We are doctors and there is absolutely nothing to worry about...

NLXSK1

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"The Texas Department of State Health Services says in a statement that a health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where patient Thomas Eric Duncan died of Ebola last week, tested positive for the virus, according to a preliminary test. "


No, really... The government and the medical field want you to know that this is a completely safe disease that does not spread by casual contact. Well, yes, our doctors using the best sterilization and isolation technologies are catching the disease but IT IS NOT AIRBORNE...

Well, thank god for all of that. These actions my government is taking and the fact that supposedly knowledgable medical people are coming down with Ebola despite all the times we have been told there is nothing to worry about...


Dont you feel safe too?? I mean... Obama would never lie to us... Right??
 

BarnBuster

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Well, yes, our doctors using the best sterilization and isolation technologies are catching the disease
well maybe not.....

A HEALTHCARE WORKER who treated a man who died from Ebola in a Dallas hospital has contracted the virus, doctors say.

The identity and position of the worker has not been revealed, but it has been confirmed that they had been part of the team who treated a man who died from the virus.

Thomas Eric Duncan became the first man to die from the virus in the US on Wednesday.

“We knew a second case could be a reality, and we’ve been preparing for this possibility,” said Dr David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services.

“”We are broadening our team in Dallas and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread.”

The health care worker reported a low grade fever Friday night and was isolated and referred for testing, Texas health services said in a statement. It did not further identify the worker nor detail how exposure to the virus occurred.

The statement added: “Health officials have interviewed the patient and are identifying any contacts or potential exposures. People who had contact with the health care worker after symptoms emerged will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus.”
 

BarnBuster

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Most assume that Black Death quickly ravaged the fourteenth century western world was a bacterial bubonic plague epidemic caused by flea bites and spread by rats. But the Black Death killed a high proportion of Scandinavians -- and where they lived was too cold for fleas to survive. A modern work gives us a clue into this mystery. The “Biology of Plagues” published by Cambridge University Press analyzed 2,500 years of plagues and concluded that the Black Death was caused by a viral hemorrhagic fever pandemic similar to Ebola. If this view is correct, the future medical and economic impacts from Ebola have been vastly underestimated.

Authors Dr. Susan Scott, a demographer, and Dr. Christopher J. Duncan, a zoologist at the University of Liverpool point out that the Bible used the term “plague” to describe a catchall of afflictions resulting from divine displeasure. The researchers analyzed the “Four Ages of Plague”, including “Plague of Athens” from 430 to 427 BC that killed about a third of the city; “Plague of Justinian” from 542 to 592 AD and killed 10,000 a day in Constantinople; Black Plague from 1337 to 1340 AD that killed a third of Eurasia; and a series of plague outbreaks in Europe from 1350 to 1670 that killed about half a number of city populations.

Historical records of the Athenian plague paint a very similar picture to the Black Death and the accelerating Ebola pandemic. Like Ebola, the plague is believed to have originated in Africa and then travelled northward.

Athenians suffered a sudden onset of severe headache, inflamed eyes, and bleeding in their mouths and throats. The next symptoms were coughing, sneezing, and chest pains; followed by stomach cramps, intensive vomiting and diarrhea, and unquenchable thirst. With flushed skin burning from fever and open sores, 50 to 90 percent died in the second week of symptoms. Desperate to cool off, contagious victims may have transmitted the disease to other humans by jumping into public cisterns and watering troughs.

Th bubonic plague was first recorded in China about 37 AD and still is a worldwide public health problem, with thousands of cases each year. The most recent outbreak occured in the Chinese city of Yumen on July 22, 2014, where a man died after handling a dead marmot. The Chinese military responded by quarantining 30,000 local residents.

The first symptom of bubonic plague is a mild and non-alarming fever. But bubonic swellings follow within a few days. Sufferers either go into a deep coma or become violently delirious, paranoid and suicidal. Most victims die within a few days. Recovery is almost certain for those whose “buboes”, sores lymph glands, fill with pus. But before antibiotics, the appearance of black blisters was considered a sign of imminent death.

Bubonic plague is very seldom spread from person to person. The disease needs a rodent population, usually rats, to carry fleas to spread the infection to humans. Once the local rats die out from the infection, human infections tend to tail off.

For the 2011 book, “The Black Death in London”, author Barney Sloane, an archaeologist who worked on medieval sites for the Museum of London and is now attached to English Heritage, documents the 1348-49 epidemic that killed two thirds of the city could not have been bubonic plague, because “The evidence just isn't there to support it.”

“We ought to be finding great heaps of dead rats in all the waterfront sites but they just aren't there. And all the evidence I've looked at suggests the plague spread too fast for the traditional explanation of transmission by rats and fleas. It has to be person to person – there just isn't time for the rats to be spreading it.”

The World Bank just estimated the cost of Ebola in West Africa is $32 billion over the next two years as it spreads from Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone to its larger neighbors. This estimate assumes that the Ebola hemorrhagic fever can only be transmitted by direct human to human contact with bodily fluids.

But The United States Center for Disease Control (CDC) in June 30, 1995 published guidelines (44(25);475-479) for managing patients with suspected viral hemorrhagic fever, including “Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever” to prevent hospital acquired “nosocomial transmission”. According to the CDC:

“Epidemiologic studies of VHF in humans indicate that infection is not readily transmitted from person to person by the airborne route.” Although airborne transmission “is considered a possibility only in rare instances from persons with advanced stages of disease (e.g., one patient with Lassa fever who had extensive pulmonary involvement may have transmitted infection by the airborne route). In contrast, investigation of VHF in nonhuman primates (i.e., monkeys) has suggested possible airborne spread among these species.”

On October 2, 2014, the CDC published Ebola Virus Disease: Transmission, stating: “Ebola is not spread through the air or by water”. The CDC states “Only mammals have shown the ability to become infected with and spread Ebola virus.” They suggest “humans, bats, monkeys, and apes” as transmitters. But this mammal to mammal theory should concern Americans, since 18.6 billion rats are the most populous mammal and six cities with the largest rat populations on earth are in the U.S; including: 1) New York; 2) Boston; 3) Baltimore; 4) Chicago; 5) New Orleans; and 6) Atlanta.

Senator and opthamologist Rand Paul warns that US officials are underestimating the danger posed by Ebola, because, “This could get beyond our control.” The World Health Organization agrees “There is no evidence that the EVD [Ebola] epidemic in West Africa is being brought under control.” The WHO’s current “Ebola count” is 8,033 cases and 3,865 deaths from Guinea, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Congo, Spain and United States. Australia, Germany and Turkey just reported new cases and some authoritarian nations may be suppressing disclosure of Ebola cases.

A pandemic is “an epidemic (a sudden outbreak) that becomes very widespread and affects a whole region, a continent, or the world due to a susceptible population.” True pandemics cause a high degree of mortality”, like the Black Death and Ebola outbreak.

The probable logic behind President Obama not closing U.S. airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries is that with the death of first U.S. Ebola patient and numerous cities reporting potential cases, the U.S. risks becoming an “Ebola-ravaged” nation.
 

NLXSK1

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I'm more worried by people panicking about Ebola than I am about Ebola itself
I am not worried about Ebola or people panicking.

Every science horror story begins with arrogance. The arrogance of the scientists or medical people who thought they could control something and it just *got away*. There are lots of examples of this in real life, one of the ones that comes to mind is the number of scientists that died during the Manhattan project due to radiation exposure.

I am worried that the political left is in love with the romance of saving the world and winning the war against Ebola while ignoring common sense and safety and allowing our airports and borders to be open. I wonder in that hospital worker was able to go home and be with his family and friends while he was not showing signs of Ebola. I am worried that despite repeated assurances, even doctors are coming down with the disease from limited contact from less than a handful of cases in the USA.

Was just watching an episode of Cosmos. What won the conquest of South America for the Spanish was the diseases they brought with them. Those diseases killed 9 out of 10 South Americans and devastated the region.

Just because we have superior medical care does not mean that it cannot be easily overrun by a mass outbreak of something. This is not new, as is show above it has happened before and will happen again. Hopefully we as Americans are not too stupid to pay for it unecessarily...
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
When did you ever think we were safe from disease? You blame Obama for your Zits and everything else.

Do you think the Nanny State can protect you? You are all mixed up.

Spanish Flu killed 5% of the earth's humans. It killed mostly the 20-30 year old breeders.

Obama fault.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
You are more worried about the political aspects than the reality.

We are not moving fast enough to protect America because the elections are coming up. Yes, that is OBAMA's fault...
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
You are more worried about the political aspects than the reality.

We are not moving fast enough to protect America because the elections are coming up. Yes, that is OBAMA's fault...
You are full of shit if you think there is anything we can do.

Texas let that guy die by a simply administrative foul up, to send him home to fester and vector. Liberia issued a warrant for him for knowingly having contact with an Ebola death and not reporting that.

BUT HE DID NOT. They only found out she had Ebola after he left. He never knew that. So even that warrant was a foul up.

That is our only risk here and it is a big one. Moving "faster" just increases the risk of foul up of doom. Don't you watch Zombie movies?

It is always the local, not National response that fouls it up.

BTW, I am not political, nor do I take sides.

I simply regulate the chumps here on RIU. How are your Zits? That's Obama's fault.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
"The Texas Department of State Health Services says in a statement that a health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where patient Thomas Eric Duncan died of Ebola last week, tested positive for the virus, according to a preliminary test. "


No, really... The government and the medical field want you to know that this is a completely safe disease that does not spread by casual contact. Well, yes, our doctors using the best sterilization and isolation technologies are catching the disease but IT IS NOT AIRBORNE...

Well, thank god for all of that. These actions my government is taking and the fact that supposedly knowledgable medical people are coming down with Ebola despite all the times we have been told there is nothing to worry about...


Dont you feel safe too?? I mean... Obama would never lie to us... Right??
We now have the first Ebola Viral transmission in the USA now. CDC said this could not happen.
Don't forget that the Nurse that looked after Thomas was wearing FULL PROTECTIVE GEAR AT ALL TIMES. They are lying about the transmission methods.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
When did you ever think we were safe from disease? You blame Obama for your Zits and everything else.

Do you think the Nanny State can protect you? You are all mixed up.

Spanish Flu killed 5% of the earth's humans. It killed mostly the 20-30 year old breeders.

Obama fault.
Cuba sent Doctors into Liberia, we sent troops.

Can we blame Obama for that? We send med pros to the middle east by the hundreds every 6 months, we send troops by the hundreds to a disease torn area. Make sense to anyone who is not a fervent nut swinger?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
If the health workers, first responders are not protected 100%, we are all doomed.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
ummmmmmmmmmmm..what, praytell is infectious as breathable?..the same thing as airborne? time to get out the plastic and roll of duct tape you've been bogarting since '03..:lol:

Transmission
Human-to-human transmission occurs only via direct contact with blood or body fluid from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead body), or by contact with objects contaminated by the virus, particularly needles and syringes.[21][22] Other body fluids that may transmit ebolaviruses include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen. Entry points include the nose, mouth, eyes, or open wounds, cuts and abrasions.[23] Transmission from other animals to humans occurs only via contact with, or consumption of, an infected mammal, such as a fruit bat, or ape. The potential for widespread EVD infections in countries with medical systems capable of observing the correct medical isolation procedures where needed is considered low as the disease is only spread by direct contact with the secretions from someone who is showing signs of infection.[22] The symptoms limit a person's ability to spread the disease as they are often too sick to travel during the infectious stages of the progression of the disease. As transmission via air is generally ruled out, the possibility of transmission between non-seat-mate airline passengers is also generally ruled out.[24] Because dead bodies are still infectious, traditional burial rituals may spread the disease. Nearly two thirds of the cases of Ebola infections in Guinea during the 2014 outbreak are believed to have been contracted via unprotected (or unsuitably protected) contact with infected corpses during certain "Guinean burial rituals".[25][26] Semen may be infectious in survivors for up to 7 weeks.[1] It is not entirely clear how an outbreak is initially started.[27] The initial infection is believed to occur after an ebolavirus is transmitted to a human by contact with an infected animal's body fluids.

One of the primary reasons for spread is that the health systems in the part of Africa where the disease occurs function poorly.[28] Medical workers who do not wear appropriate protective clothing may contract the disease.[29] Hospital-acquired transmission has occurred in African countries due to the reuse of needles and lack of universal precautions.[30][31] Some healthcare centers caring for people with the disease do not have running water.[32]

Airborne transmission has not been documented during EVD outbreaks.[2] They are, however, infectious as breathable 0.8–1.2 μm laboratory-generated droplets.[3:lol:3] The virus has been shown to travel, without contact, from pigs to primates, although the same study failed to demonstrate similar transmission between non-human primates.[34]

In the wild, transmission may occur when infected fruit bats drop partially eaten fruits or fruit pulp, then land mammals such as gorillas and duikers may feed on these fallen fruits. This chain of events forms a possible indirect means of transmission from the natural host species to other animal species, which has led to research towards viral shedding in the saliva of fruit bats. Fruit production, animal behavior, and other factors vary at different times and places that may trigger outbreaks among animal populations.[35]
 

SmokeyDan

Well-Known Member
There is plenty we can do from a national policy standpoint to reduce the risk.

It isn't being done.

What happened in texas isn't Obama's fault.

But that guy getting to Texas kind of is.
 

natro.hydro

Well-Known Member
We now have the first Ebola Viral transmission in the USA now. CDC said this could not happen.
Don't forget that the Nurse that looked after Thomas was wearing FULL PROTECTIVE GEAR AT ALL TIMES. They are lying about the transmission methods.
Or they lied and said she was not breaking any picedure when she obviously must have, that hospital just doesnt want to look any stupider thsn they already dude for sebding the guy home. What does the cdc stand to gain by misinforming the how you contract ebola? Absolutely nothing... now what does the hospital have to gain to coverthis up? I feel like they would do anything to not let athemaelves seem more incompetent than they already are...
 

Wilksey

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You are full of shit if you think there is anything we can do.
I don't agree with that, dude. There's quite a few courses of action that could be implemented to increase our security from that fooked up disease.

Not INTENTIONALLY bringing infected people onto our HOMELAND would be a good start. Barring flights to and from infected areas and quarantining and screening incoming personnel that could be at risk wouldn't be a bad idea either.

However, we can't even keep 13 year old Mexicans from sneaking into our nation, so....
 
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