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Impman said:

so therefor a scrog is a useless gimic according to this logic

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..lol. i'd put money on a side-by-side scrog grow out performing this logic any day.

I don't think orca would be as benificial as a hood material..it doesn't reflect,it disperses light,making it even and no hot points..I could be wrong but i d think you'd need a direct reflection downward..now,hanging a bare bulb in the center of a room coated with orca..that would be the shit..I'm glad I got orca in my room..easy to put up(did it by myelf) and easy to clean..def worth every penny!

ya, the biggest yields (watt per gram ) I have seen or heard of are from vertical lights in a big open area. Like 2 vertical 1000w and 4 T-5 ... then you use panels around like 6 plants. That is how you get the 1g per watt. I will find some links.. Kite HIgh has something similar to what i speak of.

So a SCROG theory is that of total yield where as I am speaking from a per plant perspective. Like each plant is equal in the eyes of the lord thy god... You are going for Oz per plant.
Ya, there are actual no GOOD reflective hoods... that is why I think suspending the lights vertical and having the reflective walls/panels is ideal

Obviously speaking from a $ per watt perspective too.... of course you could always SCROG like this
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=disney+hydroponic+pics&id=A0BE92EDBE49F27437FD227C9FDBE41E9E3EC046&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=A0BE92EDBE49F27437FD227C9FDBE41E9E3EC046&selectedIndex=0

but who can afford the electricity? It bugs me that growers steal power... because I can't mostly lol...also because that is stealing ...I have one of those smart meters.... it knows all.

damn that kid bugs ... ad hominem attacking little shit. back to the ignore list with you... kid needs to get potty trained

Impman said:

damn that kid bugs ... ad hominem attacking little shit. back to the ignore list with you... kid needs to get potty trained

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i was being a dick no need for that.

V-SOGs and V-ScrOGs are kind of the yield champs for g/W but they typically use a lot more floor space than horizontally lit configurations.
Heath Robinson's 2g/W (bear in mind he used high yielding commercial strains to boost the numbers) with a 600W used a 6x9 area. I could run 4 3x3 flood tables under 600s and pull g/W yields with each light andstill get 2x the dried bud.
I have a buddy who has a 1kW V-ScrOG with a lazy susan that fits in a 5x7 area and kills it for yield. But he's about to tear it down and start over bc its dialed in and he likes to tinker.

Id never steal electricity,and it would be SOOOOOO easy at my garden..for one I got a great electrician,and 2,the main line into the meter has a cutoff switch BEFORE the meter!! A retarded chimp like me could do it easy...but,that's bad mojo,plus a lot more trouble if I were to ever get caught..I make enuf $,ill pay my overhead..lol

I did not know someone pulled off 2 gs a watt... that is the final word on growing then, as long as the veg time was reasonable 4 week or so

i think a better way than gpw to evaluate how well someone did on their grow is to try and grow herb at the lowest cost. this would take into account multiple factors of the op and shows how efficient your grow is as opposed to a simple gram per watt calculation (which leaves out many desirable variables). of-course losing quality in an attempt to lower costs would decrease the efficiency of your op so that would be pointless when looking at it this way.

it really isn't all that difficult to calculate the cost of your op. for instance: during veg i'm shelling out $79.56801/month on electricity and $87.94359/month during flower. you could also account for the amt. of soil/nutes you use etc. to come up with a near-perfect cost estimate.

if i were to pull a pound off 2 months veg 2 months flower it'd cost me around 38 cents per gram - holy shit i did not realize growing was that cheap...if i were selling my tree i could cover the start-up costs with my first harvest and have bud left over, then i'd be growing tree for 35-40 cents a gram? daaaaamn...i'm liking this..

Ahh there is allways overhead..plus if you're running both a veg and bloom..plus travel..unforseen shit like a bunk ballast..its not so much the money as the rewarding feeling I get when I see the smile I put on someones face with the bud I grew..allways good times!!
I'm not a big fan of money..I just want to be able to walk in the store and not have to look at the price tags.

rory420420 said:

Ahh there is allways overhead..plus if you're running both a veg and bloom..plus travel..unforseen shit like a bunk ballast..its not so much the money as the rewarding feeling I get when I see the smile I put on someones face with the bud I grew..allways good times!!
I'm not a big fan of money..I just want to be able to walk in the store and not have to look at the price tags.

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bunk ballasts turn out to be profit for me. i ordered 2 lumatek 400w dimmable digital ballasts off amazon, one shitted out on me after the 3rd time it turned on. i ended up calling amazon after failing to get in contact with hydro galaxy, and the lady assured me i would get my $268 or whatever back in full within the week. but uhhh..that's the total cost of my order! so now i can buy a new ballast and have some pocket change left over. and yes i told her only one didn't work..guess she fucked up lol.

That's like paying for the 2 piece and a biscuit,and getting to the drivethru and getting a family meal with extra gravy!!!

Impman said:

I did not know someone pulled off 2 gs a watt... that is the final word on growing then, as long as the veg time was reasonable 4 week or so

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Heath Robinson's vertical flooded tube. He was using a high yielding strain and something like 86 clones vegged for a week after rooting. Pulled 46oz off a 600W. There are serious issues with the build. It has a footprint that's about 6x9 meaning he's putting out <1oz/sqft of floorspace which is really low. Its also an expensive build. Similar costs could put an op running 4 600s over 3x3 tables potentially yielding 20+oz/cycle each and still have room to move around. God help you if you need to get to a plant in the tube. Also that plant count is totally unreasonable.
The tree machine grows made more sense with plant count limits and still pulled 1.5g/W with Critical Mass. If I was trying to maximize single plant production I'd probably use a system like that.
There's several way to measure grow effeciency. Personally I think g/kWH makes more sense because it factors in veg time and flowering time.
I'd be happy to go into more detaik when I'm not on my phone.

MrEDuck said:

Heath Robinson's vertical flooded tube. He was using a high yielding strain and something like 86 clones vegged for a week after rooting. Pulled 46oz off a 600W. There are serious issues with the build. It has a footprint that's about 6x9 meaning he's putting out <1oz/sqft of floorspace which is really low. Its also an expensive build. Similar costs could put an op running 4 600s over 3x3 tables potentially yielding 20+oz/cycle each and still have room to move around. God help you if you need to get to a plant in the tube. Also that plant count is totally unreasonable.
The tree machine grows made more sense with plant count limits and still pulled 1.5g/W with Critical Mass. If I was trying to maximize single plant production I'd probably use a system like that.
There's several way to measure grow effeciency. Personally I think g/kWH makes more sense because it factors in veg time and flowering time.
I'd be happy to go into more detaik when I'm not on my phone.

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http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/hydro-journals/201356070-doubleds-builds-10lb-plant-test-room-16.html#post622483 - 1.65g/w with 4 plants. just over 33 pounds off 4 plants!! crazy...

Thanks for throwing a link up bro. Its a pain with the phone.
He's a crazy ganjaneer who is truly worthy of his pseudonym. But his systems are often like race cars, capable of amazing performance but temperamental and expensive.
Was he using CO2 in the tree machine grows?

spider mites. Im getting pocket breakouts. I am going to bomb the room. I need a new product, I dnt trust this Doctor Doom anymore. I am thinking of trying the hotshot strips for a try, they are cheap anyways.
The white widow gets stressed from the mites. God damn bugs. Azamax neem oil worked better than doctordoom. i thought i could cntrol them easier

Get a bottle of co2,seal up the room,gass em to death..just be careful.

MrEDuck said:

Thanks for throwing a link up bro. Its a pain with the phone.
He's a crazy ganjaneer who is truly worthy of his pseudonym. But his systems are often like race cars, capable of amazing performance but temperamental and expensive.
Was he using CO2 in the tree machine grows?

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in the grow i linked he was indeed using co2. it's also worth mentioning the cut he grows is a cut he got 25 years ago from his mentor and he has turned down offers upto $25,000. supposedly he promised his mentor he would never pass the cut around and stayed true to his word. i'm not really sure how he moves so much weight of the same strain on a consistent basis like that though...i can't find in that thread how long he vegged for. do you know by chance?

I don't recall how long the tree grows vegged for. I think it was like 6-8 weeks. Its a system that works really well for people looking to really produce from minimal plant counts.

MrEDuck said:

I don't recall how long the tree grows vegged for. I think it was like 6-8 weeks. Its a system that works really well for people looking to really produce from minimal plant counts.

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well if we ever make it to colorado i am using his systems for sure! don't really want to go the whole vertical route but i don't think that's a necessity for the big yields he's pulling.