Validation/advices about my first grow space project

Clem39

Member
Hi everyone !

This will be a long post, as I'm here to validate the setup I'm planning to get.
Thanks to those among you who will be willing to take time to show me the way :)
The others, I still love you, peace fellow humans !

I'll try not to give too much details so this post stays readable (edit : it failed), feel free to ask any precision !
This will be my first grow, but as I have a strong tendency to overthink things, I've already researched a lot on the subject.
To summarize the project rapidely : I plan to put 4 big plants in a 120 x 120 cm tent, with a 300W LED full spectrum light.

Some things are already decided (and mainly ordered) : the lights and the seeds.

LIGHTS
Main full spectrum LED light : Mars Hydro TSW 2000
Additionnal UV lights (X2)

I've done a long and deep research about lights, so I'm pretty sure of this choice ;)
About the UV lights : I think I'll get 2 and hang them pretty high, to have a uniform exposure in the grow space, because I won't be able to center it, the main light being already in the center of the tent.


SEEDS
I'm not sure this is relevant to choose the gear, but in case you're curious, I bought :
- Crystal White (Spliff Seeds) féminisée
- Runtz (Zamnesia Seeds) féminisée


Now, let's talk about the rest !
I got most of the links on Growshops.fr, but I can order somewhere else, I'm even thinking about going in an IRL grow shop, I'll see...


TENT
As I said, I think I'll take a 120 x 120 cm (4x4 feet) tent. This may be a little too big for 4 plants, but I want to have some space around for ventilation and such.
This one seems nice : Chambre de culture 120 x 120 x 200 cm - Black Silver - Growshops


AERATION
Aeration is my main questioning right now. If you are willing to answer a single topic in this post, please answer this one :)
From what I read online and in books, I should aim to fully replace the air in my tent every 1 to 5 minutes.
For the size of tent I plan to get, that would mean a 120CFM (or 200 m3/h) extraction to replace air every minute.
I'm aware I'll have to add 25% to this if I decide to use a carbon filter (not decided yet, will be in my cave so...).
There won't be much duct, air will just be blowed out of the tent in a cave, not outside of the house.
I've read that with HPS lights, an intake is advised too, since the air needs replacement not only for CO2, but to keep the place cool too, so the air flow have to be efficient.
I didn't find many informations about tents with LED lights tho... I'm pretty sure it has to differ since the heat output is far from the same (500 BTU for my light).
So, here's the question : do you think I'll need an intake with the tent and light I'm planning to get ? I think a passive intake with a 100-150 CFM extraction would be enough ?
If a passive intake is enough, one more question : would you use a filter of some kind on the passive intake, to avoid contamination with god knows what ?

About the gear, it seems there is 2 different kind of ventilation :
- Duct ventilation (cheaper), like this : Extracteur Aérateur de gaine VKOk Turbo - 150 mm 358 mc/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
- Or "proper" extractors, like this : Extracteur Air TT 150mm 467 à 552 m3/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
Would a duct ventilation be enough (if the CFM is enough of course) ? Or is there any reason I can't use only one of these and should get a proper extractor ?

About internal ventilation, I'm aware this is required too, I'll get one or too fans like this : Ventilateur oscillant - Clip Fan - 18cm - 20w - 2 vitesses - Advanced Star - Growshops


POTS
About the pots, I've heard Airpots and such (pots with holes and none cylindrical shape) are a must to avoid roots to grow in circle following the edge of the pot, and to maximize roots oxygenation. So I think I'll get that kind of thing.
But I'm really hesitating on the size... Should I get 7, 10, even 20 liters pots ?
I can afford to have 20L pots, since I'm planning to pu only 4 plants. That would mean pots will take a 70 x 70 cm space in my 120 x 120 tent.
But won't 20L pots allow the plants to grow too much ? won't they become too big for the space I've got (mainly the 200cm height limit) ?


SOIL / FERTILIZER
I've heard a lot of good things about BioBizz, plus their fertilizers line is 100% natural.
So I'm thinking about getting :
- Soil : All·Mix - Biobizz
- Fertilizers : Pack Engrais Biobizz Starters Pack - Growshops


MONITORING / CONTROL
It is apparently very important to only give water at a 6.5 PH, so I'll get a PH-meter and PH modifiers :

I was wondering if getting one of these to control the soil itself would be a good idea : pH-mètre pour le sol - Triple fonction pH, Humidité et Luxmètre - Growshops
What do you think ? it can display PH and humidity in the soil. So maybe it can help with knowing when to water ?

I know some people get an EC tester too, to control the amount of nutriments in the water (I've got the datas about what EC you should aim at what stage of growth)
Since I plan to use the BioBizz fertilizers, and they have a precise dosage calandar, wouldn't it be a bit overkill to control it futher with an EC meter ?
Would you get one anyway and control water+fertilizers mix with it, just to be sure ?


ABOUT CO2
This is the one thing I didn't research much for now... I've seen that you can add CO2 to your grow space to optimize growth.
If I understood correctly, CO2 supplementation is usefull (necessary even ?) if you've got more than 1000 PAR on the plants.
Would some passive thing like this be any beneficial ? or is it completely useless ?
I'm not willing to spend money on a CO2 system, so if you tell me this kind of cheap CO2 supplementation is uselss, I'll drop this matter for now.


WELL ! Thanks for reading all this, I hope I'm not forgetting anything, any help or advices you can give me will be greatly appreciated :)
 

Southside112

Well-Known Member
I would get a 6" extraction fan w dimmer and just turn it down. Always good to have more than you need. Intake fan should not be necessary with your lights.
Soil ph meter not necessary. Just get your Ph and nutrient strength lined out before feeding.
Ferts I prefer dyna-grow. GH trio or any other balanced formula will be fine. Get a bottle of cal mag.
If your only doing 4 plants I would do 7 gallon pots in a 4x4. Remember to be conscious of your vertical height limits as well. If your in a 6 foot tent and your lights need 20" plus the exhaust fan your going to only be able to grow like 3.5 feet plants.

I like fabric pots but any pot should work.
Good luck.
 

HydroKid239

Well-Known Member
Hi everyone !

This will be a long post, as I'm here to validate the setup I'm planning to get.
Thanks to those among you who will be willing to take time to show me the way :)
The others, I still love you, peace fellow humans !

I'll try not to give too much details so this post stays readable (edit : it failed), feel free to ask any precision !
This will be my first grow, but as I have a strong tendency to overthink things, I've already researched a lot on the subject.
To summarize the project rapidely : I plan to put 4 big plants in a 120 x 120 cm tent, with a 300W LED full spectrum light.

Some things are already decided (and mainly ordered) : the lights and the seeds.

LIGHTS
Main full spectrum LED light : Mars Hydro TSW 2000
Additionnal UV lights (X2)

I've done a long and deep research about lights, so I'm pretty sure of this choice ;)
About the UV lights : I think I'll get 2 and hang them pretty high, to have a uniform exposure in the grow space, because I won't be able to center it, the main light being already in the center of the tent.


SEEDS
I'm not sure this is relevant to choose the gear, but in case you're curious, I bought :
- Crystal White (Spliff Seeds) féminisée
- Runtz (Zamnesia Seeds) féminisée


Now, let's talk about the rest !
I got most of the links on Growshops.fr, but I can order somewhere else, I'm even thinking about going in an IRL grow shop, I'll see...


TENT
As I said, I think I'll take a 120 x 120 cm (4x4 feet) tent. This may be a little too big for 4 plants, but I want to have some space around for ventilation and such.
This one seems nice : Chambre de culture 120 x 120 x 200 cm - Black Silver - Growshops


AERATION
Aeration is my main questioning right now. If you are willing to answer a single topic in this post, please answer this one :)
From what I read online and in books, I should aim to fully replace the air in my tent every 1 to 5 minutes.
For the size of tent I plan to get, that would mean a 120CFM (or 200 m3/h) extraction to replace air every minute.
I'm aware I'll have to add 25% to this if I decide to use a carbon filter (not decided yet, will be in my cave so...).
There won't be much duct, air will just be blowed out of the tent in a cave, not outside of the house.
I've read that with HPS lights, an intake is advised too, since the air needs replacement not only for CO2, but to keep the place cool too, so the air flow have to be efficient.
I didn't find many informations about tents with LED lights tho... I'm pretty sure it has to differ since the heat output is far from the same (500 BTU for my light).
So, here's the question : do you think I'll need an intake with the tent and light I'm planning to get ? I think a passive intake with a 100-150 CFM extraction would be enough ?
If a passive intake is enough, one more question : would you use a filter of some kind on the passive intake, to avoid contamination with god knows what ?

About the gear, it seems there is 2 different kind of ventilation :
- Duct ventilation (cheaper), like this : Extracteur Aérateur de gaine VKOk Turbo - 150 mm 358 mc/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
- Or "proper" extractors, like this : Extracteur Air TT 150mm 467 à 552 m3/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
Would a duct ventilation be enough (if the CFM is enough of course) ? Or is there any reason I can't use only one of these and should get a proper extractor ?

About internal ventilation, I'm aware this is required too, I'll get one or too fans like this : Ventilateur oscillant - Clip Fan - 18cm - 20w - 2 vitesses - Advanced Star - Growshops


POTS
About the pots, I've heard Airpots and such (pots with holes and none cylindrical shape) are a must to avoid roots to grow in circle following the edge of the pot, and to maximize roots oxygenation. So I think I'll get that kind of thing.
But I'm really hesitating on the size... Should I get 7, 10, even 20 liters pots ?
I can afford to have 20L pots, since I'm planning to pu only 4 plants. That would mean pots will take a 70 x 70 cm space in my 120 x 120 tent.
But won't 20L pots allow the plants to grow too much ? won't they become too big for the space I've got (mainly the 200cm height limit) ?


SOIL / FERTILIZER
I've heard a lot of good things about BioBizz, plus their fertilizers line is 100% natural.
So I'm thinking about getting :
- Soil : All·Mix - Biobizz
- Fertilizers : Pack Engrais Biobizz Starters Pack - Growshops


MONITORING / CONTROL
It is apparently very important to only give water at a 6.5 PH, so I'll get a PH-meter and PH modifiers :

I was wondering if getting one of these to control the soil itself would be a good idea : pH-mètre pour le sol - Triple fonction pH, Humidité et Luxmètre - Growshops
What do you think ? it can display PH and humidity in the soil. So maybe it can help with knowing when to water ?

I know some people get an EC tester too, to control the amount of nutriments in the water (I've got the datas about what EC you should aim at what stage of growth)
Since I plan to use the BioBizz fertilizers, and they have a precise dosage calandar, wouldn't it be a bit overkill to control it futher with an EC meter ?
Would you get one anyway and control water+fertilizers mix with it, just to be sure ?


ABOUT CO2
This is the one thing I didn't research much for now... I've seen that you can add CO2 to your grow space to optimize growth.
If I understood correctly, CO2 supplementation is usefull (necessary even ?) if you've got more than 1000 PAR on the plants.
Would some passive thing like this be any beneficial ? or is it completely useless ?
I'm not willing to spend money on a CO2 system, so if you tell me this kind of cheap CO2 supplementation is uselss, I'll drop this matter for now.


WELL ! Thanks for reading all this, I hope I'm not forgetting anything, any help or advices you can give me will be greatly appreciated :)
Toile épaisse 210D ---- if that is the thickness of the material then scratch that tent off. Mars Hydro has 1680D canvas & diamond mylar.
UK: https://bit.ly/2YtUFXz
EU: https://bit.ly/34emF4c
AU: https://bit.ly/3fmBFk3
Better material, better reflection. I own one, and a TS1000. They are legit.

Check out the tent in my journal. Link is below.
 

Clem39

Member
Toile épaisse 210D ---- if that is the thickness of the material then scratch that tent off. Mars Hydro has 1680D canvas & diamond mylar.
Yes, this is the thickness... I'll go in a IRL grow shop tommorow to see what they have, I'll keep this in mind.
About the Mars Hydro tents, that was my plan at first, since I already bought the light there, but I've seen bad reviews about them, saying those are cheap tents easily breaking, with light leaks... so I changed my mind...
Since you own one, what do you think ? was this review a lie ?
 

HydroKid239

Well-Known Member
Yes, this is the thickness... I'll go in a IRL grow shop tommorow to see what they have, I'll keep this in mind.
About the Mars Hydro tents, that was my plan at first, since I already bought the light there, but I've seen bad reviews about them, saying those are cheap tents easily breaking, with light leaks... so I changed my mind...
Since you own one, what do you think ? was this review a lie ?
I won’t lie.. at night with light on inside I can see a pin hole or 2 on the backside of the tent from the outside.. this is light from the inside making it out. But I went inside the tent and zipped it up, and had the ts1000 on 100% power shined on the tent all over, and the light never got inside. :clap: So I’m impressed.
 
Hi everyone !

This will be a long post, as I'm here to validate the setup I'm planning to get.
Thanks to those among you who will be willing to take time to show me the way :)
The others, I still love you, peace fellow humans !

I'll try not to give too much details so this post stays readable (edit : it failed), feel free to ask any precision !
This will be my first grow, but as I have a strong tendency to overthink things, I've already researched a lot on the subject.
To summarize the project rapidely : I plan to put 4 big plants in a 120 x 120 cm tent, with a 300W LED full spectrum light.

Some things are already decided (and mainly ordered) : the lights and the seeds.

LIGHTS
Main full spectrum LED light : Mars Hydro TSW 2000
Additionnal UV lights (X2)

I've done a long and deep research about lights, so I'm pretty sure of this choice ;)
About the UV lights : I think I'll get 2 and hang them pretty high, to have a uniform exposure in the grow space, because I won't be able to center it, the main light being already in the center of the tent.


SEEDS
I'm not sure this is relevant to choose the gear, but in case you're curious, I bought :
- Crystal White (Spliff Seeds) féminisée
- Runtz (Zamnesia Seeds) féminisée


Now, let's talk about the rest !
I got most of the links on Growshops.fr, but I can order somewhere else, I'm even thinking about going in an IRL grow shop, I'll see...


TENT
As I said, I think I'll take a 120 x 120 cm (4x4 feet) tent. This may be a little too big for 4 plants, but I want to have some space around for ventilation and such.
This one seems nice : Chambre de culture 120 x 120 x 200 cm - Black Silver - Growshops


AERATION
Aeration is my main questioning right now. If you are willing to answer a single topic in this post, please answer this one :)
From what I read online and in books, I should aim to fully replace the air in my tent every 1 to 5 minutes.
For the size of tent I plan to get, that would mean a 120CFM (or 200 m3/h) extraction to replace air every minute.
I'm aware I'll have to add 25% to this if I decide to use a carbon filter (not decided yet, will be in my cave so...).
There won't be much duct, air will just be blowed out of the tent in a cave, not outside of the house.
I've read that with HPS lights, an intake is advised too, since the air needs replacement not only for CO2, but to keep the place cool too, so the air flow have to be efficient.
I didn't find many informations about tents with LED lights tho... I'm pretty sure it has to differ since the heat output is far from the same (500 BTU for my light).
So, here's the question : do you think I'll need an intake with the tent and light I'm planning to get ? I think a passive intake with a 100-150 CFM extraction would be enough ?
If a passive intake is enough, one more question : would you use a filter of some kind on the passive intake, to avoid contamination with god knows what ?

About the gear, it seems there is 2 different kind of ventilation :
- Duct ventilation (cheaper), like this : Extracteur Aérateur de gaine VKOk Turbo - 150 mm 358 mc/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
- Or "proper" extractors, like this : Extracteur Air TT 150mm 467 à 552 m3/h - Winflex ventilation - Growshops
Would a duct ventilation be enough (if the CFM is enough of course) ? Or is there any reason I can't use only one of these and should get a proper extractor ?

About internal ventilation, I'm aware this is required too, I'll get one or too fans like this : Ventilateur oscillant - Clip Fan - 18cm - 20w - 2 vitesses - Advanced Star - Growshops


POTS
About the pots, I've heard Airpots and such (pots with holes and none cylindrical shape) are a must to avoid roots to grow in circle following the edge of the pot, and to maximize roots oxygenation. So I think I'll get that kind of thing.
But I'm really hesitating on the size... Should I get 7, 10, even 20 liters pots ?
I can afford to have 20L pots, since I'm planning to pu only 4 plants. That would mean pots will take a 70 x 70 cm space in my 120 x 120 tent.
But won't 20L pots allow the plants to grow too much ? won't they become too big for the space I've got (mainly the 200cm height limit) ?


SOIL / FERTILIZER
I've heard a lot of good things about BioBizz, plus their fertilizers line is 100% natural.
So I'm thinking about getting :
- Soil : All·Mix - Biobizz
- Fertilizers : Pack Engrais Biobizz Starters Pack - Growshops


MONITORING / CONTROL
It is apparently very important to only give water at a 6.5 PH, so I'll get a PH-meter and PH modifiers :

I was wondering if getting one of these to control the soil itself would be a good idea : pH-mètre pour le sol - Triple fonction pH, Humidité et Luxmètre - Growshops
What do you think ? it can display PH and humidity in the soil. So maybe it can help with knowing when to water ?

I know some people get an EC tester too, to control the amount of nutriments in the water (I've got the datas about what EC you should aim at what stage of growth)
Since I plan to use the BioBizz fertilizers, and they have a precise dosage calandar, wouldn't it be a bit overkill to control it futher with an EC meter ?
Would you get one anyway and control water+fertilizers mix with it, just to be sure ?


ABOUT CO2
This is the one thing I didn't research much for now... I've seen that you can add CO2 to your grow space to optimize growth.
If I understood correctly, CO2 supplementation is usefull (necessary even ?) if you've got more than 1000 PAR on the plants.
Would some passive thing like this be any beneficial ? or is it completely useless ?
I'm not willing to spend money on a CO2 system, so if you tell me this kind of cheap CO2 supplementation is uselss, I'll drop this matter for now.


WELL ! Thanks for reading all this, I hope I'm not forgetting anything, any help or advices you can give me will be greatly appreciated :)
Ok you do overthink but I do exactly the same.Ok 4 x 4' tent isn't too big.Also the ambient air temp of the room it's in is important,I am finishing a grow ,same light ts2000 in a 2 x 4' tent.Gotta have a pH and tds(ppm&ec)meter,pH trouble some new growers,pH up&down.As far as medium,I use Fox Farms Ocean Forest with perlite & vermiculite in it 1 tablespoon Epsom salt per 7 gallon container,which is the size container,fabric pots are better but increase watering,I used the FF dirty dozen my 1st grow with success,cal-mag in flower.As far as air flow,with a 7' tall tent you have 112 cubic feet 4x4x7=112 so 150+ and your good,oh get a fan speed controller,they are cheap,and your gonna need a carbon filter during flower if you don't wanna smell it up.Keep ppm of soil in mind,mine is 550ppm out of the bag,hot for seedlings,start seeds in a propagator too,I pop 95% with mine,UV during flower too,co2 can be the bag type in a tent,or this part gets pricey,I use just a few weeks.If your going for weight scrog,but definitely fim or tie the top more than 50% down and tie to rim of container,whatever that's called.I veg with my ts1000&70 watt mh,plants get huge stalks with mh but even that small put off lots of heat ,my tent ran 8 degrees hotter with that,idk why.Good luck
 
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