Want opinion on lit setup please

NightOwlBono

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Hey guys I'm looking into setting up a new grow spot in my house.
im thinking with the space I have I will only have enough space for a 5.5wideX3deepX7tall room(feet)

Because of space I will be veging in this room and flowering,just adding more light at flower and adjusting the schedule.

for veg I want to run 2X400w MH in a dual cool tube,along with some t5ho fixtures on the sides of the walls.
and up top by the cool tubes I want to run one 2ft sunblaster and one 3ft sunblaster(in veg I will run2700k,in flower5400k, I know it's opposite)
for the t5ho I'm thinking I will use sunblaster brand(cheep,tough,bright)plus you can daisychain upto 6 off the same timer.
so on the 5.5foot long walls I want to put 2X48inch sunblasters lengthways(one 5400k,one 2700k)
and on the 3ft walls I want to put 2X24 inch sunblasters lengthways(2700k,and 5400k)
these will run through both veg and flower.
plus in all four corners I will be running one 12w growspot brand mixed spectrum led bulb(old stock)
(all one 1w LEDs,3X460nm,3X480nm,3X630nm,3X660nm)

once I get to flower I will switch from 2X400w MH to 2X 600w HPS,and the t5ho fixtures up top will switch spectrums to even it out(2700k to 5400k)



Ok so I have that all figured out.i want to know your guys opinion on the penetrator 168x2pro(3w LEDs)
I want to run two of these up top with my MH and t5ho
what do you guys think?
its from hydrogrow led.com if you wana check out the specs
I think they should add a little extra oomph
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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why not just get a 1000w HPS and call it a day?

not sure why u think you need 2 t5 panels 2 400w HID and LED's for a 5x3 grow space but in my opinion its a bit overkill. spend some of that lighting money on CO2 it will make your plants grow faster than all that extra lighting.

my 2¢
 

Slipon

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agree, cept on the Co2, be careful using that, and will fist pay off when every thing els is spot on ..

2x 400W will cover you space nicely (make sure you have a nice big ventilation on them cool tubes)

but I don't really get what you want with the T5HOs, need to be with in 2-4 Inch`s of the plant to provide enough light, at 6-10" my light meter don't show much and at 12" I don't even get a reading, so IMO it will only add on to your heat and electric bill
 

NightOwlBono

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Thanks for your reply guys.

I understand its overkill with the lights,and I plan on having some wicked fans running my ventilation.

i have a co2 regulator,Titan co2 monitor.my fried gave me them when he quit growing.
im a noob still,only three grows under my belt,first two were complete failures.
once I get this room up and running with the lights I mentioned above I plan on setting up the co2 after a couple grows.

so other than the way over kill in cost of equipment and electricity bill,large fans needed.
is there a downside to having all of the lights I mentioned,works out to 1910 watts veg, 2310watts flower
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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Thanks for your reply guys.

I understand its overkill with the lights,and I plan on having some wicked fans running my ventilation.

i have a co2 regulator,Titan co2 monitor.my fried gave me them when he quit growing.
im a noob still,only three grows under my belt,first two were complete failures.
once I get this room up and running with the lights I mentioned above I plan on setting up the co2 after a couple grows.

so other than the way over kill in cost of equipment and electricity bill,large fans needed.
is there a downside to having all of the lights I mentioned,works out to 1910 watts veg, 2310watts flower
theres just no need for that much wattage in a 5x3 area man. get that Co2 setup now...its well worth the time and you cant really hurt anything by getting it setup . not sure why Slip said to "be carefull" Co2 is a pretty harmless gas, obviously humans need oxygen and if the room is too rich in CO2 you wont be able to breathe but thats when you exit the room and turn the tank and controlls way down. from what i understand 1200 ppm is where you want to be with CO2 and you can allow your teps to reach up to 90 for optimal results.

and i agree with slipon, the T5's are useless at longer ranges and sde lighting is kinda just a waste of money. most decent growers keep thier canopy even and focus the light on the tops of the plants and cut off all bottom growth because it uses up energy and never amounts to shit no matter how much side lighting you have.

2x 400w will work well too that gives each 400w a 3x2.5 ft area to cover which it will do just fine.
 

NightOwlBono

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Ok thanks for the help guys,I understand what your saying.
i should be specific too,I will only have 2-3 plants in the room with a very long veg cycle.

so the three of you are all saying the side lighting is pointless,i can take that out of my plan.

but the t5ho fixture I wanted up top can be lowered and raised as much as I want,so I can get them as close as I want.
i figured in veg I would run 400w MH and 2700k t5ho to even out the spectrum,then in flower I would put in 600w HPS and switch the t5ho to 5400k(again evening out the spectrum).

what do you guys think of that?

I can consider setting up the co2,but I'm still curious about running my LEDs 168x pro leds up top as well.
 

Slipon

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yea what I meant, about the Co2, I know its harmless, unless you don't know what your messing with and have your grow room/tent/closed located in your bed room (im a smithy/welder so I know my Co2) dont want to "not" wake up in the morning

and yes light is overkill, I still believe 2x400W is perfect for that room. make a Scrog in there ;) of course with Co2 enrichment you can turn up your temps and light and plant will be able to absore more, but then I would go for 2x600W with some nice cool hoods and a big 8" ventilation

use the T5HOs outside on a table with your seedlings in cup`s getting them ready for your grow room wile your flowering plants finish
 

NightOwlBono

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You guys are no fun at all :D .its not about the price it cost to produce its about mixing all spectrums to try to get the best quality medicine.
i grow for myself no one else

thanks I'm on my way out the door to go to the city and do some running around.
if I get some time ill check the price on co2 tanks.i already have a controller/monitor my friend gave me and a regulator.

ok so no t5ho lights in my tent,I'll listen to you guys
i don't care that's its overkill,I own the two led 168x led fixtures already so I think I will still have them in my room,if I can get the ventilation right so I'm not over heating the room.
 

hotrodharley

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2 to 3 plants and all that lighting apparatus? I agree with the guy suggesting a single 100 watter. And you will NOT be able to cool the mess you describe no matter what your plans are.
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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you can obtain mixed spectrum by simply using a broader spectrum of bulb in you HID's they sell dual spectrum bulbs. they are expensive but the are a 2 in 1 deal both MH and HPS in one bulb.

its funny because you rarly tell people on here they have too much light but i just think that running 1910 watts in veg for 3 plants is going to cost you more than its worth. based on my KWH rating that would run you roughly 80 bucks a month and thats just the lights. based on a 18/6 lighting period

and in flower running 2310w will run you around 63 bucks a month on your lighting bill. i know it dosent sound like alot but will turn a 100 bucks a month bill into around 200 bucks a month. thats doubling your electricity bill.

and yes i understand why you ould want to run the t5 for a broader spectrum. maybe try using 1 panel between your 2 lights with your mixed colors and maybe a UVB bulb in there and that will be a nice addition along side the mixed spectrum HID bulbs. or you could run all UVB in the T5 and the 2 mixed spec bulbs. i have heard good things about UVB but do your research as overdoing it may be harmfull to your plants.
 

Slipon

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lol yea a bit funny, normal I tell Ppl to get more then etc. one 23W CFL for his plant now Im telling somebody to get less :D

btw

I love T5HOs and run em for veg. provide enough light as plants in the vegetive stages only need 1/3 of the light as flowering plants .. I run a 600W HPS with a cool hood and a 6" vent/filter in flowering in my 3x4 space
 

infdjedi

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I could have some good advice for you as I run a similar setup. I have a 3'Wx6'Lx9'H room. I have 2x600wHPS in air cooled hoods and a 6'' vortex fan pulling through a carbon filter and exiting outside.

I ran 8 plants, idea was to have 4 in the 3x3 area. I used 5gl smart pots.. and let the plants veg from sprouting seed till about 6 weeks in. This was a little too much in some ways. My biggest plant is like 5ft tall. I don't know what I did... but everything was correct and they exploded. It's a bit too much for the amount of space, so I highly suggest only vegging for 3-4 weeks. I ran sativa/indica hybrids. W/ that limited space your lower branches will not get a lot of light so do TONS of lollipopping and trimming. I did LOTS of topping and FIMMING so they all ended up having 12-15 top colas which I trimmed down to 8 per plant.

Side lighting would be beneficial but goodluck getting it in there. In a 3ft width area the plants will be up against the walls or very close to them.. would be cutting it close putting t5s there. If anything I would have liked to dangle a 400WMH in between the 2 600s. LED is probably overkill. I would stick w/ 2 400ws and be happy. If you haven't bought them yet get 2 600s if you want to do any increases. I wouldn't get a 1000w since you only have a 3' width area. 600 is PLENTY for me.

Also.. how do you access your room? From the 3ft side or the 5ft side? If the 3.. what I ended up doing was building 2 3X3 wooden tables on wheels. I can swap them around pretty easily. Just some plywood and 2x1's on the bottom were fine.

Just remember to train your plants to use the limited space as efficiently as possible. Also w/ a space that small a carbon filter is a plus.

goodluck
 

NightOwlBono

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See now I'm getting mixed messages,you say side lighting is good,the other two guys say its a waste of time.

i decided to leave the side lighting out,and only run the two 400w Mh veg,two 600w HPs fflower once the room is completely built I will see how well my ventilation keeps the room cool.
if the room stays cool enough Ill consider adding my two led fixtures,chances are you guys are right and it will be too hot though.

and I diddent get a chance yesterday to check out prices on co2 tanks,but I am definitely considering setting it up next run.



i gave all three of you +rep for helping me
 

NightOwlBono

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Oh sorry just noticed two other people posted yesterday.

I plan on getting a carbon filter,thank you.
i currently own two electronic lumatec ballasts they can run 400/600w Mh/HPS each.

i wanted to do two-3 plants with a really long veg,and lots of tying down.
or if that wasn't going to work do like 6-8 plants in a Scrog


i understand everyone saying the side lighting is useless in my situation,my room is not wide enough,plants would touch and possibly burn.


It really all depends if I can get enough venation to keep this room cool,if I can keep it cool I will setup one t5 up top(evening out spectrum)
And in a perfect world if I setup co2 and and I can have my heat a little higher,I will setup my led fixtures
 

RetiredMatthebrute

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well if your going to be doing a bunch of tying down and making a nice large canopy then chances are your going to want to lolly pop the underneath anyways to allow more energy to be focused on them top colas.
 

NightOwlBono

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well if your going to be doing a bunch of tying down and making a nice large canopy then chances are your going to want to lolly pop the underneath anyways to allow more energy to be focused on them top colas.
Like I said I'm a noob,only three grow under my belt,first two were complete failures.
i really appreciate your help.
last time(third grow) I grew in dirt and just let them grow wild(no trimming,no training),I was using t5ho/cfl veg,and 400w MH and cfl for flower.


this time I was going to do LST,but now that you mention it,yes I should probably lolly pop the bottom
these are still new techniques for me
 

Flaming Pie

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Like I said I'm a noob,only three grow under my belt,first two were complete failures.
i really appreciate your help.
last time(third grow) I grew in dirt and just let them grow wild(no trimming,no training),I was using t5ho/cfl veg,and 400w MH and cfl for flower.


this time I was going to do LST,but now that you mention it,yes I should probably lolly pop the bottom
these are still new techniques for me
I think you should describe your first two grows so that we can help you not make the same mistakes. That, or be sure to post details of your current grow so we can help you.

Would be a shame to invest so much into a grow and lose it halfway through.
 

Slipon

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Like I said I'm a noob,only three grow under my belt,first two were complete failures.
i really appreciate your help.
last time(third grow) I grew in dirt and just let them grow wild(no trimming,no training),I was using t5ho/cfl veg,and 400w MH and cfl for flower.


this time I was going to do LST,but now that you mention it,yes I should probably lolly pop the bottom
these are still new techniques for me
I like LST, don't put much stress on em, look in to Scrog (use a Net over them to "LST" them and keep em down so they branch out and end up with a even canopy at the right distance to the lights

[video=youtube;w4FAqd8-Xmw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FAqd8-Xmw[/video]
 

NightOwlBono

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I think you should describe your first two grows so that we can help you not make the same mistakes. That, or be sure to post details of your current grow so we can help you.


Would be a shame to invest so much into a grow and lose it halfway through.
For sure,I understand your worries.i have learned from my past mistakes(there were a lot)
sit down with a bong and get ready for some of the worst growing story's ever.


first grow- high school(young and dumb)
got some bags of miracle grow soil,perlite,little fine sand. I had a 200w UVA/UVB bulb for my old pet chameleonLOL.
Luckily I actually had a decent hookup in high school so I talked to a friend and he got me 5 purple kush seeds.
started them in paper towel ,I diddent know about soaking them in distilled/ro water at that time.
surprisingly all 5 seeds start,I put them in 4 inch plant pots with the crappy soil mixture mentioned^.
i went heavy on watering them because they kept drying out,i don't know why?(the fucking heat lamp lol)
One of the 5 rotted and never popped above the soil.so now I have 4 left.
I put the sprouts in a south facing window with the UVA/UVB bulb above them,about a week goes by and my friend(who knew abit about growing)told me I have the kind of bulbs/light.
i went and bought some sunblaster t5ho fixtures and some cfls,they were doing alright considering I was using miracle grow liquid fert along with the MG soil.
i transferred them to 6inch pots,they experienced a lot of stress at this time,so I though they need water,lots of water.
i killed two with root rot over the next week or so.
at this point I built a shitty tent/room in my basement and started setting up t t5's and cfl's in it.(3X2 room)
i diddent think about ventilation I only had a small 4 inch fan running at the base of the tent bringing in fresh air,and a 5 inch oscillating fan in the room to move air and strengthen the plants.
i had some vent holes on the top and side....
seemed like a decent setup(in my head)


About four weeks later the plants were like 10-12inches,not great growth and showing lots of nute burns(but I was a noob and thought the over feeding was actually something the plant was missing,so I kept adding random fertilizers to try to fix it)
I put them into my shitty shack 12/12 lights mostly 2700k lights some 5400k
Forgot to mention I diddent now how to sex a plant,so I was just going to put my two in the room and hope for the best.....
One week in I was concerned they weren't growing much,and no buds yet!
obviously I needed to buy AN bud blood DUH!
i burned those plants so bad one died over night the other one came back slowly over the next week.
but I started watering the plants so much and my ventilation sucked so much that eventually a week later my last plant died from root rot,I weren't feeding fertilizer at this time,just lots of water.
first run I never PHed,or checked TDS


Grow 2
So I realized I was a complete noob,did a lot of reading over the next year and a half,I started vegetable gardens in my back yard(great practice,and I learned organic gardening,still learning)
i thought I figured out most of my problems,over watering,over fertilizing,not enough ventilation,cheep soil,and I wanted better lighting.
i had two bag seeds from some really really good hash plant(only one s female,both started)
so even though I had zero experience with DWC I had read so much I KNEW what I was doing,lol.
I used that same crappy tent I built a year and a half eariler(how lazy am I?diddent even take it down lol)
I installed a 4 inch high powered fan with a cool tube for my 400wMh,and I installed two of the same fans in the shack,one sending in fresh air on the bottom of the tent,the other sending hot air out the top.
Heat was not an issue this run,over fertilization was
i veged in this room I was using a 5 gallon for my dwc,I went to a crappy store and a guy talked me into buying gunnisse fertilizer(grow,flower,micro,bee one,royal gold)
i found it was high in salt content,and had unnecessary dyes in it.
i was using hydroton in the basket,with a top feed system running from the pail bellow on a timer.airstone in the bucket(I know controversial)
i worked out my watering schedule so I wasn't keeping it to wet or too dry
everything was going alright it was 20 inches when I sent her into flower with a 600wMH
But again I kept over feeding with nutes and I kept burning the crap out of her(oh ya at this time I could find a male or female right on!)
I burned her once in veg,once again in first two weeks of flower(bud blood),and I finically killed her off fourth week of flower from nute burn.
this run bugged me the most because I was changing the water twice a week,cleaning the bucket/rocks.
i was doing everything right except for was over fertilizing(was using liquid ph tests for aquariums,worked well)
and a tds meter,but I was following the grow chart too closely and used way too much ferts.


Third grow- year later
I decided to scrap the DWC because I'm still learning the basics.
Back to soil I used black magic organic soil(might only be available in bc)perilite,greensand,little glacial rock dust(at this point in time I diddent know synthetic ferts,killed off the benefits of organic products)
i still had that Guinness fertilizer so I gave away the royal gold and got royal black for soil.
my friends said a good starter plant is northern lights so I ordered 5 seeds.(4 started,3 were female)
i way cut back my fertilizer all the way through veg,and flower,I received nute burn once week three of veg,not bad
I veged them for about 4.5-5weeks,I hear most people like to veg northern lights for 80-100days(ill know next time)
i flushed for a week,diddent know much about flushing,and I left the lights off two days before I chopped them down.
i diddent do anything fancy(no training or topping) but this time I made it thought flower YA! wOOHOO


now came the important part,curing I had done a little reading on drying and curing
I cut all the main branches off and hung then on string in a dark closet corner of my basement with some fans on timers.
after I felt they were ready,when the stems bend and snap but there is a small layer of outter fiber holding it from fully snapping off.
I diddent get a huge yield so I took the buds off the stems/branches and put them all in a big dark Rubbermaid tote,opening the lid for an hour two/three times a day.
i got 65.5 grams dried medicine from all three plants averaging about 21.8g each plant,I know not great but it tasted pretty good










i am not currently growing,this thread was started because I am starting to build my new room soon so I can start up again
 
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