WHATS WRONG WITH MY BABY GIRLS?!

hayshayshay

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Ok so I have never seen something to this extent in my grow and I have been growing for number of years now. I first thought iron..and then thought high pH. I flushed after testing and getting a 6.8..now 2 days later they are looking worse off. Was the oringal problem nutrient lockout? And my babies need iron or magnesium perhaps? Should I give them some cal mag after retesting and making sure the PH is proper? Or perhaps I should transplant to new promix as they are due for a transplant and some new growing medium with proper pH be what the doctor ordered..? Here are some images...plz give feedback everyone. I need this solved immediately!!!
 

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hayshayshay

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I also had some of this as well on the affected plants. I am growing Blue Cookies, Purple Kush, Bubblicious and Chem Dawg and it only seems to be affecting the Blue Cookies. I am growing them in a 4'×4'×6' grow tent under a 600watt MH with 6' inline fan and 2 clip fans in veg cycle. They are grown in HP pro mix and have been given Megacrop by Green Leaf Nutrients and Liquid Karma as a foliar feed. They were started at 1/4 strength for two weeks then 1/2 strength for two weeks and then full strength..after about two weeks full strength this started to occur to the Blue Cookies. The only thing that worries me is the temperature has gotten high a few times while I have been at work, we moved recently and I didn't think the new grow room would get that hot. It was in the low 90's a little until I got it back down to high 70's. Putting in a seperate AC this weekend. Humidity around 20-30%. I thought it could be heat stress..but then it's just that one atrain. Same with high pH, nutrient lockout..or iron deficiency or magnesium perhaps. I thought my digital pH meter was maybe ahoy as it was reading 6.7-6.9 but I recalibrated and got the same reading so I ran out and grabbed the only pH test kit I could get at the time which is a shitty root zone pH test kit. And it read the same thing however I could t get it to read just the pH of water. I then flushed them and now it's been two days and I am going to retest pH..if high add ph down but is that the problem or only problem or maybe it's something else..I grow thousands of plants every day at work and haven't seen this bad..kind of frustrating! Plz input is greatly appreciated guys! Here, are pictures from before the flush..a couple days before..agrrrh.
 

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Logan Burke

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As for the first set of pics, if those girls are already due to be transplanted, then I'd go ahead and transplant them...not like there's anything to lose if it doesn't solve the problem. So, was your PH in line when the symptoms began appearing? I'm not very experienced with soil and soilless mediums, but I do know that looks a lot like a magnesium defiency in a lot of ways. You may try foliar feeding some epsom salts to provide some immediate relief in the short term while we figure out a solution. So, if it were me, I'd foliar feed some epsom salts, and then transplant. The issue could very well be that your plants have simply eaten up the available magnesium. If a full strength epsom salt foliar feed doesn't make those symptoms stop spreading to new leaves, then I think it is safe to say that magnesium isn't your issue. Or at least isn't the core cause of the issue. If your PH is in line, then there may simply not be enough of magnesium and/or calcium it in your medium. Particularly if flushing the medium only made it worse, as you would've been flushing what little Mg that was present out. Good luck buddy, hopefully someone more experienced with soil growing can chime in here. I do not believe that your problem is lockout though, as you've really not added any nutrients to the medium. Lockout typically occurs when people go adding nutrients to a medium that already has adequate nutrients. Those leaves are so dark green, I would opt for epsom salts than calmag as I'm only seeing Mg symptoms there, and Calmag products contain N, which it seems your plant has plenty enough of.
 

Rob Roy

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Sometimes when using liquid fertilizers if they're not shaken up, with the cap on...nobody wants to smell like fish, they can separate.

Which means the first doses of fertilizer are less concentrated and subsequent doses become TOO concentrated. Might not solve your problem, but it's something to consider.
 

rob333

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Ok so I have never seen something to this extent in my grow and I have been growing for number of years now. I first thought iron..and then thought high pH. I flushed after testing and getting a 6.8..now 2 days later they are looking worse off. Was the oringal problem nutrient lockout? And my babies need iron or magnesium perhaps? Should I give them some cal mag after retesting and making sure the PH is proper? Or perhaps I should transplant to new promix as they are due for a transplant and some new growing medium with proper pH be what the doctor ordered..? Here are some images...plz give feedback everyone. I need this solved immediately!!!
u aint never seen nute burn before ??
 

Merlin1147

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A lot of clawing in the first pics. Obviously not overwatering in that size pot. IMO Nitrogen toxicity.
 

Logan Burke

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now u are transplanting phing and adding all this other shit to them i would back off flush and wait for about a month in soil before u feed again
Did you see the part about the problem becoming far, far more severe after the first round of flushing? At this point, flushing more is just asking to kill this plant. That intervenial yellowing isn't caused by nutrient burn...maybe an imbalance locking out Mg, but if you're not using bloom nutes, I doubt you'll get Mg lockout because there aren't high levels of P or K in most veggy nutes. Unless you're adding a high K additive, of course.
 

hayshayshay

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So what do you guys think..I am thinking k the pH is high and and it's not getting the iron. Or magnesium it needs? I am going to retest pH tonight and maybe there is some pH down needed..
 

rob333

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Did you see the part about the problem becoming far, far more severe after the first round of flushing? At this point, flushing more is just asking to kill this plant. That intervenial yellowing isn't caused by nutrient burn...maybe an imbalance locking out Mg, but if you're not using bloom nutes, I doubt you'll get Mg lockout because there aren't high levels of P or K in most veggy nutes. Unless you're adding a high K additive, of course.
lol nute burn always becomes worst when u flush it out as u are pushing all excess salt down into the roots then they will refeed and nothing will be there. well u seem to be the pro here make got all the answers go work it out lol hands down its nute burn
 

rob333

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So what do you guys think..I am thinking k the pH is high and and it's not getting the iron. Or magnesium it needs? I am going to retest pH tonight and maybe there is some pH down needed..
u got nute burn mate flush and wait a few days then refeed at a lower does also only use calmag if they show sighs which they are not
 

hayshayshay

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Test PH first...see if it is in range. It could be too high, but in peat I would expect it to be on the lower end of the spectrum.
pH was actually around 7 so I already flushed and used pH down. I usually let my water sit out for 24 hrs before use and for some reason the water was reading at a 7.8 after sitting out!! Instead of the 6.8 it reads fresh from the tap. I think it might be time to go back to distilled..so I think that was the issue is the water being used pH was to high and gave me some nutrient lock out. Now I am wondering how long I should wait before I should reintroduce the mega crop nutrients or should I just gave her some cal mag..
 

rob333

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Peat moss. Sphagnum peat. With a starting pH of around 4.5.
ohh the shit is bad i have had nothing but issues with it as a base medium but i dont mind it as a mix also i meet a guy once would soak the moss in nutes and place around the base of the plants he would repeat this every 2-3 weeks dont see the point but he had lovley plants
 

rob333

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pH was actually around 7 so I already flushed and used pH down. I usually let my water sit out for 24 hrs before use and for some reason the water was reading at a 7.8 after sitting out!! Instead of the 6.8 it reads fresh from the tap. I think it might be time to go back to distilled..so I think that was the issue is the water being used pH was to high and gave me some nutrient lock out. Now I am wondering how long I should wait before I should reintroduce the mega crop nutrients or should I just gave her some cal mag..
why you giving her calmag ?
 
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