What is considered the first day of flowering?

Growdict said:

see the thing is, if you are running the same variety of clones in a perpetual indoor controlled system, you can know to the day when each plant will finish. Also, any issues you had during the grow, say one plant needed a bit of extra N during stretch, you can tweak on your next run. I note everything, but I learn better that way.

The plant is done when it is done, yes, but it will be done the next round at the same time unless conditions changed.

I have 4 strains running right now and they finish at day 59,62,67 and 70 respectively.

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After any environmental shift. Yes, for the most part. It will still vary by a day or two....

So we go right back to. Why bother timing? I run a perpetual and shift it by strain run times, to have a vacation from trimming for 2 weeks with only 3-4 days off and repeating. I know what the strains run for, basically, and that is the only thing I note on times.
I'm about to start a period of about a month off from trimming. Then it's back to the same'ol, same'ol for a cpl of months.

I mean I get your point, but it's still a "why bother" thing. Not to mention the month off cycle is generally bringing in new strains....I have 2 strains that go all the time. Perpetual. These are single plants to keep the strain....yeah I got some S1's of them. I have folks who request them. The list is going up by 2 more strains. Non stop - "gotta have" requests for those.....Just finishing up some newer stuff and we'll see how these go over.

Platinum Banana OG



This is one of those "uber potent" strains I speak of, that do not amber! This really would throw a monkey wrench in a novice growers wait for "ambering trichomes."

Trich's are all cloudy, Calyx's are swollen and pistils have receded into them. This strain didn't even come with any "time" stamp..
None of this guys gear does.....

While I've run this strain before. It's a different pheno from the one I have. This is the "Pink Pistil pheno"......Flat out reeks of Banana's soaked in a mix of fuels.....Uber dank!

We each have our ways eh? They both work. "I" simply have no need to Keep time.....Even though I have a very tightly controlled environment.

Growdict said:

what?? this doesnt make any sense and you are alone in this. unless you are 12/12 from seed/seedling. or maybe you are growing sativas that take 4 months to mature

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Dude, he's a troll.

I consider day one of flower the first day I switch the timers to 12-12. As for duration of flowering... It depends on the plant itself.

SouthCross said:

I have a stack of old calenders. It's like a grow journal by the day. All the fu¢k ups. All the right stuff. Everything is logged.

The information is gold.

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thats great ! I did the same, notes of strains and issues along the way for years, stacked and reread them. to the fire a few years ago when I realized I wont grow anything I grew then ever again, my forever strains had changed up once again...

klx said:

What has day 1 of flowering got to do with harvesting? Knowing how long a strain takes to fully mature is really helpful when planning the next run, especially if you want to maximise your space. Has nothing to do with harvesting early.

Counting nothing, keeping no records? Sounds lazy to me.

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After all the time I've been doing this. I keep feed notes when making changes. That's about it anymore, everything else just flows together. Besides, I have piles of records that go back to 73. I'm not adding a room on to my house, just to keep unneeded records.

If recording day 1 of bloom - Why? It has nothing to do with anything other then someone counting down to finish times given by breeder reports......How many novice growers are already "counting" to feed changes? The point there, is at sometime in their experience. They'll know when, by simply "reading" the plant.

Your point on space and next runs. Would be defined by the ability of the grower to run a perpetual. I've done so for years without any more then one run of any given strain to supply the required info to put that strain into my rotation......I still don't "time" my bloom runs.....Maybe it's just second nature to be able to do it that way now. Experience counts...

Now commercial runs of serious #'s. That's another story altogether.....right?

The bottom line is: Do what works for you.

GroErr said:

Totally agree on tracking time to determine when they're finished, they're done when they're done.

However, I do count (from the flip because it's the only consistent way to determine finish time periods across various strains/phenos) to understand things like when I can expect a pheno to finish for timing perpetual runs, or select shorter running phenos for further breeding. Those things are worth knowing/recording when your strains/phenos are expected to finish. That said, changes in environment/equipment can affect finish times so all taken with a grain of salt. Like anything else, it's good information if you use it for something, otherwise it's just a waste of space in your brain or logs

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My basic answers to this are above.

The thing I would add is. I built a dedicated place. For the whole reason of strictly controlling my environment. This gives me consistency. For the way I feed and the goals I'm going for. It's required. I hold 3-4 deg F and 5% RH. I control my uptake, and dial in soils for organic and feed ratio's for synthetic by the ability to have that consistency.

Good addition you had me post here. Quite correct on consistent environment = consistent results!

well I've been growing a bunch of greenpoint selections and can say the guy over there @Gu~ must be an honest genius because I havent had one of them finish outside of his descriptions. I can put a "Harvest Now Date" on all of them without worries.
Or...we both have identical definitions of what "finish" entails.

chemphlegm said:

Or...we both have identical definitions of what "finish" entails.

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AND, pretty damn close environmental conditions....

Some breeders are better at what they call as "days to finish or bloom time."
Gotta admit that too.

Dr. Who said:

AND, pretty damn close environmental conditions....

Some breeders are better at what they call as "days to finish or bloom time."
Gotta admit that too.

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have you run his gear yet? Raindance and Copper Chem for some strange fire.
Raindance changed my garden and my day to day effects/results. If I could only have one strain......take that with a grain of salt...


(drgreenthumb(canada) lists his finish times, even heights flowered and I found them to be accurate too. you are right stick with good breeders for good results. but first....growers need to dial in their space for any real funs.

chemphlegm said:

have you run his gear yet? Raindance and Copper Chem for some strange fire.
Raindance changed my garden and my day to day effects/results. If I could only have one strain......take that with a grain of salt...


(drgreenthumb(canada) lists his finish times, even heights flowered and I found them to be accurate too. you are right stick with good breeders for good results. but first....growers need to dial in their space for any real funs.

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No but, you've got my attention on them......
I got so much new gear to get to.....But, never have a problem with adding more -

Bodhi has Goji listed again too. STRIKE THAT! sold out already! Don't really have to explain that one eh?

Bingo that for the rest!

Dr. Who said:

And how many here, actually speak the science? Besides, it's about when it's done right? That's what the person is leading on to.
I'm still right. It's done when it's done!

Too many variables to count weeks/days to harvest by a set calendar point value!!!!!!

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I'm not using the start date to judge flower times on a first run strain but it sure is helpful the second time you run it the next time.

Be careful riding that high horse. Hurts a lot more when you fall off.

OldMedUser said:

I'm not using the start date to judge flower times on a first run strain but it sure is helpful the second time you run it the next time.

Be careful riding that high horse. Hurts a lot more when you fall off.

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LOL - I get you.....But, I still don't really find a big need to..(in how the OP intended the question)...I simply watch for done.....Less attention to a point I haven't gotten to. Gives me me more attention to what the plant is doing now..... Focus on today. Tomorrow isn't here yet. OR Today's mistake is, tomorrows failure...

Unless your running a commercial op, or setting up a perpetual in more then a tent.....I just don't find any value in watching dates...
Technically, meaningless to your end goal.

If you regularly run new strains. Beyond meaningless.

Maybe I should just say....Breeders given days are generally going to put you short. Another week or more is very common. If you must count - count from the day you flip your lights..... I don't choose to count at all. I simply look for "done".

I understand some think my opinion smells like ass.....

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Dr. Who said:

LOL - I get you.....But, I still don't really find a big need to..(in how the OP intended the question)...I simply watch for done.....Less attention to a point I haven't gotten to. Gives me me more attention to what the plant is doing now..... Focus on today. Tomorrow isn't here yet. OR Today's mistake is, tomorrows failure...

Unless your running a commercial op, or setting up a perpetual in more then a tent.....I just don't find any value in watching dates...
Technically, meaningless to your end goal.

If you regularly run new strains. Beyond meaningless.

Maybe I should just say....Breeders given days are generally going to put you short. Another week or more is very common. If you must count - count from the day you flip your lights..... I don't choose to count at all. I simply look for "done".

I understand some think my opinion smells like ass.....

This don't
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That cola looks godlike.

Dr. Who said:

LOL - I get you.....But, I still don't really find a big need to..(in how the OP intended the question)...I simply watch for done.....Less attention to a point I haven't gotten to. Gives me me more attention to what the plant is doing now..... Focus on today. Tomorrow isn't here yet. OR Today's mistake is, tomorrows failure...

Unless your running a commercial op, or setting up a perpetual in more then a tent.....I just don't find any value in watching dates...
Technically, meaningless to your end goal.

If you regularly run new strains. Beyond meaningless.

Maybe I should just say....Breeders given days are generally going to put you short. Another week or more is very common. If you must count - count from the day you flip your lights..... I don't choose to count at all. I simply look for "done".

I understand some think my opinion smells like ass.....

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That's a beauty of a cola!

GrowGorilla said:

The day I switch the lights to 12/12 is when I start counting. I don't even bother to check the trichomes until after 8 weeks. Like @Dr. Who said, they are done when they are done.

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Their done when I run out lol.

madcuzbad said:

That cola looks godlike.

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OldMedUser said:

That's a beauty of a cola!

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Platinum Banana OG

It smell's LOUD! Like Banana's in a fuel mix......stupid dank.

Let's throw a little something else into the mix. What about auto's? Would that be when flowers start? Honestly I find that for most commercial strains the times quoted r pretty close when counting from flip, seems longer but usually not a lot.

Dr. Who said:

LOL - I get you.....But, I still don't really find a big need to..(in how the OP intended the question)...I simply watch for done.....Less attention to a point I haven't gotten to. Gives me me more attention to what the plant is doing now..... Focus on today. Tomorrow isn't here yet. OR Today's mistake is, tomorrows failure...

Unless your running a commercial op, or setting up a perpetual in more then a tent.....I just don't find any value in watching dates...
Technically, meaningless to your end goal.

If you regularly run new strains. Beyond meaningless.

Maybe I should just say....Breeders given days are generally going to put you short. Another week or more is very common. If you must count - count from the day you flip your lights..... I don't choose to count at all. I simply look for "done".

I understand some think my opinion smells like ass.....

This don't
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Perhaps a skunks ass .