Way too many contradictions in this hobby.

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ComfortCreator

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hotrodharley said:
Ever built a hot rod? Ever built a house or any building? Differing opinions and theories abound on each eh. Same for travel or many other ventures humans engage in.
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Golf is the most apt comparison
People buy all these fancy devices
Silly clothes
Lots of watching videos
But few take lessons
And fewer have a swing that actually is decent
Yet over and over people who golf do everything except practice the basics lol
 
O0gieBO0gie

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The idea behind "flushing" is like "swing cooking". In swing cooking, you turn off the oven/stove before the food is actually finished cooking and you allow the residual heat finish cooking the food. This technique saves energy. With plant "flushing", you stop feeding nutes for the last week or two of flowering and you allow the residual nutes stored in the plant's foliage to finish feeding the buds until harvest. This technique saves nutes.
 
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O0gieBO0gie said:
The idea behind "flushing" is like "swing cooking". In swing cooking, you turn off the oven/stove before the food is actually finished cooking and you allow the residual heat finish cooking the food. This technique saves energy. With plant "flushing", you stop feeding nutes for the last week or two of flowering and you allow the residual nutes stored in the plant's foliage to finish feeding the buds until harvest. This technique saves nutes.
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Do you have a journal I could check out?
 
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1: breeders literally either put 7-9 or 8-10 because more people will buy them than if they put 10-12. Will you find occasional quick pheno that matches breeders timeline? Sure but it's more the exception than rule
2: I don't remember who came up with the 8(micro)/16(bloom) but the website (it's an old ass angel fire site) will put you in the right direction regarding proper plant feeding. It's a great start to dialing your grow. H3ad broke it all down further. Especially helpful for growing in Coco but even growing in soil it will give you knowledge about what a good npk ratio means
3: everything scientific I've read (and experienced) says flushing doesn't make sense especially if you're not overfeeding

And yes a lot of deficiencies can look similar but if you nerd out on your feed numbers and Mulder's chart you can kind of figure out what lines up
 
Fallguy111

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I've never had anything finish in less then 70 days from flip. Instead of focusing on the things others don't agree on focus on similarities. After a few grows you'll have your own preferences and ideas.
 
hotrodharley

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O0gieBO0gie said:
The idea behind "flushing" is like "swing cooking". In swing cooking, you turn off the oven/stove before the food is actually finished cooking and you allow the residual heat finish cooking the food. This technique saves energy. With plant "flushing", you stop feeding nutes for the last week or two of flowering and you allow the residual nutes stored in the plant's foliage to finish feeding the buds until harvest. This technique saves nutes.
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Saves nutes and starves the plants. We’ve pulled blind taste tests on “experts” for years. Oh yeah they can definitely tell the organic grown. And whether it’s been flushed too. Total BS. And if flushing is beneficial to the taste where’s a test showing it? I posted the one showing it doesn’t help and the one clown gets on challenging it but can’t prove squat.
 
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hotrodharley said:
Saves nutes and starves the plants. We’ve pulled blind taste tests on “experts” for years. Oh yeah they can definitely tell the organic grown. And whether it’s been flushed too. Total BS. And if flushing is beneficial to the taste where’s a test showing it? I posted the one showing it doesn’t help and the one clown gets on challenging it but can’t prove squat.
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Lol slow down hommie I didn't say shit about "taste". I'm saying you won't see a difference in yield whether you flush for a week or not therefore why waste the nutes?
 
Coldnasty

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Somatek said:
Grow books give you a good baseline but don't fill in all the gaps and are based on the best info at the time of publishing which we're finding out isn't necessarily the best way to grow now that it's actually being studied rigorously in universities as a new cash crop. Short version; take everything with a grain of salt.



People's advice is often wrong and often is simply parroting what they've read elsewhere with no nuanced understanding. Like saying "2 more weeks" when looking at a single pic of one bud which doesn't give enough context to give an answer. There's a trap of beginners asking beginner questions which only other almost-beginners answer as anyone who's spent time growing/online gets bored of the endless legions of people asking the same questions. There isn't one right answer, it's a matter of taste as some prefer an earlier harvest (headier/speedier) while others prefer a late one (more narcotic/sedative). As a grower it's up to you to figure out where to harvest the varieties you grow, which is easier with clones vs seeds as their consistent and easier to learn on. Again though the prevailing online attitude is "seeds are easier and just as good"...



Bloom nutes are designed to meet a plants needs during flowering; people who say they cause more harm then good don't know what their talking about and clearly are blaming the product for their mistakes. That's as common as people blaming a tool when their lack of experience is the issue. If you bought a quality fertilizer, follow their recommendations cut in half. It's good advice for beginners to use half strength as the recommended dose is assuming the plants are in an ideal environment with maximum potential growth. As a beginner that won't be the case, so start with half strength as a baseline to avoid excess fertigation.



It was standard and widely accepted that flushing before harvest improved quality by reducing the mineral content in the plant matter, improving how it burns/tastes. A paper from the UoG on optimal irrigation studies for pot had a blurb about testing that theory and didn't find any difference in the mineral content of the bud when analyzed. Which created the controversy around whether it does anything. The study didn't have any subjective testing to see whether people preferred flushed or unflushed pot, it simply looked at nutrient content. Looking at the actual paper though it also notes there wasn't any significant difference in weight; which logically to me means there's no point wasting money on ferts in the last couple weeks if the plant isn't really using them. The more you cut through the chatter and go to the source, the less confusing things are. Equally if someone doesn't have a source and uses the old refrain "I know because I've grown for x years and that's better" then their opinion is equally limited.



You're confusing two different things because growers are sloppy with language (pistils are actually stigmas, a pistil is the ova/stigma/style, calyx's are actually called bracts as the calyx is a thin multi cellular layer on the embryo, etc). The idea of flushing minerals out of a plant to improve the quality is a questionable theory, the science of flushing the grow medium to prevent salt build up/nute lock out is proven and basic chemistry. When using mineral salt/synthetic nutes they will slowly accumulate in the soil and if not washed out regularly will build to the point where they start binding to other minerals and form precipitate that's unavailable to the plants to absorb. Since they are water soluble, they can easily be washed out of soilless mediums which have fairly low CEC's and don't hold ions tightly. Again, anyone disputing that doesn't understand what their talking about which is sadly common with the weed bros.



If you're using a professional grow medium it'll be buffered to keep the pH stable and in the ideal range. If you're using a simple, quality fertilizer, mixing it properly and pH'ing properly you don't need to test the soil pH; it won't be your limiting factor so fixating on it will only get in the way. If you really want to test your soil pH then look up how to do a soil slurry test, it's as simple as diluting a measured volume of soil in neutral distilled water, letting it sit and then filtering out the solids before using a pH meter. Again, not something I'd worry about, focus on the macro until you work your way down to the micro details like measuring soil pH.



Purple stems are almost always a deficiency outside of some very isolated and mostly landrace cultivars. It's a common early sign of nutrients issues, again beginners telling other beginners it's "genetic" is more often a case of ignorant people passing on bad info because they don't know any better.



From an economic viewpoint growing doesn't make sense for most people with legalisation driving prices down. If you want a challenging hobby that forces you to learn various branches of science, if you life testing and discovering, if you enjoy problem solving and deducting a problem from limited clues, if you enjoy gardening and want to deepen your knowledge or if you're a connoisseur that wants more then the limited commercial offerings; growing is a great hobby. That or validation from Internet strangers that don't realise how naive it is to think you can judge a bud from a pic. That's as absurd as thinking you could pick a wife/husband from a pic without knowing anything else...
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great post
 
Coldnasty

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hotrodharley said:
Saves nutes and starves the plants. We’ve pulled blind taste tests on “experts” for years. Oh yeah they can definitely tell the organic grown. And whether it’s been flushed too. Total BS. And if flushing is beneficial to the taste where’s a test showing it? I posted the one showing it doesn’t help and the one clown gets on challenging it but can’t prove squat.
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