where do you growers here stand politically? conservative or a liberals?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CrackerJax said:
Every country has it's destiny in its own hands. Life is what you make of it.

Most countries don't give rights to their own ppl. We do....
Most countries have atrocious human rights. We don't.....
Most countries aren't spoiled by this largess ... We are.....

And that explains alot of ur postings.....:wink:
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"Most countries don't give rights to their own ppl. We do..." No. Rights are inalienable and do not come from government. Government has successfully usurped these rights and that's a problem.

"Most countries have atrocious human rights, We don't... " Oh really? Can you say Indian reservation, slavery, incarceration of Japanese American citizens during WWII , highest prison population of any country in the world today and draconian drug laws? I can.

I'm spoiled? No, I'm frustrated, I like freedom, economic as well as owning my body, my labor and my property. I do not believe people in this country are obligated to support ALL of the actions of their government. I certainly don't offer blanket support. ALL governments rely on force, that is a problem for me.

You say every country has their destiny in their hands...I'll go one further.
I believe EVERY PEACEFUL PERSON should have their destiny in their hands and should not seek permission from their government to be able to fulfill it.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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That would be about all they'd do, pick the sound byte and loose the message. Then everyone would think it applied to them and cheer and his advice would be the cause of more deregulation or deforestation or something. Some kind of really bad dee.
 
genuity

genuity

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OregonMeds said:
That would be about all they'd do, pick the sound byte and loose the message. Then everyone would think it applied to them and cheer and his advice would be the cause of more deregulation or deforestation or something. Some kind of really bad dee.
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it's not one big"C"going on in the world,no matter what people think
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Illegal Smile said:
Ron Paul doesn't have the faintest idea what makes global free markets work and neither do you.
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Well, I can see we're probably just going to disagree on a few things. I got it, you don't like Ron Paul and would like to goad me into an argument about him. I'll take a raincheck. I appreciate Ron Paul's consistency and protection of individual rights. To me that matters.

I'm not a fan of hypocrisy, Reagan was a hypocrite, plain and simple. He preached one thing, "freedom" yet was willing to use force to take it from American citizens via the drug war. Do you deny this? Unless you own yourself you are not free.
Perhaps you remember what big government statists Nancy and Ronnie said..."just say no to drugs".

Peace.
 
OregonMeds

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Most people haven't got a clue what a sellout The Ronald was but you can hear him tell you here if you actually listen.

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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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^^ Yes Reagan was a sellout. However I do not agree that when he was a Democrat he was correct. I think the selling out part was when he was a Republican President that espoused small government and then he went and expanded it to persecute people over private decisions such as choosing to smoke pot. He was apparently blind to the contradictions in his rhetoric.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Rob Roy said:
"Most countries don't give rights to their own ppl. We do..." No. Rights are inalienable and do not come from government. Government has successfully usurped these rights and that's a problem.

"Most countries have atrocious human rights, We don't... " Oh really? Can you say Indian reservation, slavery, incarceration of Japanese American citizens during WWII , highest prison population of any country in the world today and draconian drug laws? I can.

I'm spoiled? No, I'm frustrated, I like freedom, economic as well as owning my body, my labor and my property. I do not believe people in this country are obligated to support ALL of the actions of their government. I certainly don't offer blanket support. ALL governments rely on force, that is a problem for me.

You say every country has their destiny in their hands...I'll go one further.
I believe EVERY PEACEFUL PERSON should have their destiny in their hands and should not seek permission from their government to be able to fulfill it.
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What are you smoking son?

Those inalienable rights you mention are MADE UP! We made them up! The USA GOVERNMENT (founding fathers) made them up.

Those inalienable rights are not given anywhere as much as here.

Get it straight.


OM ... that video is garbage! He's talking about 1948! then he shows charts from the 70's and 80's..... there's no way to know how much dubbing is out of context.

like reagan explained, he didn't leave the Democrat party, they left him. that would be correct. Something terrible has happened to the Democrat party, and now, with health care all but sealing our economic futures, I see mass carnage ahead for that party.

There's a reason why no Repukes voted for it. they know what this will bring ... the ire of the American citizens who pay the bills. this is the beginning of the end of the democrat party. history in the making.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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It's a radio address from the 40's and the static would give away all edits cracker but for the record it's not edited other than the obvious narrators breaks.

You were supposed to recognize that every word and every sentence is in complete contrast to everything he ever said or did in office. You might have noticed he was ripping apart Reaganomics himself and his future deeds in advance. You might have heard where he loves those socialist programs. You could have closed your eyes.

You're just afraid of loosing a hero. It's like getting a cristian to actually read the bible so you hope they can see the absurdity in it.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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He's got pictures with charts in the 70's and 80's in there ... does reagan travel time too?

look, Reagan was a Democrat, but like lots of folks, saw what was happening to the party. It had/has lost it's soul, and tons of Dem's RAN from the party post Vietnam (rightfully so, millions died in asia because of the liberal agenda of retreat and abandonment of the Vietnamese ppl). Reagan was just one of many thousands, and he's a public figure so it's easy to find footage, but he is hardly alone.

Something happened to the Dem party during Vietnam and it has never recovered from it.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Yes he traveled through time, that was the point I was trying to make and that's why it was in color too, so you'd think it was original video all along with a 1948 audio broadcast.
 
CrackerJax

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well there's tons of color WW2 war footage.... so yes. I just get the feeling there was dubbing and context abuse, but either way, reagan kept his principles and tossed the party that left theirs behind in Vietnam, never to recover.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Thanks for pulling a cristian move on us and being afraid to actually see what's really in the bible. You didn't even watch it, it's clear from what you just said.
 
fatfarmer

fatfarmer

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in old shool ,back in time when your ass was beat or face slap for forgeting to say "YES SIR"!! But if you keap it COOL about things , you were set man. now those today who live our life style come from all walks of life. WE the poeple must stand to stand together voices be heard and vote for ones who are able to understand "US" we the people! but so much to do and so little time to do it ,I will only be able to set and watch, knowing we boomers fail to give our selfs one little pace of freedom! so we now hope to live to see the day all of us ,we the people are free get stoned ,and be at peace! its in the hands of our kids and grand kids to fix our mess. I could have done better! Later!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CrackerJax said:
What are you smoking son?

Those inalienable rights you mention are MADE UP! We made them up! The USA GOVERNMENT (founding fathers) made them up.

Those inalienable rights are not given anywhere as much as here.

Get it straight.




Actually Cracker Jax, John Locke discussed natural rights about 100 years prior to the founding fathers.

Inalienable or unalienable rights or natural rights are not rights that one entity can provide to another.

I have it straight.
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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Talk is cheap though. It was the USA which put it into real PRACTICE.

Big difference.

As for not being able to grant inalienable rights...it a GIVEN???!!! tell that to North Korea, or any number of other countries.

If it isn't agreed upon in the countries constitution, it isn't going to happen. It is GIVEN ... it's not an entitlement, it's a privilege.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CrackerJax said:
Talk is cheap though. It was the USA which put it into real PRACTICE.

Big difference.

As for not being able to grant inalienable rights...it a GIVEN???!!! tell that to North Korea, or any number of other countries.

If it isn't agreed upon in the countries constitution, it isn't going to happen. It is GIVEN ... it's not an entitlement, it's a privilege.
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Semantics...I'd agree that rights are taken away by oppressive governments. I like to think EVERYBODY has rights, some are simply prevented from exercising them.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Now there's semantics. Believe what you wish, but that doesn't get you into a voting booth, just look around the globe and see the evidence of that.

No, the USA says it in it's constitution, and you will be hard pressed to find it elsewhere in any significant volume.

That's sort of why Millions of foreigners are CLAMORING to come here......
 
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