Where are my libertarians at

CatHedral

CatHedral

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Rob Roy said:
If a woman has a right to kill the unborn without consequences, that implies the unborn has no rights and is not a person.

In that case, to be consistent a person who forces a woman to have an abortion would not be a murderer right?
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That is a fascinating distortion of logic. Is coercion a sexually charged term for you?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rob Roy said:
You still seem uncomfortable. Did you elevate the leg and take a couple of bong hits yet?
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No I am not uncomfortable at all. I am very used to your troll tactics, and this bullshit wedge issue that the right wing hate mongers have been pushing for decades to trick their cult into thinking that the narratives they push make any sense when they come in contact with actual reality that is full of nuance and tough decisions that people are forced to face from time to time.

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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
That is a fascinating distortion of logic. Is coercion a sexually charged term for you?
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I see. Where did the logic become distorted ?

Coercion is not a sexually charged term for me. Thank you for asking.

I do like them hairy though, in case you were wondering.

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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
No I am not uncomfortable at all. I am very used to your troll tactics, and this bullshit wedge issue that the right wing hate mongers have been pushing for decades to trick their cult into thinking that the narratives they push make any sense when they come in contact with actual reality that is full of nuance and tough decisions that people are forced to face from time to time.

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Doctors!!??? Not for me.
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
A person forces a woman to abort.

This is surely a crime.

But which crime?
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It can't be "not murder" when the expectant mother does it and murder when the forced aborter does it without holding two opposing beliefs at once.

I'll say the crime might be theft and possibly assault to a pro abortion person and the crime would be murder to a pro lifer.

I say possibly assault to the pro abortion person, since an abortion can presumably be done to a willing person without committing an assault on that person. If the forced abortion is done precisely and exactly as a non forced abortion would have been done to the pregnant woman, a claim could be made the woman was not assaulted in either abortion instance.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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When it comes out of the vagina.

Sometimes you just have to go with the clear distinction. I apologize to the c-section born, or should I say unborn, for unpersoning you.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Rob Roy said:
It can't be "not murder" when the expectant mother does it and murder when the forced aborter does it without holding two opposing beliefs at once.

I'll say the crime might be theft and possibly assault to a pro abortion person and the crime would be murder to a pro lifer.

I say possibly assault to the pro abortion person, since an abortion can presumably be done to a willing person without committing an assault on that person. If the forced abortion is done precisely and exactly as a non forced abortion would have been done to the pregnant woman, a claim could be made the woman was not assaulted in either abortion instance.
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The bolded contradicts your stated beliefs. Only one of the two examples is coercive.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
The bolded contradicts your stated beliefs. Only one of the two examples is coercive.
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Is your default assumption that a person not completely "out of the vagina" has no rights and isn't yet a person having rights ?

Just trying to establish when you think it might be murder. I'm not sure I know when exactly. Therefore difficult to say when the mothers actions become "coercive".
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Rob Roy said:
Is your default assumption that a person not completely "out of the vagina" has no rights and isn't yet a person having rights ?

Just trying to establish when you think it might be murder. I'm not sure I know when exactly. Therefore difficult to say when the mothers actions become "coercive".
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No.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Rob Roy said:
Is your default assumption that a person not completely "out of the vagina" has no rights and isn't yet a person having rights ?

Just trying to establish when you think it might be murder. I'm not sure I know when exactly. Therefore difficult to say when the mothers actions become "coercive".
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The decisive matter is this, and I would ask your take.

At what point between zygote and squalling neonate does the conceptus acquire rights? How does one test for the transition?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
The decisive matter is this, and I would ask your take.

At what point between zygote and squalling neonate does the conceptus acquire rights? How does one test for the transition?
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That is the proper question. It also begs a definition for what rights are. Squalling neonate. Good one.
 
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