Horselover fat
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Cool. Prior to this post I didn't even know you existed, so this is kind of sudden, but goodbye anyway.
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Fogdog
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Why is it that Trumptards talk about themselves so much? Trump does but he's your leader so, he can and his tards gobble it up. But he doesn't give a thought or a care for his followers. You are insignificant to him and us. So, are you just compensating?
Horselover fat
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What on earth are you on about? Geographically I live in north eastern europe and on a political compass you would find me pretty far south west.
CatHedral
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What does the south signify on a political compass? I imagine west means to the left.
Also curious about “northeastern Europe” since that could be Stockholm, but it also could be Vorkuta. In what language region are you?
Sir Napsalot
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"What on earth are you on about" sounds like a Brit
Fogdog
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You are right, I jumped to a conclusion.
Horselover fat
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Fogdog
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I figured that's what you meant. Unfortunately, the word "Libertarian" means different things depending on where you live. Europe has the more literal meaning -- liberty. The US conservative movement has turned it to mean a strange economic theory that doesn't have anything to do with freedom, just some strange "free markets solve all problems" kind of corporate bullshit.I'm a finn.
CatHedral
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I’ll have to look up libertarian left. As Fogdog explained, the US version is essentially hard right with a sexy name.I'm a finn.
PJ Diaz
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It definitely sounds like a tricky quadrant to navigate successfully. I consider myself "on the left", but understand how libertarians feel. The only reason I can't really get on board as calling myself a libertarian is that I believe in social programs and assistance.
printer
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Asked you a few questions which you ignored.
Hey, what happened? You were on ignore. Well let us try it again.
printer
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PJ, a touch of sanity after a clown or two we have had to suffer.
Fogdog
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Depends on which kind of Libertarian you are. I think you might fit the French version better than the cooked up and bastardized version Republicans invented.
From Wikipedia:
Libertarianism (from French: libertaire, "libertarian"; from Latin: libertas, "freedom") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association.[2] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some libertarians diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions. Different categorizations have been used to distinguish various forms of libertarianism.[3][4] Scholars distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines.[5]
Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[14] Left-libertarian[20] ideologies include anarchist schools of thought, alongside many other anti-paternalist and New Left schools of thought centered around economic egalitarianism as well as geolibertarianism, green politics, market-oriented left-libertarianism and the Steiner–Vallentyne school.[24]
In the mid-20th century, right libertarian proponents of anarcho-capitalism and minarchism co-opted[ the term libertarian to advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources. The latter is the dominant form of libertarianism in the United States, where it advocates civil liberties, natural law, free-market capitalism and a major reversal of the modern welfare state.
@Rob Roy chose to suck right wing cock. But that is not my concern.
Rob Roy
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Nope.
Philosphically, I am a Voluntarist, sometimes spelled Voluntaryist. Also, cock sucking is not for me, but it's okay if you do, that's your business. Just don't suck any cock where the cock owner would rather you don't. That's all I ask, don't be rapey.
If an anarcho communist community wants to dwell on a piece of land and every person there is into whatever prevailing philosophy they decide on, that's none of my business. Not for me, but none of my business. It's basically communism / collectivism and is anti individual liberty regarding how decisions are made. The collective in that sense becomes the dictator, at the top of the hierarchy. The ruler. Anarchists don't have a default ruler though. Anarcho Communists are just Communists, adding the Anarcho term to Communism, is cute, but pointless and contradictory.
I am an individual and do not default to a collective. The one thing that I need to do (should do) in order to be left alone, is to leave others alone. That makes me peaceful and is the core of a Voluntaryist philosophy. When Communists communities, or any other type of collective or state subsume others in defiance of individual consent, they cease being peaceful. They also cease to be Anarchists, since a forcible hierarchy is not compatible with Anarchy.
I hope that clears up any misconceptions you have. I know you hate it when I point out your foolishness, but I'm afraid I'm still winning.
CunningCanuk
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Rob Roy
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Your allegation is fallacious and self contradicting upon even a cursory examination. Maybe your 4th booster shot has eaten what's left of your brain?
A Voluntaryist doesn't dictate how others must live, as long as others don't dictate how they must live. That's not "me me me me" , that's respecting others. Mutual respect is not, "me me me me" .
On the other hand, a forcible collective, doesn't respect how other people might want to live. People who don't respect how others want to live are the selfish ones.
Rob Roy
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Please consider the means used as being an important part of the process. Sort of like the whole love making is about consent and rape is about removal of consent thing. One is peaceful the other is a vicious crime.
Social programs and assistance are great when administered voluntarily. Forcible redistribution of property that isn't yours is theft. Even when people who claim to be more equal than you do it.
In some places, people are forcibly prevented from doing charitable acts. Meaning government thugs threaten to attack when they fear being replaced. Careful which side of "charity" you gravitate to.
zzyx
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You mean like the redistribution of land we stole from the Native Americans? Yes, theft! Now you wanna claim ownership of stolen property?
Merican’s can be such arrogant pricks!
CunningCanuk
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Dumb.
When a public health emergency involving a highly infectious and deadly disease is involved, individualism is selfish.
Sure, you can deny the significance of the disease in the face of science but that doesn’t change that fact. It only gives selfish assholes a false sense of validation for their selfish behaviour. A phenomenon you demonstrate on a regular basis.
Paul Drake
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Why are Belarusians called migrants. As a matter of fact, why aren’t the people at the Mexican border called migrants? Why immigrants?
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