Wheres all this money really from?

medicineman said:

I wonder how many employees just kept the money, I would, especially if the candidate was not my choice.

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medicineman said:

If that was a beating then I've nothing to fear from you. Federal medical has and is working in 35 industrialized countries world wide. In fact we are about the only wealthy country that doesn't afford health care to all citizens regardless of income. This country is run by corporations, (Prove me wrong) and as such, will never volunteer to pay for anyones medical treatment. In fact the elites that control the world are pressing for a reduction in population of approx. 4 billion people. I'm assuming this will be done by disease or viruses as that leaves the infrastructure intact. It is an inalienable right to health and that is what governments are for, remember, of the people, by the people, FOR the people. Nowhere in this document are corporations mentioned, right!

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Cearid said:

Its good to vent from time to time. The so called "war on drugs" is one of the biggest jokes of all time. I'm not for the harder stuff any more but Kobe can rape a girl and not go to prison but smoking a joint and relaxing on your couch is a criminal offense that can result in harsh jail sentences??? Doesn't make much sense to me.

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medicineman said:

If that was a beating then I've nothing to fear from you. Federal medical has and is working in 35 industrialized countries world wide. In fact we are about the only wealthy country that doesn't afford health care to all citizens regardless of income. This country is run by corporations, (Prove me wrong) and as such, will never volunteer to pay for anyones medical treatment. In fact the elites that control the world are pressing for a reduction in population of approx. 4 billion people. I'm assuming this will be done by disease or viruses as that leaves the infrastructure intact. It is an inalienable right to health and that is what governments are for, remember, of the people, by the people, FOR the people. Nowhere in this document are corporations mentioned, right!

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joepro said:

everready, under RPs thumb you would infact pay more state tax then you would fed tax.Whos gona pay for the homeless/mentaly ill or terminally ill?would states start shipping these people into another states to keep taxes down?maj citys would fall without fed money and nobody would help em/could help em or endless states start borrowing to other states,at a % rate, then you have come full circle and in a worse position.
RP stance on katrina is good insight.....

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Everready said:

Wrong again. Taxes would be lower both federal and state. How was everything handled before the FED came into being? The answer to that is why America is a legend among countries, it is why people from all over the world, to this day, want to come here. If we can return to that then you would see much more prosperous cities, less homeless, better health care etc...

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medicineman said:

Did you ever think that just like Ron Paul, Obama stirs hope in the people and they really want him to win. Why should R.P. be the only candidate to raise hope. It is a rarity among stoners because they want drug law reform promised by Paul, but many more people see the Obama platform because of the MSM and are driven just like the R.P. supporters to get their guy elected, hence the donations. I am a realist.. There are more than one reason I won't be voting for R.P., the main one being he can't win. The PTB (powers that be) will not allow it. secondly and extremely important to me, he is opposed to national medical. His privatization agenda scares the hell out of me, private cops, private prisons, private everything and we all know how concerned corporations are about the citizenry. Abolish the FED and the income tax, great for the rich, what about the poor, oh that's right, it's called fuck the poor. Call me a pinko commie or whatever the fuck you want, but if the candidate is for the rich, he aint for me.

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joepro said:

before the fed? look real close at that way of life again,your dog has a better life.only people from poor countrys come to america, not to meany french/dutch running wround here.under RP rule you would pay more in state then you do in fed tax, thats nothing more then fact and to say otherwise is silly.
if you start adding up the money needed, the state tax would need to sky rocket, putting you in the same position if not deeper in taxes.
don't think you will ever get out of paying taxes, RP has never said that.
the system needs to work for instead of against-((reform))

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mockingbird131313 said:

Uh, I think you an Everready are both wrong here.

Item one in the RP plan is to put value into the currency. Our money has deteriorated to nothing of value. If we reduce the Federal budget, the state tax structures could remain the same and yet out lifestyles will go up.

For instance, if we eliminated the IRS we would have 3-4 million people out of work who are available for gainful employment in a productive economy. quote]

you mean 3-4 million people out of work at the same time?
...and that will somehow add to a productive econmy, you say.
who pays for the 4 million people long soupline?(plus the family)
the fed goverments only roll should be of insurance for the american people,like a savings account.
like what "they said" it was for in the first place.

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joepro said:

mockingbird131313 said:

Uh, I think you an Everready are both wrong here.

Item one in the RP plan is to put value into the currency. Our money has deteriorated to nothing of value. If we reduce the Federal budget, the state tax structures could remain the same and yet out lifestyles will go up.

For instance, if we eliminated the IRS we would have 3-4 million people out of work who are available for gainful employment in a productive economy. quote]

you mean 3-4 million people out of work at the same time?
...and that will somehow add to a productive econmy, you say.
who pays for the 4 million people long soupline?(plus the family)
the fed goverments only roll should be of insurance for the american people,like a savings account.
like what "they said" it was for in the first place.

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So, what about all those out of work government employees. Should they all apply for greeters at walmart, or for the jobs now occupied by illegals. How is getting rid of half the government going to make this country more affluent? In actuality, it will only make the affluent more affluent.

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medicineman said:

joepro said:

So, what about all those out of work government employees. Should they all apply for greeters at walmart, or for the jobs now occupied by illegals. How is getting rid of half the government going to make this country more affluent? In actuality, it will only make the affluent more affluent.

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Ah, mr. medicineman, government employees add NOTHING to the Gross National Product. Most of DR. RP's programs (perhaps all his programs) were transitional ideas. It would be absurd to throw 4 million people out on the streets. But, downsizing many (most?) government agencies 5-10 percent each year would result in an increase in GNP.

After 4 years you have a government that is 25 percent smaller and GNP has
increased. Without raising or lowering the tax rates, the Federal revenues increase significantly. That is RP's plan. It works on paper and will work in practice IF we do not increase spending. Several departments of government have a lot more money than is needed. With reduction of the IRS, for example, you keep revenues equal and expenses lower. GNP goes up.

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ViRedd said:

The IRS has 110,000 employees. Ron Paul's idea was to eliminate (not down size) the IRS. So, these IRS employees could all find work as muscle for the Mafia. No problem ... same job description as before.

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ViRedd said:

IRS employees could all find work as muscle for the Mafia. No problem ... same job description as before.

Vi

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mockingbird131313 said:

Well, he feels the same way about Education, 700 foreign military bases, social security, and a few other issues. However, he does talk about transition to a smaller size government. Because abrupt, wholesale change would be unstable.

Anyway, the point is this, if you notch back some of the government agencies, keep revenues the same, pay down the Federal debt, you increase the buying power of ever dollar in circulation.

Also, if you trimmed the IRS down to 10,000 employees, by developing ANY flat tax solution, you would also reduce or eliminate jobs in the private sector. As this occurs, these private sector people would be available for jobs that create GNP and wealth throughout the economy.


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medicineman said:

Where are all these 2-5 million govt. employees going to find work in the private sector? Like I said greeters at walmart are already taken and the illegals have all the other available jobs, Get real, it would never work. Are you suggesting that the private sector would create 5 million livable wage jobs, get real. First thing Paul wants to do is eliminate the minimum wage, Bye-bye 7-8 dollar an hr. jobs, hello 3-4 dollar an hr jobs' with no oversight, the corporations woud finish off the enslavement of the american workers mock schnell. It would be an elitests dream. Hey, no social net, no enforcement of work conditions, no minimum wage, Hey now you slaves, get to work or we'll starve you to death. This is utter nonsense.

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Isn't it about time you started becoming more consistent in your thinking, Med?

ViRedd said:

So then, in your demented estimation, federal workers are only qualified for minimum wage, WalMart greeter jobs?

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