What happens to a plant that is fed more P&K than N at each phase of the grow cycle?

bobj1598

bobj1598

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I don't mean no nitrogen whatsoever, just more increments of phosphorus and potassium than what's normally recommended.

Does it adversely affect the plant in some way or another? I would assume stunted growth, but is that such a bad thing? Please pardon my ignorance, but so long as it grows to whatever height you want it, does the adage 'slow & steady wins the race' apply here?
 
Herb & Suds

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bobj1598 said:
I don't mean no nitrogen whatsoever, just more increments of phosphorus and potassium than what's normally recommended.

Does it adversely affect the plant in some way or another? I would assume stunted growth, but is that such a bad thing? Please pardon my ignorance, but so long as it grows to whatever height you want it, does the adage 'slow & steady wins the race' apply here?
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You mean like 4-4-4?
How many times and ways are you planning to ask basically the same question?
I assume until you get the answer you want to hear?
 
bobj1598

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Herb & Suds said:
You mean like 4-4-4?
How many times and ways are you planning to ask basically the same question?
I assume until you get the answer you want to hear?
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I would implore you to go back and re read what I posted, this time a bit slower. Not once did I mention or imply using a BALANCED fertilizer of equal NPK ratios.

Let me ask again, perhaps this time you'll follow. I'll try and be a little more succinct: what is the end result of using a fertilizer of [3.5-5.5-5.5] ratios from veg through until harvest?
 
Herb & Suds

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bobj1598 said:
I would implore you to go back and re read what I posted, this time a bit slower. Not once did I mention or imply using a BALANCED fertilizer of equal NPK ratios.

Let me ask again, perhaps this time you'll follow. I'll try and be a little more succinct: what is the end result of using a fertilizer of [3.5-5.5-5.5] ratios from veg through until harvest?
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Never tried and don’t know anyone who has
Sorry
My choice in nutrients is based on micro
 
bobj1598

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Herb & Suds said:
Never tried and don’t know anyone who has
Sorry
My choice in nutrients is based on micro
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I'm trying to keep this as SIMPLE as possible. I have three bagged granular fertilizers, I don't regret purchasing them. They cost me roughly $65 CAD. That said, I do not want to burn my plants. I've never grown before. The package directions state to apply as a top dressing, or to mix in with your soil prior to transplanting. I've got one shot at doing this right, else I risk burning my plants by adding more fertilizer later on (I think).

I would really prefer to amend my soil prior to transplanting and then sitting on that straight through until harvest. Keeping it SIMPLE. There's a part of me that DESPERATELY wants to mix this granular fertilizer into water and then applying to my plants. But I've read so many horror stories of nutrient toxicity issues and I would be a FOOL to disregard the advice given to me from so many growers about not adding unnecessary ingredients to my growing medium. Hence the reason I keep making posts on here asking about fertilizer NPK ratios.
 
Herb & Suds

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bobj1598 said:
I'm trying to keep this as SIMPLE as possible. I have three bagged granular fertilizers, I don't regret purchasing them. They cost me roughly $65 CAD. That said, I do not want to burn my plants. I've never grown before. The package directions state to apply as a top dressing, or to mix in with your soil prior to transplanting. I've got one shot at doing this right, else I risk burning my plants by adding more fertilizer later on (I think).

I would really prefer to amend my soil prior to transplanting and then sitting on that straight through until harvest. Keeping it SIMPLE. There's a part of me that DESPERATELY wants to mix this granular fertilizer into water and then applying to my plants. But I've read so many horror stories of nutrient toxicity issues and I would be a FOOL to disregard the advice given to me from so many growers about not adding unnecessary ingredients to my growing medium. Hence the reason I keep making posts on here asking about fertilizer NPK ratios.
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I understand but in hindsight this should have been the consideration before buying the wrong product
So I don’t have experience in how you resolve it
 
weedstoner420

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No offense, but it sounds like you are way overthinking this, without enough actual understanding of the subject.

Gardening is not a math equation. It's possible to have success using many different NPK ratios, especially in organics, and the companies who make the fertilizer mixes know what they are doing, even if the ratios end up slightly different from one product to the next. If you have a "vegetable" or "all-purpose" fertilizer, use that in your initial mix. Then if you have a "flower" or "bloom" one, use that to top dress in flower.
 
HGCC

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So, while it comes up for organic people...quite a bit of the heavy focus on NPK ratios is people using something other than what you are using, so thinking about it that way isn't going to get you anywhere.

The medium you are using appeared to already contain nutrients. Don't add more immediately. Plant your plants in the promix. Water them sometimes. In like a month you will add some of that 4-4-4 to your container, it should have some instructions for the application rate. Plants do need a bit more P and K in flower, you mention having several bags of granules....are some of them higher in P & K? If so cool, use that like a month after you applied the 4-4-4.

I have seen plenty of people use an equally balanced fertilizer as their only product when growing outdoors.

Edit: you should switch your lights over to flower about 2 weeks after you apply the 444. During the very first part of flower you still want plenty of nitrogen available. You should have some more "flower" oriented granules I would assume, they will have a lower (or the same) N level, but higher P and K indicated.
 
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bobj1598

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MickFoster said:
To answer your original question.........nothing.
I use MaxiBloom from start to finish and it's 5-15-14.
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How long does it take you to get to harvest, on average?
weedstoner420 said:
No offense, but it sounds like you are way overthinking this, without enough actual understanding of the subject.

Gardening is not a math equation. It's possible to have success using many different NPK ratios, especially in organics, and the companies who make the fertilizer mixes know what they are doing, even if the ratios end up slightly different from one product to the next. If you have a "vegetable" or "all-purpose" fertilizer, use that in your initial mix. Then if you have a "flower" or "bloom" one, use that to top dress in flower.
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No offence taken, I am overthinking this lol. But here's the rub. Which of the three following fertilizers would be optimal to mix into my soil that would provide my plants with the adequate nutrition to get all the way to harvest: 7 3 3, 3 7 3, or 4 4 8? You can combine one or more of the fertilizers to create a different NPK ratio entirely. High nitrogen isn't very optimal for flower, from what I've gathered.

I did not want to add anything to my plants, the soil mix claimed to have three months of nutrients, and well, that was a lie. I didn't even get three WEEKS of nutrients. I was forced to go and buy something with nitrogen to add to my seed starting mix. Plants almost died.
HGCC said:
So, while it comes up for organic people...quite a bit of the heavy focus on NPK ratios is people using something other than what you are using, so thinking about it that way isn't going to get you anywhere.

The medium you are using appeared to already contain nutrients. Don't add more immediately. Plant your plants in the promix. Water them sometimes. In like a month you will add some of that 4-4-4 to your container, it should have some instructions for the application rate. Plants do need a bit more P and K in flower, you mention having several bags of granules....are some of them higher in P & K? If so cool, use that like a month after you applied the 4-4-4.

I have seen plenty of people use an equally balanced fertilizer as their only product when growing outdoors.
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I'm growing indoors. PROMIX isn't very forthcoming with what they add to their soils. They also lie about how long it feeds your plants for. Seed starting mix claimed to feed for three months. Says it on the bag and their website, I didn't even get three weeks of nutrients before leaves started yellowing.

Each of the bagged granules I have are for different stages of plant growth: veg, flower, and bloom. I can combine two of them (flower and bloom) to make an equal P&K composition.
 
LeastExpectedGrower

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MickFoster said:
To answer your original question.........nothing.
I use MaxiBloom from start to finish and it's 5-15-14.
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MickFoster said:
4 weeks veg (that's from sprout) and 10 weeks flower on average.
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I was gonna say...a whole lot of people out there using Maxibloom only for their growing.

Though time-to-harvest has so very little to do with this topic vs. plant genetics & environment.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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bobj1598 said:
How long does it take you to get to harvest, on average?

No offence taken, I am overthinking this lol. But here's the rub. Which of the three following fertilizers would be optimal to mix into my soil that would provide my plants with the adequate nutrition to get all the way to harvest: 7 3 3, 3 7 3, or 4 4 8? You can combine one or more of the fertilizers to create a different NPK ratio entirely. High nitrogen isn't very optimal for flower, from what I've gathered.

I did not want to add anything to my plants, the soil mix claimed to have three months of nutrients, and well, that was a lie. I didn't even get three WEEKS of nutrients. I was forced to go and buy something with nitrogen to add to my seed starting mix. Plants almost died.

I'm growing indoors. PROMIX isn't very forthcoming with what they add to their soils. They also lie about how long it feeds your plants for. Seed starting mix claimed to feed for three months. Says it on the bag and their website, I didn't even get three weeks of nutrients before leaves started yellowing.

Each of the bagged granules I have are for different stages of plant growth: veg, flower, and bloom. I can combine two of them (flower and bloom) to make an equal P&K composition.
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So cool, you've seen the yellowing I couldn't figure out a way to describe. Right when that starts would be when your plant has run low on food and you need to add more. It's "reading your plants" as they say. You are running low on N.

Use the 733 in veg. So add some 733 three weeks in, as that seems to be how long what's there lasts. I guess you could mix those other two bags...but I would just use the 448.
 
Herb & Suds

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bobj1598 said:
How long does it take you to get to harvest, on average?

No offence taken, I am overthinking this lol. But here's the rub. Which of the three following fertilizers would be optimal to mix into my soil that would provide my plants with the adequate nutrition to get all the way to harvest: 7 3 3, 3 7 3, or 4 4 8? You can combine one or more of the fertilizers to create a different NPK ratio entirely. High nitrogen isn't very optimal for flower, from what I've gathered.

I did not want to add anything to my plants, the soil mix claimed to have three months of nutrients, and well, that was a lie. I didn't even get three WEEKS of nutrients. I was forced to go and buy something with nitrogen to add to my seed starting mix. Plants almost died.

I'm growing indoors. PROMIX isn't very forthcoming with what they add to their soils. They also lie about how long it feeds your plants for. Seed starting mix claimed to feed for three months. Says it on the bag and their website, I didn't even get three weeks of nutrients before leaves started yellowing.

Each of the bagged granules I have are for different stages of plant growth: veg, flower, and bloom. I can combine two of them (flower and bloom) to make an equal P&K composition.
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I’ll just add this cause even I’m getting confused
Not all pro-mix is the same
Your experience indicates to me you aren’t talking about the type that comes in compressed bales
 
bobj1598

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Herb & Suds said:
I’ll just add this cause even I’m getting confused
Not all pro-mix is the same
Your experience indicates to me you aren’t talking about the type that comes in compressed bales
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nope, I'm talking aboutthe herb and vegetable mix, as well as the seed starting mix. I have experience using the latter, not the former. But I'm going to go out of my way to assume my experience using the seed starting mix will be similar to the experience of the herb and veg. mix.
 
Star Dog

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Idk why you don't buy a full profile nutrient and get back to mixing your own when you've got a grasp the basics.
 
Herb & Suds

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HGCC

HGCC

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Herb & Suds said:
I’ll just add this cause even I’m getting confused
Not all pro-mix is the same
Your experience indicates to me you aren’t talking about the type that comes in compressed bales
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No in one of the other threads...its some sort of promix...premix? It's not the bales.
 
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