Vote NO !! and here is why!!

Scuba

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i think this is the reason people are countering the 1 ounce claim.

as fa as i read that, it means that so long as it is in your house, you can have as much as can fit inside your 5x5 area
no, it means that you can grow any amount INSIDE your 5x5 but But you can only have one ounce on your person which is in your car/house/bag/ etc. for medical reasons, any more then that is excessive any you have to prove that your 2 lbs is ONLY for MEDICAL use. which would be hard to prove without a DR saying that you need pounds and pounds of weed for your pain.
 

tip top toker

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that means wet and/or drying plants. once it's dry it becomes part of the one ounce limit. what they are addressing here is garden weight. they don't want cops counting your leaves and stems as weight. it does NOT mean as many pounds as you can pack into your closet. :roll:
so there then needs to be an official scale of what is defined as a dry plant, and what is defined as wet or still drying surely? In the bill it states that cannabis plant referes to a living plant. When does a chopped bud become "dead" for it to become classified as cannabis and not a plant? Reason i ask is i'd have thought the trial would need a scale for what constitutes drying etc, in the same way they use grams and ounces to classify legal and illegal weight?

Do current medical users have to justify how much they smoke, or just that they need a card?

Oh, and Fdd, you're kinda pulling things outta the future as well with your opinions on how cops and judges will side ;)
 

Scuba

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that means wet and/or drying plants. once it's dry it becomes part of the one ounce limit. what they are addressing here is garden weight. they don't want cops counting your leaves and stems as weight. it does NOT mean as many pounds as you can pack into your closet. :roll:

it will be cops and judges who are interpreting these restrictions. good luck getting them to see it YOUR way. ;)
exactly mate, it's these loop holes in the legal jargon that will enable the government to Wal-Mart this shit into the ground. Under cutting home growers to "WEED" us out.
 

Scuba

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Do current medical users have to justify how much they smoke, or just that they need a card?
You just hit the nail on the freakin head man. That to me is an invasion of privacy by the state. Their are more dangerous pharmaceutical drugs out now that kill and injury today's youth more then Marijuana ever will. And yet they don't have such strict laws for Oxycontin or Vicodin, which i could walk on to my old school and ask around, i bet i could find more kids selling those then weed. Because they are CHEAP
 

Moldy

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This pretty much sums it up. Vote no and you're a fool.
By: Russ Belville


Proposition 19: The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

Title and Summary:
Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.
Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old. Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local governments: Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major tax, fee, and benefit assessment revenues to state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.
If you’re over 21, your personal pot use and cultivation are legal. Some places may even let you buy and sell it. You still can’t smoke it at school, in public, and with kids. Don’t drive stoned. We might even save and raise some money while we’re at it.
Section 1: Name
This Act shall be known as the “Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.”
Or, simply, “Prop 19″.
Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes
This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, makes the following Findings and Statement of Intent and Purpose:
A. Findings
1. California’s laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed and need to be reformed. Despite spending decades arresting millions of non-violent cannabis consumers, we have failed to control cannabis or reduce its availability.
2. According to surveys, roughly 100 million Americans (around 1/3 of the country’s population) acknowledge that they have used cannabis, 15 million of those Americans having consumed cannabis in the last month. Cannabis consumption is simply a fact of life for a large percentage of Americans.
3. Despite having some of the strictest cannabis laws in the world, the United States has the largest number of cannabis consumers. The percentage of our citizens who consume cannabis is double that of the percentage of people who consume cannabis in the Netherlands, a country where the selling and adult possession of cannabis is allowed.
4. According to The National Research Council’s recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption.
5. Cannabis has fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent.
6. There is an estimated $15 billion in illegal cannabis transactions in California each year. Taxing and regulating cannabis, like we do with alcohol and cigarettes, will generate billions of dollars in annual revenues for California to fund what matters most to Californians: jobs, health care, schools and libraries, roads, and more.
7. California wastes millions of dollars a year targeting, arresting, trying, convicting, and imprisoning non-violent citizens for cannabis related offenses. This money would be better used to combat violent crimes and gangs.
8. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, regulated sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business.
Prohibition’s bad, mmmkay? It doesn’t work, wastes money, and creates crime. This Act will be a first step in ending that.
B. Purposes
1. Reform California’s cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state.
2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consume small amounts of cannabis.
3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis.
4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.
News flash: most people, especially non-cannabis consumers, think it is a bad idea for kids to use cannabis.
5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.
6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.
One blogger suggested that this point #6 would be enough for the courts to assume that the people meant Prop 19 to supersede patients’ medical rights under Prop 215, also known as California Health & Safety Code #11362.5. Somehow, #6 means that Prop 215 patients would suddenly be limited to 5′x5′ gardens and an ounce of medicine. Which seems odd to me, when you read further in #7 below…
7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
…where they are saying that if your city doesn’t allow cannabis sales, you can still possess your one ounce, except if you’re permitted more than that under Prop 215 (11362.5). How could any court think that #6 means all of Prop 19 supersedes Prop 215 when a nullified Prop 215 means #7 is granting an exception that wouldn’t exist if it were superseded?
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
If a city does allow cannabis sales it can regulate how much you buy and sell, except if you’re permitted more than that under Prop 215 (11362.5)… you know, the part that #6 supposedly supersedes.
9. Tax and regulate cannabis to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments to fund what matters most: jobs, healthcare, schools and libraries, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
Well, that’s a lovely premise, but nothing controls how these governments would spend the money. But since were talking about local governments, not the state, there will be more local control and pressure over how local marijuana money is spent.
10. Stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, freeing up police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up, and for other essential state needs that lack funding.
Well, people consuming less than an ounce are only getting tickets, not arrests, but still there are arrests for possessing more than an ounce at home and for growing any amount at home.
11. Allow the Legislature to adopt a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry.
Someday the state might decide to let cannabis be sold statewide… probably after the feds end their cannabis prohibition. This is important: this line doesn’t force California to violate federal law, but it sets the stage for statewide regulation once it doesn’t violate federal law.
12. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial, and research purposes.
That might be difficult, as California’s universities and teaching hospitals – the places where you might scientifically study cannabis – often have federal ties that prevent them from engaging in cannabis research. But it will be no more difficult than it is now.
13. Permit California to fulfill the state’s obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the State.
This is kind of a 10th Amendment issue, after all, except for the Supreme Court’s view that the Commerce Clause of the Constitution empowers the Congress to make laws prohibiting citizens of California from consuming a house plant for personal purposes in private.
14. Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.
This is the best part of Prop 19 – the marijuana plant is declared legal in some situations!
C. Intent
1. This Act is intended to limit the application and enforcement of state and local laws relating to possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption and sale of cannabis, including but not limited to the following, whether now existing or adopted in the future: Health and Safety Code sections 11014.5 and 11364.5 [relating to drug paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11366 [relating to maintenance of places]; 11366.5 [relating to use of property]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture]; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances]; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance]; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession].
This Act will legalize cannabis possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption, and sale of cannabis to some extent…
2. This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein]; 11379.6 [relating to chemical production]; 11532 [relating to loitering to commit a crime or acts not authorized by law]; Vehicle Code section 23152 [relating to driving while under the influence]; Penal Code section 272 [relating to contributing to the delinquency of a minor]; nor any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.
…except where it concerns kids, schools, and driving or working high.
Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
If you’re 21 or older, you can have an ounce of weed on you, out in public, and share it with your 21 and older friends.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
You can grow a 25 sq ft marijuana garden in your home or on your land. You might have to get your landlord’s permission if you’re renting.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
Whatever you harvest at home in your 25 sq ft garden, you can keep at home. Not just one ounce, the whole harvest. No time limit. If you harvest a pound every three months and have a stash of twelve pounds after four years, and you’re not selling, that pot is all yours and perfectly legit.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.
Your bongs are now legal, too.
(b) “Personal consumption” shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
“In any form” = hash, edibles, tinctures. You’ve got to consume in a non-public place, unless your city is cool and allows public consumption in certain places. (Hello, hash bar!)
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
You can’t sell it without a license, smoke in public, smoke while driving, boating, or flying, or smoke around kids.
Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:
Local governments can regulate commercial sales. It is very important that this initiative didn’t force the State of California to regulate commercial sales, which could have hung this initiative up in court for putting California in “positive conflict” with the federal prohibition. Here, California isn’t doing anything about sales… literally. California is saying, “if Berkeley wants to allow weed selling, we won’t stop them.”
(a) cultivation, processing, distribution, the safe and secure transportation, sale and possession for sale of cannabis, but only by persons and in amounts lawfully authorized;
(b) retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale;
(c) appropriate controls on cultivation, transportation, sales, and consumption of cannabis to strictly prohibit access to cannabis by persons under the age of 21;
(d) age limits and controls to ensure that all persons present in, employed by, or in any way involved in the operation of, any such licensed premises are 21 or older;
If a city wants to legalize sales, it can only be up to an ounce per transaction and everybody involved has to be 21 or older.
(e) consumption of cannabis within licensed premises;
A city can license bars and coffee shops to allow on-site toking, as well as the retail marijuana stores.
(f) safe and secure transportation of cannabis from a licensed premises for cultivation or processing, to a licensed premises for sale or on-premises consumption of cannabis;
(g) prohibit and punish through civil fines or other remedies the possession, sale, possession for sale, cultivation, processing, or transportation of cannabis that was not obtained lawfully from a person pursuant to this section or section 11300;
A city can punish you for getting cannabis illegally. You can grow your own or you can buy it from a licensed store. You and your friends can share what you grow, up to an ounce each.
(h) appropriate controls on licensed premises for sale, cultivation, processing, or sale and on-premises consumption, of cannabis, including limits on zoning and land use, locations, size, hours of operation, occupancy, protection of adjoining and nearby properties and persons from unwanted exposure, advertising, signs and displays, and other controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare;
A city could limit a pot store’s locations, hours, size, advertising, and keep them away from other businesses.
(i) appropriate environmental and public health controls to ensure that any licensed premises minimizes any harm to the environment, adjoining and nearby landowners, and persons passing by;
A city could make you control the smoke and smell and make you be polite to nearby businesses and locals.
(j) appropriate controls to restrict public displays, or public consumption of cannabis;
(k) appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302;
A city can tax marijuana and keep it out of public view.
(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;
A city might decide you are allowed to grow more than a 5′x5′ garden and possess more than an ounce for personal consumption. And maybe they decide you can buy and sell more than an ounce at a time. Hooray!
(m) any other appropriate controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare.
Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
Cities can tax cannabis and create fees for licensing and can use that to cover the costs of enforcing the law.
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold.
Licensed cannabis businesses have to pay their taxes.
Section 11303: Seizure
(a) Notwithstanding sections 11470 and 11479 of the Health and Safety Code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold or used in compliance with this Act or any local government ordinance, law or regulation adopted pursuant to this Act.
Cops cannot take your plants or your weed if you’re obeying the law.
Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving, or that penalizes bringing cannabis to a school enrolling pupils in any grade from kindergarten through 12, inclusive.
You can’t smoke pot while doing something dangerous. You can’t bring pot to school.
(b) Nothing in this Act shall be construed or interpreted to permit interstate or international transportation of cannabis. This Act shall be construed to permit a person to transport cannabis in a safe and secure manner from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county pursuant to any ordinances adopted in such cities or counties, notwithstanding any other state law or the lack of any such ordinance in the intervening cities or counties.
You can’t take your weed out of state or out of the country. But you can take it from one legal place to another, even if the places in-between aren’t legal.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
This is a big one. You can’t be punished or denied privileges based on pot smoking. The only exception is employers preventing you from smoking pot on the job. Note the “actually impairs job performance” language. This is the loophole through which some attorney is going to drive a big truck delivering us freedom from workplace pee testing for cannabis. Pee test metabolites do not prove workplace impairment.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) “Marijuana” and “cannabis” are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
Hemp is also in Genus Cannabis. Cities could legalize industrial hemp production. Hash, hash oil, and edibles are all legal, too.
(ii) “One ounce” means 28.5 grams.
We just got an extra 0.15 grams… because an ounce is really 28.3495231 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) “cannabis plant” means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
So the ounce in your plate of brownies is still only an ounce, not the pound that the brownies weigh.
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
Your plants, in the ground or freshly cut and hanging, don’t count against the one ounce that you can have on your person. So long as the plants fit in 25 sq ft, you’re golden. Since you can already have the fruits of your harvest at home, the fact that this also means your plants don’t count against your home weight is irrelevant
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
Even if you have a whole lot of marijuana, you still have a defense in court that your marijuana was for your own personal consumption.
(v) “residence” means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
Since “residence” could have more than one occupant, but each “residence” only gets one 5′x5′ garden, this is a minor issue in a multi-roommate situation. But even sharing the garden, it is more garden than they are allowed to grow now.
(vi) “local government” means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) “licensed premises” is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.
Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
These first two sections confuse many readers as they think these are all new additions to law. Parts (a) and (b) are the parts of the law as they already exist. Only (c) and (d) are the new portions:
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
This is the one section that gets a lot of attention. Currently, the punishment for a “gift” of marijuana from a 21+ to a 18-20 is a citation and $100 fine. Now it will be six months and $1,000.
But this is the punishment in California for providing alcohol to 18-20s. Politically, initiative backers had to face the fact that “What About the Children?!?” is one of the few compelling arguments the opposition has left. No initiative that legalizes for 18-year-olds – many of whom are still in high school – has a prayer of passing yet.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.
If you own or work in a pot store and your marijuana gets in the hands of someone under 21, you can’t own, work in, or even go to any pot store for a year.
Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act. Such permitted amendments include but are not limited to:
The people, through initiative, or the legislature, through bills, can amend this Act, but only to better define what we said this Act was about in the Purposes above, or to…
(a) Amendments to the limitations in section 11300, which limitations are minimum thresholds and the Legislature may adopt less restrictive limitations.
Nobody can make your one ounce and 5′x5′ garden smaller, but the state could give you more.
(b) Statutes and authorize regulations to further the purposes of the Act to establish a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry that addresses some or all of the items referenced in Sections 11301 and 11302.
The state could set up a statewide cannabis industry.
(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes.
The state could get serious about industrial hemp production.
Section 6: Severability
If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.
If the courts strike down, say, the sales portion of the law, that doesn’t kill the personal possession and cultivation parts of the law.
 

Scuba

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You are.....
dude, you are so blinded by ignorance it's amusing. you sound like a child who thinks they know what they are talking about. You hastily call people a fool, to demean them and make them shut up, you are the kind of person who is ruining it for US.
I have my Medical Marijuana card, for my back, for which I have a slipped disk in my spine. You know nothing about me, you don't know anything. All you think you know is what you read, Well guess what ignoramus?

Only believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
Our government has used capitalistic methods on every thing from Rx medications to Alcohol and Cigarettes. And they are just waiting for the ignorant public (Ie. YOU) to let them do it to marijuana as well.

hope you have fun learning something
 

Luger187

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See that is the problem,why fake a illness to get smoke.
That is what they are using against us now is the people just want to smoke.
People just getting a card to smoke is ruining it for the legite medical users.
Not just a bunch of fuckers who want to smoke and not worry.
Like i said most of the med users a really selfish fuckheads.
so we should just pass this law cuz it says it will make weed legal? read between the lines man. dont be so naive
 

fdd2blk

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so there then needs to be an official scale of what is defined as a dry plant, and what is defined as wet or still drying surely? In the bill it states that cannabis plant referes to a living plant. When does a chopped bud become "dead" for it to become classified as cannabis and not a plant? Reason i ask is i'd have thought the trial would need a scale for what constitutes drying etc, in the same way they use grams and ounces to classify legal and illegal weight?

Do current medical users have to justify how much they smoke, or just that they need a card?

Oh, and Fdd, you're kinda pulling things outta the future as well with your opinions on how cops and judges will side ;)
i think i have a pretty fair assessment of how cops and judges act. ;)

all your questions are reasons why this bill is flawed. it doesn't address any of that, does it?
 

Luger187

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so there then needs to be an official scale of what is defined as a dry plant, and what is defined as wet or still drying surely? In the bill it states that cannabis plant referes to a living plant. When does a chopped bud become "dead" for it to become classified as cannabis and not a plant? Reason i ask is i'd have thought the trial would need a scale for what constitutes drying etc, in the same way they use grams and ounces to classify legal and illegal weight?

Do current medical users have to justify how much they smoke, or just that they need a card?

Oh, and Fdd, you're kinda pulling things outta the future as well with your opinions on how cops and judges will side ;)
i believe we are allowed as much as we want, but usually theres an 8 ounce limit. if u have more(and need it all), and u can prove that u really do need it, u are allowed to have more.

like if u were in bad pain all the time, and were in a wheelchair u would probly be allowed to have a lot. this is because its hard for that person to go back and forth to and from the dispensary. but a person with anxiety doesnt need that much since he can just go grab it whenever without a problem

and fdd is right. if the law technically allows for that cop to arrest me, u bet ur ass he will. i dont want all these technicalities in this thing. its open to too much interpretation and allows for people to be hassled. we should wait for a better bill thats not funded by someone trying to make money off weed. richard lee is trying to take over the market, and this law would easily allow him to do that. he put 1.3 million dollars into this bill. sounds like an investment to me, since he will be making a lot more than that if it passes
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
i dont think they could do a dryness test on weed. if anyone has an idea on how they could id like to hear it
 

Scuba

Well-Known Member
we should wait for a better bill thats not funded by someone trying to make money off weed. richard lee is trying to take over the market, and this law would easily allow him to do that. he put 1.3 million dollars into this bill. sounds like an investment to me, since he will be making a lot more than that if it passes
thank you we have a winner, now you get a chicken dinner. but now the government wants 3 chickens for you one. sounds fair right? hahaha

what you said is a huge point to this bill, anyone who says it's not all about money is lying or being ignorant of how this world works.
the assholes who plan to make a profit from this bill is only the government, they will expect 3x the amount they invest or they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
 

redivider

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i believe we are allowed as much as we want, but usually theres an 8 ounce limit. if u have more(and need it all), and u can prove that u really do need it, u are allowed to have more.

like if u were in bad pain all the time, and were in a wheelchair u would probly be allowed to have a lot. this is because its hard for that person to go back and forth to and from the dispensary. but a person with anxiety doesnt need that much since he can just go grab it whenever without a problem

and fdd is right. if the law technically allows for that cop to arrest me, u bet ur ass he will. i dont want all these technicalities in this thing. its open to too much interpretation and allows for people to be hassled. we should wait for a better bill thats not funded by someone trying to make money off weed. richard lee is trying to take over the market, and this law would easily allow him to do that. he put 1.3 million dollars into this bill. sounds like an investment to me, since he will be making a lot more than that if it passes
The technicalities allow the law to evolve with society's needs. Yes, some peoplenwill be hassled, just how a drunk can be hassled. It's not perfect, life rarely is. Vote this down and it'll be years before this can be reconsidered.

And if somebody deserves to make money it's this guy. He's made mmj approachable, he gave us anonymous smokers a face. He's dedicated years to this movement, in public, in front of the cameras, in the feds face, putting himself at risk....not in his den, while the kids take a nap.
 

TokinPodPilot

Well-Known Member
The technicalities allow the law to evolve with society's needs. Yes, some peoplenwill be hassled, just how a drunk can be hassled. It's not perfect, life rarely is. Vote this down and it'll be years before this can be reconsidered.

And if somebody deserves to make money it's this guy. He's made mmj approachable, he gave us anonymous smokers a face. He's dedicated years to this movement, in public, in front of the cameras, in the feds face, putting himself at risk....not in his den, while the kids take a nap.
Hook, line and sinker... some people just live to be owned.
 

GanjaAL

Active Member
Growing marijuana outdoors is simple in California. The anticipated legalization of marijuana - Prop 19 on the November ballot - is already being greeted with proposals for pot factory farms. Now small growers cry foul; but what did they think would happen?

It Started with Medical Marijuana

Getting legal Mary Jane is nothing new in the Golden State. The "American Medical Marijuana Association" devotes itself to protecting patients' rights and access to prescribed dope. They also work to protect patients who choose to smoke medically sanctioned weed from far-reaching consequences. A case in point is the recent news that smoking medical marijuana led to the firing of a Wal-Mart employee.

Then Came a Push for the Blanket Legalization of Marijuana

Championed in 2009 by San Francisco Democrat Tom Ammiano, the idea never really went away. As a result, California voters have the option of voting for the legalization of marijuana on the November ballot in the form of Proposition 19. Perfectly summarized by AOL News, Prop 19 proposes to make the private possession of weed (up to one ounce) legal for adults over 21 years of age. It would also turn dope into a taxable crop.

Enter the Pot Factory Farm

A savvy Oakland business entrepreneur is getting ready ahead of the anticipated legalization of marijuana. Seeking to carve out a sizable niche of the market, the L.A. Times reports that the owner of the already incorporated AgraMed proposes to take Mary Jane production into the big leagues.

The entrepreneur has outlined plans to "manufacture growing equipment, bake marijuana edibles in a 10,000-square-foot kitchen and use two football fields of space to grow about 58 pounds of marijuana every day." The irresistible hook in this scenario is the influx of ready cash and jobs: 371 workers would staff the plant, and a projected $1.5 million in annual tax payments would make it into Oakland's coffers.

Small Time Dope Growers are Outraged

Although in the past the electorate was sold on the idea of medical marijuana as a doctor-patient decision and on the mushrooming number of small-time dispensaries in Los Angeles as necessary for the good of needy patients, these same marijuana activists are now crying foul. It appears that it is no longer really just about the patient and ready availability of the drug, but also about cold, hard cash.

With pot factory farming likely to do to smalltime growers what Costco and Wal-Mart have done to mom-and-pop grocery stores and Ace Hardware, detractors - as outlined in the New York Times - ask why this proposal should be considered in the first place. Small grower representatives are asking to "bring these citizen farmers out of the shadows and into the light and give them a role in this new industry."

It is true that the mom-and-pop medical marijuana growers are the backbone of the legalization effort. It is also true that growing marijuana outdoors is a simple task in California, with little need for pot factory farming.

All that said, the activists who worked so tirelessly on the legalization of marijuana may have overlooked just one tiny fact surrounding the purple haze: Once dope becomes legal, it also becomes big business.
 

whiteflour

Well-Known Member
The technicalities allow the law to evolve with society's needs. Yes, some peoplenwill be hassled, just how a drunk can be hassled. It's not perfect, life rarely is. Vote this down and it'll be years before this can be reconsidered.

And if somebody deserves to make money it's this guy. He's made mmj approachable, he gave us anonymous smokers a face. He's dedicated years to this movement, in public, in front of the cameras, in the feds face, putting himself at risk....not in his den, while the kids take a nap.
I have more respect for Ronald McDonald than this Clown of Pot.
 

TokinPodPilot

Well-Known Member
Growing marijuana outdoors is simple in California. The anticipated legalization of marijuana - Prop 19 on the November ballot - is already being greeted with proposals for pot factory farms. Now small growers cry foul; but what did they think would happen?

It Started with Medical Marijuana

Getting legal Mary Jane is nothing new in the Golden State. The "American Medical Marijuana Association" devotes itself to protecting patients' rights and access to prescribed dope. They also work to protect patients who choose to smoke medically sanctioned weed from far-reaching consequences. A case in point is the recent news that smoking medical marijuana led to the firing of a Wal-Mart employee.

Then Came a Push for the Blanket Legalization of Marijuana

Championed in 2009 by San Francisco Democrat Tom Ammiano, the idea never really went away. As a result, California voters have the option of voting for the legalization of marijuana on the November ballot in the form of Proposition 19. Perfectly summarized by AOL News, Prop 19 proposes to make the private possession of weed (up to one ounce) legal for adults over 21 years of age. It would also turn dope into a taxable crop.

Enter the Pot Factory Farm

A savvy Oakland business entrepreneur is getting ready ahead of the anticipated legalization of marijuana. Seeking to carve out a sizable niche of the market, the L.A. Times reports that the owner of the already incorporated AgraMed proposes to take Mary Jane production into the big leagues.

The entrepreneur has outlined plans to "manufacture growing equipment, bake marijuana edibles in a 10,000-square-foot kitchen and use two football fields of space to grow about 58 pounds of marijuana every day." The irresistible hook in this scenario is the influx of ready cash and jobs: 371 workers would staff the plant, and a projected $1.5 million in annual tax payments would make it into Oakland's coffers.

Small Time Dope Growers are Outraged

Although in the past the electorate was sold on the idea of medical marijuana as a doctor-patient decision and on the mushrooming number of small-time dispensaries in Los Angeles as necessary for the good of needy patients, these same marijuana activists are now crying foul. It appears that it is no longer really just about the patient and ready availability of the drug, but also about cold, hard cash.

With pot factory farming likely to do to smalltime growers what Costco and Wal-Mart have done to mom-and-pop grocery stores and Ace Hardware, detractors - as outlined in the New York Times - ask why this proposal should be considered in the first place. Small grower representatives are asking to "bring these citizen farmers out of the shadows and into the light and give them a role in this new industry."

It is true that the mom-and-pop medical marijuana growers are the backbone of the legalization effort. It is also true that growing marijuana outdoors is a simple task in California, with little need for pot factory farming.

All that said, the activists who worked so tirelessly on the legalization of marijuana may have overlooked just one tiny fact surrounding the purple haze: Once dope becomes legal, it also becomes big business.
We didn't overlook it... we're trying to find a better way. It's all well and good to write and imagine a future without want or greed, but it won't happen through capitalism and centralized production. We have an actual opportunity to create a new model of doing business and providing for life through sustainability and evolved chemurgic and agri-industrial methodology. Instead, we get this farce of legalization which threatens 20 years of clawing our way forward. It's to be expected though... there's always some snake in the grass that's waiting to take advantage of people's good will and intentions.
 

GanjaAL

Active Member
That is why I am voting no... everone is crying about how far we have come but do not relize how far prop 19 will set us back.

Decriminalization! Not taxation!
 
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