Mr Neutron
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I don't know how the double post happened, just call me a post whore!
Vote for Ron Paul-----Great idea
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UncleBuck
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they mean different things, ya know.
a liberal would be the first to defend your right to do so.
perhaps if you weren't so busy confusing liberals with socialists and progressives, you might realize this.
i'll have to ask her.
personally, i don't fly if there are roads connecting the two destinations.
hell, i drove from portland to denver this thanksgiving on roads that were sheets of ice most of the way. scary shit, i tell ya.
ah, irony.
as if the "pro life" crowd didn't play the same game.
come on up to oregon and i'll give you a free doobie.
UncleBuck
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beardo
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Romney is wack...he's mormon and doesn't even have multiple wives, now that's lame.
Ask Carne Seca
Mr Neutron
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Uncle Buck, I just want to clear up a couple of things.
First, on Romney. You say you would vote for him even though you admit that he flip-flops on the issues, correct? But you won't vote for a Ron Paul because you say he wants to control women's bodies and he is not a real Libertarian, am I correct?
Second, your wife's body. You stated "i was speaking of someone like my wife, who uses birth control and is an adult, being allowed to make a decision concerning something that can possibly kill her in any of the 50 states." I am confused as to how using or not using birth control could kill her. Also, I am confused as to how birth control relates to abortion. Unless you see abortion as a form of birth control. In that case I believe that is murder. If you don't believe me just look at the cases where someone deliberately or otherwise causes the death of a pregnant woman (and the fetus) and is charged as a double homicide or manslaughter. You can't have it both ways, it either is or it isn't.
First, on Romney. You say you would vote for him even though you admit that he flip-flops on the issues, correct? But you won't vote for a Ron Paul because you say he wants to control women's bodies and he is not a real Libertarian, am I correct?
Second, your wife's body. You stated "i was speaking of someone like my wife, who uses birth control and is an adult, being allowed to make a decision concerning something that can possibly kill her in any of the 50 states." I am confused as to how using or not using birth control could kill her. Also, I am confused as to how birth control relates to abortion. Unless you see abortion as a form of birth control. In that case I believe that is murder. If you don't believe me just look at the cases where someone deliberately or otherwise causes the death of a pregnant woman (and the fetus) and is charged as a double homicide or manslaughter. You can't have it both ways, it either is or it isn't.
UncleBuck
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i kinda like that romney professes the 'don't force your beliefs on others' train of thought.
i'm not so crazy about ALL of his policy positions, but at least they are mostly moderate. especially compared to the rest of the bunch.
UncleBuck
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i won't vote for ron paul for a number of reasons: the whole abortion stance, his stance on civil rights, and a few other issues.
i would *consider* voting for romney because he is more moderate than the rest of the pack.
the reason birth control came up is because i was addressing another poster who despises the use of abortion as birth control. sane enough, i think most people do.
my point was that birth control is not 100%. my wife takes it, but it is no guarantee that one of my fishies won't find her egg.
i never said birth control could kill her, i said any pregnancy whatsoever can endanger the life of the mother, and at times with no forewarning.
i do not believe in granting a fetus the same rights as a citizen, so i would be against a double homicide charge. although i would not be opposed to stricter penalties for homicide against a pregnant woman being the bleeding heart liberal i am.
like i have said, if we want to give fetuses the same rights as citizens, it would entail doing some very radical things to protect them, like compulsory pregnancy tests.
hope that clears it up.
Mr Neutron
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I never said they were the same, I just wanted to cover all the bases.
Mr Neutron
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blame it on that shitty mexico internet.
No argument there, you wouldn't believe how long it takes to read and reply to these forums.
Charlie Ventura
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I love Ron Paul and his son Rand. They speak the message of liberty. With that said, I'm not going to fool myself into believing that Ron Paul has a chance in Hell of gaining the presidency. Here's why: He is not the choice of the establishment. The establishment's choice will be Obama on the Dem side. If Obama is unelectable because the economy is still tanking, then Hillary will be the establishment's choice on the Dem side. On the Republican side, Romney will be the establishment's choice. All other Republican candidates will be ridiculed, marginalized and attacked by the establishment. We will be watching Saul Alinski's "Rules for Radicals" unfolding again, just as it did against Sarah Palin during the last election ... and ever since. Any candidate that is not "main stream" will face the onslaught of the Main Stream Media. They will be the butt of every joke on late-night TV. So, we will be left with the choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, all spouting the establishment mantra, ala Obama/McCain in the last election when neither candidate is a devotee of liberty, nor an advocate of upholding the Constitution.
Let's face it, the average American has been totally dumbed down and doesn't have a clue other than what they see on the evening news, Saturday Night Live or Bill Mahar ... all establishment outlets. Just take a look at what they have done to Sarah Palin and Ron Paul in the past and currently doing to Michelle Bachmann and other strict constitutionalist like them.
Let's face it, the average American has been totally dumbed down and doesn't have a clue other than what they see on the evening news, Saturday Night Live or Bill Mahar ... all establishment outlets. Just take a look at what they have done to Sarah Palin and Ron Paul in the past and currently doing to Michelle Bachmann and other strict constitutionalist like them.
beardo
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I would be so happy if Obama and Hillary started fighting over who's going to be president and see Palin be dumb and Romney look like he's in the twilight zone and the vote gets split and we end up with President Paul
Charlie Ventura
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I'm with you beardo. I'd be happy with any of these: Paul, Palin, Bachmann, Chris Christy, Paul Ryan or Col. West, just to name a few. And to be clear, not because they are Republicans, but because they are Constitutional Conservatives.
beardo
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Paul, Ventura, Duke.
GottaHaveIt
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The following are 27 depressing statistics about the U.S. economy that are almost too crazy to believe....
#1 The Obama administration projects that the federal budget deficit will be approximately $1,600,000,000,000 this year. Right now the Republicans and the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail over budget cuts. The Republicans are proposing to cut the budget deficit by 3.8%. The Democrats only want to cut it by 2.1%.
#2 The U.S. economy actually grew more between 1930 and 1940 than it did during the decade that recently ended.
#3 Over the last decade, the number of Americans without health insurance has risen from about 38 million to about 52 million.
#4 Agricultural commodities are absolutely soaring. The price of corn has more than doubled over the last 12 months. Considering the fact that corn is in literally thousands of our food products, that is a very frightening statistic.
#5 Between 1999 and 2009, real median household income in the United States declined by 5.0%.
#6 It is being estimated that total U.S. government debt will grow by 42 percent by the year 2015.
#7 According to the Pentagon, the cost of the first week of attacks on Libya was 600 million dollars.
#8 The average American now spends approximately 23 percent of his or her income on food and gas.
#9 According to the U.S. Energy Department, the average U.S. household will spend approximately $700 more on gasoline in 2011 than it did during 2010.
#10 It is being projected that for the first time ever, the OPEC nations are going to bring in over a trillion dollars from exporting oil this year. Their biggest customer is the United States.
#11 According to the Economic Policy Institute, almost 25 percent of U.S. households now have zero net worth or negative net worth. Back in 2007, that number was just 18.6 percent.
#12 China produced 19.8 percent of all the goods consumed in the world last year. The United States only produced 19.4 percent.
#13 The United States has lost an average of 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.
#14 The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.
#15 U.S. home values have fallen an astounding 6.3 trillion dollars since the peak of the real estate market in 2005.
#16 According to RealtyTrac, one out of every 45 U.S. households was hit with a foreclosure filing in 2010.
#17 The number of homes that were actually repossessed reached the 1 million mark for the first time ever during 2010.
#18 New home sales in the United States set a brand new all-time record low in the month of February.
#19 Now home sales in the United States are now down 80% from the peak in July 2005.
#20 The financial condition of American families continues to deteriorate rapidly. In 2010, one out of every eight American families had at least one family member that was unemployed. That number was the highest it has been since the U.S. Labor Department began keeping track of that statistic back in 1994.
#21 There are now more than 6 million Americans that the government says have given up looking for work completely.
#22 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average length of unemployment in the U.S. is now an all-time record 39 weeks.
#23 Americans now owe more than $900 billion on student loans, which is also an all-time record high.
#24 Average household debt in the United States has now reached a level of 136% of average household income.
#25 According to the Federal Reserve, between 2007 and 2009 median household net worth in the United States fell by 23 percent.
#26 The Federal Reserve also says that median household debt in the United States has risen to $75,600.
#27 According to a recent article posted on the website of the American Institute of Economic Research, the purchasing power of a U.S. dollar declined from $1.00 in 1913 to 4.6 cents in 2009. Sadly, the Federal Reserve is working very hard to get rid of the little bit of purchasing power that the U.S. dollar has left.
#1 The Obama administration projects that the federal budget deficit will be approximately $1,600,000,000,000 this year. Right now the Republicans and the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail over budget cuts. The Republicans are proposing to cut the budget deficit by 3.8%. The Democrats only want to cut it by 2.1%.
#2 The U.S. economy actually grew more between 1930 and 1940 than it did during the decade that recently ended.
#3 Over the last decade, the number of Americans without health insurance has risen from about 38 million to about 52 million.
#4 Agricultural commodities are absolutely soaring. The price of corn has more than doubled over the last 12 months. Considering the fact that corn is in literally thousands of our food products, that is a very frightening statistic.
#5 Between 1999 and 2009, real median household income in the United States declined by 5.0%.
#6 It is being estimated that total U.S. government debt will grow by 42 percent by the year 2015.
#7 According to the Pentagon, the cost of the first week of attacks on Libya was 600 million dollars.
#8 The average American now spends approximately 23 percent of his or her income on food and gas.
#9 According to the U.S. Energy Department, the average U.S. household will spend approximately $700 more on gasoline in 2011 than it did during 2010.
#10 It is being projected that for the first time ever, the OPEC nations are going to bring in over a trillion dollars from exporting oil this year. Their biggest customer is the United States.
#11 According to the Economic Policy Institute, almost 25 percent of U.S. households now have zero net worth or negative net worth. Back in 2007, that number was just 18.6 percent.
#12 China produced 19.8 percent of all the goods consumed in the world last year. The United States only produced 19.4 percent.
#13 The United States has lost an average of 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.
#14 The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.
#15 U.S. home values have fallen an astounding 6.3 trillion dollars since the peak of the real estate market in 2005.
#16 According to RealtyTrac, one out of every 45 U.S. households was hit with a foreclosure filing in 2010.
#17 The number of homes that were actually repossessed reached the 1 million mark for the first time ever during 2010.
#18 New home sales in the United States set a brand new all-time record low in the month of February.
#19 Now home sales in the United States are now down 80% from the peak in July 2005.
#20 The financial condition of American families continues to deteriorate rapidly. In 2010, one out of every eight American families had at least one family member that was unemployed. That number was the highest it has been since the U.S. Labor Department began keeping track of that statistic back in 1994.
#21 There are now more than 6 million Americans that the government says have given up looking for work completely.
#22 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average length of unemployment in the U.S. is now an all-time record 39 weeks.
#23 Americans now owe more than $900 billion on student loans, which is also an all-time record high.
#24 Average household debt in the United States has now reached a level of 136% of average household income.
#25 According to the Federal Reserve, between 2007 and 2009 median household net worth in the United States fell by 23 percent.
#26 The Federal Reserve also says that median household debt in the United States has risen to $75,600.
#27 According to a recent article posted on the website of the American Institute of Economic Research, the purchasing power of a U.S. dollar declined from $1.00 in 1913 to 4.6 cents in 2009. Sadly, the Federal Reserve is working very hard to get rid of the little bit of purchasing power that the U.S. dollar has left.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
all the proof you need that the bush tax cuts worked spectacularly!
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
well, if they didn't give us such grand material to work with, we wouldn't ridicule them so much.
palin and bachmann bring it on themselves by saying the dumbest shit imaginable.
and paul is just nuttier than a squirrel turd.
zazahzle
Active Member
Check out Dr. Paul putting it down in this new clip.. He calls bullshit on both parties.. I hope he runs in 2012!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMyedqmKvs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMyedqmKvs
Fixed it for ya.
[video=youtube;XeMyedqmKvs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMyedqmKvs[/video]
