Wecome to the jungle

LMAO its slang from when i iived on the east coast lol dumb frosty is like very frosty or extremely frosty

Green Cross said:

dumb frosty? more like bomb frosty lol ]

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warisnottheanswer said:

LMAO its slang from when i iived on the east coast lol dumb frosty is like very frosty or extremely frosty

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LOL I figured, but thanks for explaining...

One of my BMS clones rooted over the weekend so I transplanted her into her new home. The other one didn't look so good, so I tossed her; I only needed 1 to continue the BMS #3 line.

It's good to know cuttings can be kept in the fridge for several weeks before cloning.

I'll be rooting the BMS purple pheno - from the fridge - next. The cuttings have been in stasis for over a month.

It looks like Illinois may not pass Medical MJ law this year

I believe they have to pass it in Nov, or it won't get passed at all, and if it doesn't I may start growing 5 (or less) plants, just to reduce my risk. Currently 5 or less is a misdemeanor, more than 5 is a felony

Oct. 22, 2009 at 11:11 pm
How the medical marijuana debate is lighting up in Illinois

By Sourav Bhowmick
Don’t book that flight from Chicago to Amsterdam this winter just yet; medical marijuana may be on its way. Illinois, in a joint effort with the Obama administration, could very well be the next state to hash out a plan to legalize medicinal cannabis. Recent legislation and a new federal stance on the drug have made possible a whole new way of healing.

The United States Justice Department announced last week that they will stop prosecuting those who use marijuana for medicinal purposes, as long as the users comply with local laws. In a sharp departure from the Bush administration’s stance on marijuana, United States Attorney General Eric Holder said, “It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana.”

Although medical marijuana isn’t yet legalized in Illinois, legislation in the Illinois State Senate regarding the issue has passed. SB 1381, The Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act, passed through the upper house of the Illinois legislature last May. But it wasn’t easy.

According to the bill, a patient with a debilitating medical condition, as diagnosed by a physician, can be issued a registry identification card by the Department of Public Health which would allow them to have no more than seven dried cannabis plants and two ounces of dried usable cannabis. After a roll call vote that followed nearly an hour of debate in the Senate, it was reported that the gallery erupted in applause when the bill passed by a narrow 30-28-1 margin.
The Senate may have lit up with elation, but the Illinois House of Representatives hasn’t been as vocal. Representative Lou Lang, a Democrat from Skokie who is sponsoring the bill in the House, said in an interview that, “If every legislator who told me we should pass this bill actually voted for it, we’d pass it tomorrow [...] but we have too many legislators who don’t have the courage of their convictions.”

Essentially, many of the legislators who compose the heavily liberal-leaning House have privately stated that they want to legalize medicinal marijuana, but they are afraid to state the same in public.
In a state where 68 percent of people support legalizing medical marijuana and both the governor and his Democratic primary opponent are in favor of such a bill, it’s puzzling that the state legislature hasn’t been as supportive. Marijuana seems financially lucrative as well, as demonstrated by California, whose medical marijuana industry raked in $2 billion a year from sales and $100 million in taxes. Despite these reasons, though, support for legalization is far from uniform.
Some law enforcement and medical groups are wary of the new bill. The Illinois State Medical Society, for example, is concerned about the side effects of using marijuana medicinally, and so they want to see more research done before supporting such a law. Law enforcement agencies, understandably, are concerned that increased illegal drug trafficking is an almost inevitable component to any new legalization efforts.
Of course, the overarching reason behind the House’s inertia is purely political. Because the primary elections are coming up in February, don’t expect any work to be done on this bill until after winter; many politicians don’t want such a controversial piece of legislation to be a central theme in their primary races. Primaries are especially crucial in the Chicago area, where the seeming inevitability of a Democratic win means the primary is the race that actually matters.
If the bill does pass through the House, Mary Jane won’t be waiting on you hand and foot. Strict laws will be enforced that mimic Colorado’s system of obtaining permits in order to access medical marijuana. It’s important to note, however, that only 47 out the 13,102 Colorado citizens who applied for identification cards to buy or grow marijuana for medicinal use were denied or had their permits revoked. The bill also has a sunset law, a powerful legal check that will force legislators to reconsider the law in three years, in case its use gets out of hand.
While we may have to wait until after the primary elections, Illinois seems close to becoming the 14th state to legalize medical marijuana. So those of you with chronic illnesses that are in dire need of this new bill, you might just be in luck. The rest of you who might have a slightly different definition of “chronic illness,” your luck is probably going to get better, too.

really? how?

Green Cross said:

It's good to know cuttings can be kept in the fridge for several weeks before cloning.

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warisnottheanswer said:

really? how?

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Sorry to take so long to get back to you war, I've been super busy with personal shit.

This pic is from Oct 13th or thereabouts, feel free to bump up the discussion if you like.

I still have 4 cuttings in the fridge, and that reminds me, I better change the watter in there.



I should probably try to clone the purple pheno (cuttings shown here) this week before the cuttings get too old.

Green Cross said:

Sorry to take so long to get back to you war, I've been super busy with personal shit.

This pic is from Oct 13th or thereabouts, feel free to bump up the discussion if you like.

I still have 4 cuttings in the fridge, and that reminds me, I better change the watter in there.

I should probably try to clone the purple pheno (cuttings shown here) this week before the cuttings get too old.

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very good info,cause i do not have room for a mother plant,you think 4-6 weeks whould be good +rep

genuity said:

very good info,cause i do not have room for a mother plant,you think 4-6 weeks whould be good +rep

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Hi Gen,

6 weeks no problem - I took the cuttings in the beginning of Oct, and they still look good.

I just checked the remaining cuttings and they still look good, except for a few lower leaves that were just beginning to look like rotten lettuce does when it gets old.

So I just removed the bad leaves, and changed the water again. As long as the stems don't rot I think they should root.

We'll know for sure in about 2 weeks

I'm going to past in the old old thread, so everyone can get up to speed.

10-05-2009, 10:28 AM
Green Cross
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I promissed someone I'd document the technique for keeping clones in the fridge. It's not my inventoin, and instructions can be found here

"Clones in Stasis
Cuttings in bagKeeping your clones in stasis by using your fridge is a handy way to both store them for future use or keep backups should there be some failure with your original cuttings. I have personally kept cuttings up to eight weeks using this method.

Simply put:
1) Take cuttings as you normally would, but with the one addition of leaving a longer stem, as you will be trimming this down further by at least half an inch when it is time to root them.

put in with Grey Poupon2) Place cuttings in a Ziploc bag (Tupperware can be used also.)There should be enough water in the bottom of the bag so that the stems are submerged. RO or good quality tap water should be fine. An inch or two should be in the bottom of the bag, keeping the stems wet.

Breathe some air into the bag, mainly so as not to crush the leaves and provide some cushion as they may get bumped about in the crisper drawer.

**Another variation on this is to simply put the cuttings in a water glass or jar (an ice cream bucket works well too -> basically, wide and shallow containers) and have them sit on the shelf in the fridge (stems also in water). This may or may not be convenient or stealthy for you.

3) I would recommend that you replace the air and water in the bag once a week. I have typically not bothered to replace the air or water at all for up to four weeks, but I continually come across this information and it seems like it cant hurt.

4) When you decide it is time to use your cuttings, remove them from the fridge and let them sit with their stems in a glass of water for half an hour or so to warm up as you prepare your cloning materials.

5) Cut half an inch or more off the stem to make a fresh end that you will dip in your favorite rooting hormome or rooting medium. I have found that fridge clones, if let to sit longer than a few weeks, will take longer to root.

This is fine for most since many are buying time with this method anyway. Clones older than 2 weeks will usually begin to root in 10 days and are mostly established by 14 days.

*Be sure that your fridge does not have a tendency to freeze your food. It should be stable. If your clones freeze, they will die. Happy Cloning. "

I'm thinking about re-cloning some clones some time in the future, to "bide time".

1. Take cuttings.

2. let them grow to the desired height, or when your clone box starts to get too crowded.

3. Chop the desired clones.

4. Refrigerate up to 2 months.

5. Re-root them.

Why waste so much energy keeping mothers, when you have a steady supply of cuttings in your crisper drawer?

I decided to use tupperware (type) containers, and some styrofoam, to keep the leaves out of the water and the stems in the water.

I'll try rooting these 2 my 2 in 1 - 4 week intervals. I'll be changing the water every 1 - 2 weeks - so it doesn't get slimy. You can keep lettuce fresh the same way by the way.

Replacing the air isn't necessary in my opinion, because these clones aren't transpiring, but changing the water is crucial. You may also want to experiment, by adding a couple drops of hydrogen peroxide to the water - may help keep it fresh?

Make sure you're refrigerator doesn't get below freezing, especially this time of year when the weather cools off. It's worth buying an accurate thermometer - to check the temp - if you don't already have one.
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Big update today with lots of pics

Wouldn't you know it... my fridge went on the blink and the 3 (purple pheno) cuttings I had in there suffered... the good news is one looks a little better than the other 2, so I'm hopeful she'll still throw some roots. They went into the clone cab over the weekend, so we'll see in a couple more weeks.

The #3 pheno (clone) is doing alright, but I have the temps way down, so she looks kind of sick. Nothing to see there.

3 are getting close to finished, so it's dilute EG catalyst, and then plain water, from here out. There's plenty of residual fertilizer in the soil to feed them for the next few weeks.

The Earth grow catalyst vs molasses results are impressive to say the least. I'll post those pics shortly

I spotted some male flowers on the BMS that's @ 7+ weeks. Probably a result of some super cropping in flower, ir normal stress in late flower. I removed the affected buds, and hope to put the pollen (female) to good use, by creating some feminized seed on a couple select branches. I have pics of the naners, and plan to document the breeding process later on.

This Indica #1 received molasses and bloom nutes only


Indica #2 received EG Catalyst (with also contains some molasses), plus bloom nutes.
The buds are noticeably bigger, so I'm a believer in a 3 part feeding regimen, over regular molasses.


Along with the 2 DD indica (above), this BMS is getting close to peak production.
This is also the plant throwing male flowers. Only a dozen or so, on 7 smaller buds, so it's manageable.


Same plant - see the naners yet? Not likely


Here you can see a couple male flowers popping






Here's a BMS @ 5 weeks


Same plant w/flash


Gigabud


BMS (hermi)


DD Indica


group shots: BMS left and in back, and DD indica in front


Right canopy



That's all for now folks

All comments welcome

sweet thanks GC for sharing your grow

Any report on the quality or qty of HPS vs CMH. Thanks

bms lookin sexy in the shower, pics soon?

look's real good,them UI's look's super nice

mmmm.. how much longer til she's ready

very nice setup man and best of luck to you and your brother. I know it doesnt count very much or at all but +rep for some beautiful girls and for looking after your bro.

Man I've been slacking

newbieneedshelp said:

Any report on the quality or qty of HPS vs CMH. Thanks

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So far I see little difference, other than CMH produced more resin, and better colors, but I suspect the buds are going to be denser. We won't know until I can confirm the dry weight...

robert 14617 said:

sweet thanks GC for sharing your grow

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Glad to share! Thanks for stopping by

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

bms lookin sexy in the shower, pics soon?

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I have some #3 BMS pheno pics coming up in a moment.

genuity said:

look's real good,them UI's look's super nice

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She is a nice strain. Kinda earthy, but really nice bud formation, and she stays nice and short. A true hash plant. I still have a bunch of seeds from this strain, but they're getting old, and I'm not sure if I'll get a chance to sprout them... next in line is Greenhouse's K-train

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

mmmm.. how much longer til she's ready

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Probably 3 - 4 more weeks on the first 3, and 6 - 7 weeks on the rest... I like 'em ripe. Then I'll probably close this journal and start a new one for the kush-train grow.

caseyg2007 said:

very nice setup man and best of luck to you and your brother. I know it doesnt count very much or at all but +rep for some beautiful girls and for looking after your bro.

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Thanks for the kind words casey

Here a couple shots of the #3 BMS Pheno. She's stockier than the purple pheno and has fatter buds, and tighter colas




Thanks for all the nice comments

She is a nice strain. Kinda earthy, but really nice bud formation, and she stays nice and short. A true hash plant. I still have a bunch of seeds from this strain, but they're getting old, and I'm not sure if I'll get a chance to sprout them... next in line is Greenhouse's K-train

tie'em to 4 ballons,and a 4 oz split shot,wait for a good 20-30 per mile wind gust,and let them go

thanx for explainin my dude! them buds look grrrrrrreat!

wowoweee zooowwoowwweeee .... looking very sweeet. And for me, instructional .... many thanks! most appreciated!

tahoe58 said:

wowoweee zooowwoowwweeee .... looking very sweeet. And for me, instructional .... many thanks! most appreciated!

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Thanks tahoe. I'm still learning too! I noticed these on in the last grow (but on the unknown indica), but they never seemed to open up, and release any pollen, so I left them on the vine. While curing the last crop, I found a dozen seeds (half of those were immature), but still not sure who the daddy is.

I checked these nanners after drying them for a few days, and as far as I could tell - looking through a microscope - they were shooting blanks, or maybe I picked them too soon?

The sativa I've been trying to reveg isn't looking so good, and I found some mold attacking the stem - due to the cool temps and high humidity. If she doesn't make it; I want to run some SLH anyhow. NYC diesel is another must grow, or a cross of jack herer X NYCD - Ive been looking at.

The BMS (purple pheno) clones are still kicking, so at least one should pull through. This pheno was more receptive to cloning than some of the others, and has longer, thinner, sativa looking buds. I can't wait to do a smoke comparison on the 2 surviving BMS phenos!

In the flower room: Growth seems to have halted - on all but a few tops - and water usage has dropped-off significantly. Hopefully ripening will be completed in a few (5) more weeks.

I don't want to sprout the k-train seeds too soon, and run out of space again, so I'll probably wait another 2 - 3 weeks....
The plan is to seedling stage k-train in 16 oz cups, for 3 weeks (in the small cab), and then move them into 3 gal containers, and continue vegging them under CMH for an additional 3 weeks, before flowering them.

I'll have some new picks next time

Looking good GC, love the informative threads! From what I could see on the super cropped branches I had there on a couple of the dead ladies, I've not found any nanners, But will definitely have to keep looking.... They seem rather SMALL!

Twils said:

Looking good GC, love the informative threads! From what I could see on the super cropped branches I had there on a couple of the dead ladies, I've not found any nanners, But will definitely have to keep looking.... They seem rather SMALL!

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Hey twils, small male flowers? They are smaller than normal male flower clusters. That's why I wasn't sure what they were the first time; they never opened, but rather died up and looked like a piece of rice in the bud. I'll see if I can find a pic from the last grow.

Here's one - from the last grow - at 12 o'clock just above center.



At first I thought it might be the super-cropping, but I think the stress is just normal late flowering stress.

I've also noticed a lot more leaf droopiness this time (looks like wilting). I attribute that to the EG Catalyst causing an over-fertilization condition, but not sure...

Here are a couple fresh pics of the BMS purple pheno's
They're leaning up against the wall, because they can't hold the buds up anymore - time to start staking them up


Here's the second BMS (PP)




5 - 6 more weeks to go here I think


Here you can see how purple the stems are - very sweet smelling too


Same buds from the top


My camera doesn't do this justice


Also if you remember: I had left one I left in flower, from the last grow, hoping she would push some male flowers, but as far as I'm concerned this puts another urban myth to rest. I finally harvested what's left of her, to go into the hash pile.

I think that covers everything