Veterans...Get the hell in here now!

doublejj

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A typical operation started with a formation of the Army troops on the pontoon tied to one of the ships that were the base to the MRF. There were two companies on each ship. We were checked by our squad leaders to make sure we had everything we were assigned and we were issued whatever equipment was specific to the operation. Weapons were given extra attention to make sure that they were ready for the task at hand. We weren't always told where we were going or anything else about the operation. It was just "going out." The information did get to us through the grapevine eventually. Some places were worse than others. I hated the area just northeast of Ben Tre. Quite often, the area of operation was all that was known and the details were worked out as the mission progressed.
The Riverine craft were normally tied up 4 or 5 deep to the side of the pontoon. To load the Tangos directly from the pontoon, all the boats were cleared away. Three boats could be loaded at a time. With all the stuff we carried, if you fell overboard you'd go down like a rock. So there were people stationed on the pontoon to hang onto us and pass us off to someone on the boat. Entering the well deck via the space between the closed ramp and the front of the roof structure, 35 - 40 fully load troops could be loaded in about 5 minutes. An infantry company could fit in four Tangos. As the loaded boats left the pontoon, they would form up with the rest of the boats into a single line that was typical for riverine operations.
The journey from the big river, would lead us to progressively smaller waterways where the alertness level increased according to the width of the passage. The Navy manned their guns and we kept our heads down. If anything did happen, there were three ways of dealing with it; (1)Shoot back and keep going, (2)Shoot back until the incoming fire stopped, or (3)Shoot back and unload the troops to go after them. More often than not it would be choice #3. Some operations were planned expressly for choice #3. We would slowly cruise the backwaters shooting at bunkers and stuff along the banks and when they shot back, we got out and chased them.
In an ambush the VC/NVA would fire from as close as 20 ft. if the waterway was narrow. It's hard to miss with an RPG at that range. They would shoot one shot and then run like hell! The first shot of an ambush usually hits what it's aimed at. We would shoot back, and call in ARTY and air strikes or maybe even get out and chase them, but a one-shot ambush would rarely yield an enemy body count. Done as a target of opportunity, as harrassment, as a delaying tactic, or just for fun, it kept our heads down and the pucker factor up.
When we stepped off a Tango's ramp we could be stepping into waist deep mud and thick vegetation or onto dry land. Or we might step right into the middle of a fire fight. When the ramp dropped it left the well deck without frontal armor. Sometimes the VC/NVA took advantage of that time when we were most vulnerable, bunched together in a confined area, by waiting to fire a B-40 rocket or small arms fire into the open bow. There was nowhere to hide if that happened. Small arms fire would bounce off the bulkheads inside untill it hit someone. A B-40 rocket only took a second to fire and its results were devastating. The Navy would prep the landing point with MG and canon fire if there was a threat. But it still happened often enough to make that moment when the ramp started to fall increase the pucker factor by 6 untill it was down, and we were out!
The battalion commander observed the operations from a helicopter. He and his radio operator flew in a LOH overhead directing traffic. If contact was made he could direct our movement, arrange fire support, and coordinate operations with the Navy. When the situation allowed, they would set down at the closest fire support barge or on a Tango boat with a flight deck near the CCB, and follow the operation by radio. If anything happened they could be airborne in minutes.
If the operation was based on good intelligence and we knew what we were looking for, we would be dropped off and the boats would move to a spot where they could provide the best fire support for us, or to our pick-up point. If the mission was expected to last a few days and we were within the range of our own fire support, the boats would go back to the big river and hold position, or go back to base. Sometimes one group of boats would drop us off and then head back to base while another group of boats would form a blocking force, and wait for us to drive the VC/NVA to them. Sometimes we would be dropped into an area by chopper, and then be picked up by boat. No two operations were the same but it was a rare occasion to be without the Navy.
I spent 13 months in the Army in the Mekong delta of Vietnam. We fought the war differently than the guys up north did. When I think back on the war, I always think about the boats.

 

BarnBuster

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Today in Military History

"The battle over Ploesti's skies on August 1, 1943, lasted 27 minutes from the time the first bomb was dropped until the last one fell and the surviving planes turned south to head home. Of the 177 Liberators assigned to the mission, 54 had been lost by day's end. Only 93 returned to base, and 60 of those were so badly damaged they never flew again. Of the others, 19 landed at Allied airfields such as Cyprus, 7 in Turkey, and 3, including Hadley's Harem, crashed into the sea. The remainder crashed in and around Ploesti.

One of the bombardment group commanders described the mission as the "worst catastrophe in the history of the Army Air Corps." A 1999 research report prepared for the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama concluded that the mission to Ploesti was "one of the bloodiest and most heroic missions of all time." One of the crewmen who was shot down referred to it as "the greatest ground-air battle ever fought."

The casualties were staggering. Of the 1,726 airmen on the mission, 532 were killed, captured, interned, or listed as missing in action. In addition, 440 of those who returned to Benghazi were wounded, some so severely they never returned to active service.

Five Medals of Honor were awarded to the Ploesti airmen, more than for any other mission; three of the medals were given posthumously.

All told, 56 men were awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, dozens the Silver Star, and hundreds the Distinguished Flying Cross for their actions. It was the most decorated single air mission of World War II. More decorations and awards for bravery under fire were bestowed on the men who attacked Ploesti than for any other mission in the history of American aerial combat."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tidal_Wave
http://theirfinesthour.blogspot.com/2013/08/tidal-wave-raid-on-ploesti.html
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/cutting-off-the-nazi-oil-production-x.html
https://media.defense.gov/2016/May/18/2001540805/-1/-1/0/AFD-160518-001-011.PDF
 
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BarnBuster

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By KIM GAMEL | STARS AND STRIPES Published: July 31, 2018

"SEOUL, South Korea — Remains handed over by North Korea last week are human and likely American, according to an official with the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency. Dr. John Byrd, director of scientific analysis for DPAA, told reporters Wednesday at Osan that the agency has completed a two-day field forensic review and determined that the remains are human and “are likely to be American remains.” He also confirmed a single military dog tag was provided with the remains and that the family of that soldier has been notified. “Keep in mind that it’s not necessarily the case that” the person identified in the dog tag will be among the remains but they’re hopeful, he said. Byrd said they believe they’re American because “there was a lot of military hardware, helmets, canteens ... the same kinds of things that we find when we excavate” such sites in South and North Korea"
 

BarnBuster

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U.S. service members march in formation during an honorable carry ceremony at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam (JBPH-H), Hawaii, Aug. 1, 2018. Carry teams will move 55 flag-draped transfer cases, containing what are believed to be the remains of American personnel lost in the Korean War, to the DPAA laboratory at JBPH-H for identification. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Mikaley Kline)

Military.com 2 Aug 2018 By Richard Sisk


"The remains returned by North Korea are possibly those of Army troops who fell in the brutal 1950 battle at the Chosin Reservoir, Pentagon POW/MIA officials said Thursday. The returned remains are associated with the fight at what was called the "Frozen Chosin" for the sub-zero temperatures in which Marine and Army units fought their way out of encirclement by Chinese forces and were evacuated by sea, said Dr. John Byrd, a forensic anthropologist. Byrd, who went to Wonsan in North Korea last week as part of the team that brought back the remains, said he was told by North Korean officials that the remains were recovered from the village of Sin Hung-ri on the east side of the reservoir. Marines fought on the west side of the reservoir, "and the east side -- that's where the Army was," said Byrd, laboratory director of the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA)."
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U.S. Army units: Battle of Chosin Reservoir

3rd Infantry Division - MG Robert Soule
7th Infantry Regiment - COL John S. Guthrie
15th Infantry Regiment - COL Dennis M. Moore
65th Infantry Regiment - COL William W. Harris


7th Infantry Division - MG David Goodwin Barr
17th Infantry Regiment - COL Herbert B. Powell
31st Infantry Regiment - COL Allan D. MacLean
32nd Infantry Regiment - COL Charles M. Mount, Jr.

Army Honors
Lt. Col. Don C. Faith, Jr., was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

The following soldiers were awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, for actions East of the Reservoir:

Allan D. MacLean Colonel, Commander RCT-31, posthumously awarded.
George R. Cody Captain, HMC 31 Inf., posthumously awarded.
James H. Godfrey Corporal, D/32 Inf.
Harold B. Haugland Sergeant, D/15 AAA Bn. Haugland is listed as missing in action.
Charles Garrigus Sergeant, 1/32 Inf., posthumously awarded.
Robert E. Jones Major, S-3 of 1/32 Inf.
John E. Gray Lieutenant, M/31 Inf.
Earle Jordan Captain, M/31 Inf.
Robert G. Schmitt Lieutenant, M/31 Inf.
Stanford O. Corners Sergeant, Med/A/57 FAB

https://armyhistory.org/nightmare-at-the-chosin-reservoir/
http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topics/chosin/
http://www.koreanwar2.org/kwp2/usmckorea/PDF_Monographs/KoreanWar.FrozenChosin.pdf
 
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BarnBuster

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"The Coast Guard is one of America's five armed forces and traces its founding to Aug. 4, 1790, when the first Congress authorized the construction of 10 vessels to enforce tariff and trade laws, prevent smuggling, and protect the collection of federal revenue. Responsibilities added over the years included humanitarian duties such as aiding mariners in distress.

The service received its present name in 1915 when the Revenue Cutter Service merged with the U.S. Life-Saving Service to form a single maritime service dedicated to the safety of life at sea and enforcing the nation's maritime laws.

The Coast Guard is a multi-mission, maritime, military service and the smallest of the five Armed Services. Its mission is to protect the public, the environment and U.S. economic interests in the nation's waterways, along the coast, on international waters, or in any maritime region as required to support national security."
 

doublejj

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Hell of a Birthday present...
Coast Guard icebreaker funding reallocated to US-Mexico border wall

The new icebreaker had been intended to boost the Coast Guard’s fleet, which includes one working heavy icebreaker, the Polar Star, and one disabled heavy icebreaker, each of which have exceeded their 30-year service lives. The fleet also operates a medium icebreaker and a research vessel with light ice-breaking capability.
The U.S. icebreaker fleet is miniscule in comparison to Russia, which has more than 40 icebreakers, according to the Congressional Research Service. The melting ice has degraded Russia’s natural border defenses, prompting Moscow to respond with more ships and new military facilities in the region.

https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-guard-icebreaker-funding-reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857
P.S. Happy Birthday Coast Guard
 

ttystikk

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Hell of a Birthday present...
Coast Guard icebreaker funding reallocated to US-Mexico border wall

The new icebreaker had been intended to boost the Coast Guard’s fleet, which includes one working heavy icebreaker, the Polar Star, and one disabled heavy icebreaker, each of which have exceeded their 30-year service lives. The fleet also operates a medium icebreaker and a research vessel with light ice-breaking capability.
The U.S. icebreaker fleet is miniscule in comparison to Russia, which has more than 40 icebreakers, according to the Congressional Research Service. The melting ice has degraded Russia’s natural border defenses, prompting Moscow to respond with more ships and new military facilities in the region.

https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-guard-icebreaker-funding-reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857
P.S. Happy Birthday Coast Guard
Why does America need anywhere near as many icebreakers as Russia?

That said, allocating funds to a wall that sends such an awful message about who we are is heinous enough, even without diverting them from badly needed replacement Coat Guard ships.
 

too larry

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Why does America need anywhere near as many icebreakers as Russia?

That said, allocating funds to a wall that sends such an awful message about who we are is heinous enough, even without diverting them from badly needed replacement Coat Guard ships.
As the ice melts, there is going to be much more shipping. Folks are going to push the limits, and ships will get stuck in the ice. The more that melts, the more ice breakers we will need. Those waters are going to see lots of shipping in the next 25 years.
 

ttystikk

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As the ice melts, there is going to be much more shipping. Folks are going to push the limits, and ships will get stuck in the ice. The more that melts, the more ice breakers we will need. Those waters are going to see lots of shipping in the next 25 years.
They aren't American waters for most of the trip and they aren't American ships. For some reason these facts have been lost in the discussion.

I agree that we need more than a couple of dilapidated old ships- but the notion that we need parity with Russia strains credulity.

Just for starters, why would we need so many?
 

doublejj

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They aren't American waters for most of the trip and they aren't American ships. For some reason these facts have been lost in the discussion.

I agree that we need more than a couple of dilapidated old ships- but the notion that we need parity with Russia strains credulity.

Just for starters, why would we need so many?
To stay operationally ready, we have the largest navy in the world it would be nice to be able to sail into frozen waters. american needs maritime shipping.
 

ttystikk

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To stay operationally ready, we have the largest navy in the world it would be nice to be able to sail into frozen waters. american needs maritime shipping.
So we need icebreakers for Navy ships?

They're sitting ducks behind a breaker; they can't maneuver.

There's nothing a Navy vessel can do that can't already be done with other assets, like aircraft, already stationed in the area.

It's not the straits of Hormuz; it's Canada, not a hostile power.
 
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