubble, banks, utilities and finance were deregulated, globalist free trade agreements sneak in, and the prison state was bolstered like never before. Then we had more Bush, and even more Bush in the form of W, and a terror attack closed the loop on the prison state, circumventing almost every constitutional protection we had, and now we cheer when robots murder Americans outside of due process under the law, we are OK with torturing people and universal surveillance. If we aren't OK with it, why aren't we taking the streets? Did I mention the economy tanked and created a $1.2 QUADRILLION DOLLAR BLACK-HOLE in the form of toxic synthetic derivatives. That's 20 times larger than the planetary economy.

Obama's masters differed only slightly (the Ford Foundation, Brzezenski and Kissinger crowd, go read Webster Tarpley's books about Obama, do it.)

Now we're going to have the Clinton-Bush team again. If it isn't abundantly apparent the game is rigged and these are aristo-oligarchic dynasties then you're not paying attention or you're lying to yourself.

@ttystikk your post is spot on, and well said. I'm too pissed off to be cogent at the moment.

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Yet highly educational, nonetheless.

ChesusRice said:

You are pathetic

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Why? Because I refuse to accept that the only choices for our country's future are the ones shown on tee vee?

It's your future too; why do you want everyone to settle for second best?

@Michael Huntherz if we aren't okay with it, why aren't we taking the streets?

Because we've let the oligarchs divide us, conquer us, impoverish us, take away our civil and constitutional rights and tell us that we don't have a say in how our system works unless we have money.

@ChesusRice has swallowed their narrative whole, hook, line and sinker, to the point where he has lost the will to think outside the box they've created for him. Worse, he's condemning all of us to live in that same box.

ttystikk said:

@Michael Huntherz if we aren't okay with it, why aren't we taking the streets?

Because we've let the oligarchs divide us, conquer us, impoverish us, take away our civil and constitutional rights and tell us that we don't have a say in how our system works unless we have money.

@ChesusRice has swallowed their narrative whole, hook, line and sinker, to the point where he has lost the will to think outside the box they've created for him. Worse, he's condemning all of us to live in that same box.

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Points awarded to the man with the pointy green ears!
I'm going to go look at the garden and calm the fuck down.
Peace and love errybody.

ttystikk said:

@Michael Huntherz if we aren't okay with it, why aren't we taking the streets?

Because we've let the oligarchs divide us, conquer us, impoverish us, take away our civil and constitutional rights and tell us that we don't have a say in how our system works unless we have money.

@ChesusRice has swallowed their narrative whole, hook, line and sinker, to the point where he has lost the will to think outside the box they've created for him. Worse, he's condemning all of us to live in that same box.

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If Sanders isn't on the ticket how is he going to WIN?
Why are you hoping for a Trump victory just because your messiah didn't win the nomination?

ChesusRice said:

If Sanders isn't on the ticket how is he going to WIN?
Why are you hoping for a Trump victory just because your messiah didn't win the nomination?

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You've locked yourself in your own box and thrown away the key to your freedom.

ChesusRice said:

If Sanders isn't on the ticket how is he going to WIN?
Why are you hoping for a Trump victory just because your messiah didn't win the nomination?

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Carefully ignore anything that might contain facts and you'll never understand why. If the people in this country who believe in Bernard Sanders wrote Bernard Sanders on the ballot we could still win, but it takes bravery and faith. Cowards call the brave foolhardy, and that's OK.

Michael Huntherz said:

Carefully ignore anything that might contain facts and you'll never understand why. If the people in this country who believe in Bernard Sanders wrote Bernard Sanders on the ballot we could still win, but it takes bravery and faith. Cowards call the brave foolhardy, and that's OK.

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Spoken like a true Sandernista!

Republicrats and Demublicans ARE BOTH BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE SAME MONEYED INTERESTS, @ChesusRice

THEY are the threats to our democracy, one no more or less than the other.

The only way to reassert the will of We the People, the 'other' 99% of American citizens, is to wrest the power from their hands. The only way to do that is to NOT vote for them.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate not bought by the oligarchs.

ttystikk said:

Spoken like a true Sandernista!

Republicrats and Demublicans ARE BOTH BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE SAME MONEYED INTERESTS, @ChesusRice

THEY are the threats to our democracy, one no more or less than the other.

The only way to reassert the will of We the People, the 'other' 99% of American citizens, is to wrest the power from their hands. The only way to do that is to NOT vote for them.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate not bought by the oligarchs.

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I plan on Voting for Sanders if he wins the nomination
You plan on voting for Trump if he loses.

ChesusRice said:

Maybe with a second job and that extra 25 bucks a day this employee can get a education
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Maybe. My education was free because I donated my time and labor to learn the beginnings of my trade(s).

You guys want equality in the workforce when it comes to pay, but no one talks about equal skill sets/abilities to go along with this pay.

You want more out of life, then you need to bring more to the table than just your time. Over 300 million people living in this country so a person better show up with more to offer than something everyone else already has.

ChesusRice said:

I plan on Voting for Sanders if he wins the nomination
You plan on voting for Trump if he loses.

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Do you ever plan on pulling your head out of the sand?

Enquiring minds wanna know!

Michael Huntherz said:

Carefully ignore anything that might contain facts and you'll never understand why. If the people in this country who believe in Bernard Sanders wrote Bernard Sanders on the ballot we could still win, but it takes bravery and faith. Cowards call the brave foolhardy, and that's OK.

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Many will do just that. I expect Bernie to have more write-ins than any other candidate in history. Mickey Mouse doesn't stand a chance.

But Hillary is still going to get more votes than the two combined.

And Trump is going to steam roll them all.

ttystikk said:

Do you ever plan on pulling your head out of the sand?

Enquiring minds wanna know!

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You still going to write in Sanders if he doesn't get the nomination?

Jimdamick said:

I say BS. The Capitalist slave (employees) owners have been singing that song forever, and it has been proven wrong time and time again. Sure they will increase prices to make up the difference, but the benefit to the economy will be enormous, as disposable income will come into play, and people can pay for more services, like buying a new pair of shoes for their kids, and actually afford to bring their family out for dinner, even if it is Burger King.
See, Burger King wins, the shoe store wins, everyone wins. Got it?

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Then why not print up lots of currency and give everyone a million dollars?

Michael Huntherz said:

Carefully ignore anything that might contain facts and you'll never understand why. If the people in this country who believe in Bernard Sanders wrote Bernard Sanders on the ballot we could still win, but it takes bravery and faith. Cowards call the brave foolhardy, and that's OK.

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What will happen to the people that would prefer not to be forcibly imposed on by Bernie and his crew? Will they be left alone or will ahem "peace loving" Bernie's gun come out?

Rob Roy said:

Then why not print up lots of currency and give everyone a million dollars?




What will happen to the people that would prefer not to be forcibly imposed on by Bernie and his crew? Will they be left alone or will ahem "peace loving" Bernie's gun come out?

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You are an incredibly self-absorbed person with nothing of value to add to the conversation, go die alone in your solipsist fantasy world.