Well Here Goes

I put in a different light in my work area just outside my grow room. The plants are doing good. Just waiting for the growth to take off as they suck up the N from the Fish Emulsion.
Daniels

I fed the girls (except #6 she's on only water still) tonight 1 hr. before lights out. I mixed a 50% str. (1 tbsp./gal) of Fish Emulsion 5-1-1 and a 25% str. (1 tsp/gal) of Alaska Morbloom 0-10-10.
I've been misting them with a weak F.E. spray to get the N moving once a day. Seems to be working. The colors are improving. #6 has been in the ICU for the last week. Just can't get a root system going. I'll just have to keep waiting. The C#5 for my caregiver I've been working on is taking off. The other one (C#3) is just now getting some new growth. I've moved #9 & #10 with the 5 under the MH. It will be funny what I do with them while the Main 6 flower. I'll do some LST'ing, and some other pruning to experiment. #7 & #8 are still in ICU.
For the Main 5 I'm thinking of some misting with the mix (from tonight) to folar feed them a few times in the next couple days. I'm gonna keep at it till I see some signs of nute burn. Any comments on using folar feeding w/ the F.E & Morbloom in combination till I get the growth and color better?

How's this for a soil mix? I mixed it today for the next transplanting, which will be into 4 gal. pots.

2 c. ft. Potting Soil
1 c. ft. Perlite
8 qt. Vermiculite
1 cup Blood Meal
.5 cup Bone Meal
1 cup Dolomite Lime
.5 cup Epsom Salt

Am I missing anything? Is that enough Blood & Bone Meal?
Other stuff I've been working on. I added a fan. I'm trying to get the temps in line better. I mounted it to move air out of the room. I aimed it at the door, and used a cord retractor to hold the door partially open to get it flowing where I wanted it. Seemed to drop temps 3 to 5.
Here's some more pics of top views also.
How much longer should I wait to top them above the 2nd node? I thinking a couple to a few more days still. #'s 2,4,5 look like they're getting close to me.
Daniels

Danielsgb said:

How's this for a soil mix? I mixed it today for the next transplanting, which will be into 4 gal. pots.

2 c. ft. Potting Soil
1 c. ft. Perlite
8 qt. Vermiculite
1 cup Blood Meal
.5 cup Bone Meal
1 cup Dolomite Lime
.5 cup Epsom Salt

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I'd eliminate the epsom salts and half the dolomite and add about 1 cu. ft of peat moss and/or compost.

They are chlorotic and stunted. I would fertilize with nothing more than a Miracid 30-10-10 which will give them the N and Fe they need. Use at a rate of no more than 1 tsp./gal.

Good luck,
UB

Agree with UB on this one

Once again, Thanks UB
I got Miracid to feed them today. Miracle-Gro re-named it"Azalea Camellia Rhododendron Plant Food" I guess the"acid" in Miracid made them change it. I've used it on shrubs before. So the lack of Fe was also a problem, huh. I knew the N was off.
I'll mix up some and give it to them.
On the Soil Mix, I already mixed what I had listed. I'll add 1 c.ft. Peat Moss, 1 more c.ft. Potting Soil, and 8oz. more Perlite. Does that sound better? It'll weaken the dolomite. Epsom Salt is already in there, so oops. Should I add .5 c blood meal and .25 c bone meal? I was thinking of the alfalfa meal you mention in the mix you make. Is it worth the $/work for such a small amount of soil.
I'll get another post up about my visit to the local (& only as far as I know) grow shop. It will be something you will shake your head about. Again Thx.
Daniels

The Hippie Gardener and I go to "One World" the local grow store. I wanted some 1" neoprine for my aero-cloner which they didn't have. No big deal, as I don't need it for a few weeks. I wanted to see the "cannabis" miracle nutrients. The AN thread I read made me care to see what they had, and it's prices. While reading the contents of a $86/gal nute I hear the Hippie Gardener say "This plants is covered in aphids." She was looking at demo houseplants under HID lighting. A few minutes later I'm looking at a $36/qt jar of "miracle/secret ingredient" bloom nute. I hear her calling "oh my god this one is covered in spider mites." I went to look and it made me want to BURN the fucking place down. How could you not notice or not care about that. If some dumbass walks by, touched them, then goes to handle ANYTHING it is polluted. It didn't have a few. That plant was COVERED in mites. Needless to say I will never walk in there again. Can you believe that?
Daniels

Eww that's nasty

Danielsgb said:

Once again, Thanks UB
I got Miracid to feed them today. Miracle-Gro re-named it"Azalea Camellia Rhododendron Plant Food" I guess the"acid" in Miracid made them change it. I've used it on shrubs before. So the lack of Fe was also a problem, huh. I knew the N was off.
I'll mix up some and give it to them.
On the Soil Mix, I already mixed what I had listed. I'll add 1 c.ft. Peat Moss, 1 more c.ft. Potting Soil, and 8oz. more Perlite. Does that sound better? It'll weaken the dolomite. Epsom Salt is already in there, so oops. Should I add .5 c blood meal and .25 c bone meal? I was thinking of the alfalfa meal you mention in the mix you make. Is it worth the $/work for such a small amount of soil.
I'll get another post up about my visit to the local (& only as far as I know) grow shop. It will be something you will shake your head about. Again Thx.
Daniels

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Potting soils differ. You need a soil analysis, should cost $15 for a full proile from your local ag extension service.

I'll get the mix modified, then get the soil tested. Then I'll compare to Mel Franks book. Guess it's time to go to the bible. Should I take the soil to that grow shop "One World" for testing? Would a Haz-Mat suit make it safe? Maybe BM from AN has a $150 analysis service specifically for cannabis.
Daniels

Here's an update. The Miracid seems to be doing the trick. All 5 are doing good. #10 has grown so much it's catching up with the other 5. #8 and #9 are taking off too. My caregiver's 2 are getting fed and are coming along. C#5 is really happy. I'm going to transplant mine in a few days. I need to get my soil tested Mon. then I'll move them up into a bigger pot. I added to the soil, and stirred it up good. It smells right, and feels right, so I'll see what the lab says.
#2,#3, and #4 are looking to get topped soon. I'm thinking after I transplant them. A couple days to recover then a hair cut. Any views on that? #1 also looks ready. #5 has a weird branching, like alternating after the 3rd and 4th nodes. So I'm thinking of leaving it alone. Maybe LST for another lesson in horticulture. In four to six days I'm thinking should get them there.
I replanted #6 in the new soil last night. It had no roots at all. The stem had no rot (damping-off Thx Riddle-Me for the exact botanical terms), so I'll have to wait and see if it can get going in the ICU. #7 is creeping on.
Should I go back to the feeding I was doing or another dose of Miracid? I'm thinking they have one more before the transplant. My instinct is to go back to the others. I think my soil was off and I waited way too long to add more than N from the fish emulsion.
Daniels

I would stay with the miracid till they get healthy before doing anthing else

riddleme said:

I would stay with the miracid till they get healthy before doing anthing else

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Agree, and some are in pots that are way to big for their size.

Pots should also be taller.

Happy it's working out. The 30-10-10 will retore vigor, color and reverse the chlorosis, all else being equal and balanced. IOW, if the root system sux, it will be non-functioning and nothing you throw at them will help.

UB

I'll water with half str Miracid when they look ready. Learning to read them is taking a while. It's been 7 or 8 yrs since I grew cannabis. I have done lots of flower beds, shrubs, and trees since the MJ. They react in their own way, but people ignore the general horticultural common sense on here sometimes.
I'm gonna dump the water w/ molasses into the soil I mixed up. You guys say it needs to work in the soil for a while before it benefits. I have a while anyway. I'll find taller pots and just wait. They are responding great. Thx
I looked up the local ag. extension. I found the US dept. of Ag. office # so I'll call in the morning. There is a local University (Montana State U-Billings) so I thought I'd call them too. I assume that was what you meant for soil analysis. I couldn't find much on the web for gov soil testing. Lots of info. Got kinda stoner lost . How about that mite infested shop I saw? Nobody seemed even concerned.
Daniels

I fed them with with Miracid last night (1 tsp/gal) and the overnight growth was very noticeable.
I'm having a hard time getting my soil analysis. I couldn't get anyone at the US Dept. of Ag. I'll try some-more today. I talked to a guy who does soil analysis for local farmers. (30 plus years exp.) I told him it was soil for indoor houseplants and vegetables. We talked about the analysis he does, but the simple test was $68. To get a true view of it he'd do 3 different ones for about $350. Nice guy, knew it wasn't worth that. So he did a calculation of my soil into tons added to an acre. He said my blood meal could be higher. The Epsom salt was too much, but he said to use water to flush it if I see an excess. So UB was spot on once again.
I'll get a Pic update tonight.
Daniels

Glad your plants are doing well, but if I were you I would just buy a soil tester or test kit and save myself the trouble. Just out of curiosity, have you always been a smoker or did you start smoking after you were diagnosed with MS? My mom has MS, but doesn't smoke and has mentioned once or twice that she has considered calling me (cuz she knows I always have it) to help with the pain.

Yea I might as well get one of those.
I was prescribed cannabis for chronic back pain in July. I have smoked for years. I found after another back injury in sept. which ended up being a herniated disc that the MJ helped the spasms . After MRI's and a diagnosis of MS I found that it helps my spasticity alot. I get stiff depending on weather. MS as you know varies greatly. We all have common stuff, but everyone with MS I talked to has differences. Cold affects me, but some say heat gets them. It could give her some relief.

Danielsgb said:

I fed them with with Miracid last night (1 tsp/gal) and the overnight growth was very noticeable.
I'm having a hard time getting my soil analysis. I couldn't get anyone at the US Dept. of Ag. I'll try some-more today. I talked to a guy who does soil analysis for local farmers. (30 plus years exp.) I told him it was soil for indoor houseplants and vegetables. We talked about the analysis he does, but the simple test was $68. To get a true view of it he'd do 3 different ones for about $350. Nice guy, knew it wasn't worth that. So he did a calculation of my soil into tons added to an acre. He said my blood meal could be higher. The Epsom salt was too much, but he said to use water to flush it if I see an excess. So UB was spot on once again.
I'll get a Pic update tonight.
Daniels

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Call these guys up. If they won't do it for you they can refer you to an extension service that will. If you're paying over $15 for a full analysis (test #2), you're getting ripped off. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/

It doesn't say on this form that their services are limited to Texas residents. Just take your sample and ship about a cup via USPS to the address listed.
http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/files/soilwebform.pdf

Uncle Ben said:

Call these guys up. If they won't do it for you they can refer you to an extension service that will. If you're paying over $15 for a full analysis (test #2), you're getting ripped off. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/

It doesn't say on this form that their services are limited to Texas residents. Just take your sample and ship about a cup via USPS to the address listed.
http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/files/soilwebform.pdf

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Thx for the quick drop for their info. I was about to run errands, and some printing, faxing, and mail were on the list. I called and they said they do out of state testing, but have no MT info to compare to. I told her it won't matter since I'm using the soil for indoor houseplants and veggies. She said 3 cups so I'm off to print the form and mail it. The guy I talked to said the local USDA guy is better about weed control, and pest mang. stuff. He was helpful and not even suggested spending that kind of $$. Thanks again UB
Daniels

My dirt is now taking a road trip to TX

Danielsgb said:

My dirt is now taking a road trip to TX

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Cool. Dirt work kindly welcome here.

Here's a bunch of pics. A couple pics of all 6 show the new growth. 4 & 2 are kicking ass. 1 & 5 are taking off too. 1 is really tight between nodes (like #4) #3 is also really keeping tight. I'm thinking #1,#3, and #4 are getting close to topping. I wanna get the 2 or 4 Main colas for a few of these six. I may top those 3 or maybe 2 or 1 tomorrow. (it's gonna be hard since it's been a long time to get here) The clones took a solid 3 weeks to get going. I got 4 pots on the way home from mailing my dirt and getting a timer for the exhaust fans. They are 1 gal. so they should work for now, since I'll wait for a while to transplant. I need to get the 2 to my caregiver to make more room under my MH for bigger pots anyway.
#10 is catching up at a furious pace. here's a pic of it on 4-7 and one today. In 6 days, I'm happy with it.
Think they're getting healthy enough soon? (I know it's my own call and all, but opinions never hurt)
Daniels