White Widow, First Grow

Poobzilla

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have been continuing with a litre of water with same nutes but slightly more PPM as getting closer to the 500-600 range(480PPM today). Will need to increase total water as 2 of the three are starting to take in more water.
PH is varying but not sure if this is because more base nutes are going in which deals with the PH balance or if the water from the tap is changing its PH. Have been forgetting to check water before adding nutes as it was always coming out almost exact same PH and PPM when I was.
Surprised by amount of growth in just 2 days.

After seeking some advice, as I am getting close to first topping, I am going to grow them all until after 2 toppings and may get rid of the smallest. Advised that 3 plants in an 80x80 cm may be too much. Shelob is the candidate for eviction so far as Gimp seems to be growing well, almost as well as Ungoliant.

Next grow I will number them but thought I would have a little fun. Can also harvest one plant early and second plant later for the different effects as looking for the CBD for the anxiety but still want some that gives me that cerebral energetic high. Looking at maybe growing at least one high CBD widow next grow after finding out that's a thing.
 

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Poobzilla said:
Have been forgetting to check water before adding nutes as it was always coming out almost exact same PH...
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I always PH AFTER my nutrients have been added. There was a thread-war on this a few days ago, and the general consensus was that you should PH after nutes. I sometimes check it to see if they add/subtract from the base PH, but I haven't really noticed too much of a difference. Now I just do it after and trust the numbers.

Looking good, man. I'm not sure I agree that 3 in the tent would be too much. They tend to compete for light if they're close together, encouraging growth. It'd help keep the temps down in the tent too.
 
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I always PH AFTER my nutrients have been added. There was a thread-war on this a few days ago, and the general consensus was that you should PH after nutes. I sometimes check it to see if they add/subtract from the base PH, but I haven't really noticed too much of a difference. Now I just do it after and trust the numbers.

Looking good, man. I'm not sure I agree that 3 in the tent would be too much. They tend to compete for light if they're close together, encouraging growth. It'd help keep the temps down in the tent too.
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In relation to water I was talking about just base readings straight from the tap. Not sure if it is a fluctuation in tap water PH that is causing PH to be lower than when I started recording levels or if it is the higher dose of base nutrients I have been giving them that has caused the slight drop.
I don't PH my water before nutes, my base nutrients act as the PH balance. So you add the micro, the grow then bloom in that order then additional additives(manufacturers instruction). PH hasn't been below 6 yet but has fluctuated between 6 and 6.2 after mixing. I think I seen that thread and have to agree with the majority about PH'ing after adding nutes because why PH before adding anything to the water, just seems silly.

That's why I started another thread to ask lol. I am going to follow advise given and just do what I am doing until after second topping and then make the decision. Plants will extend into flower so may have to make the room. I just don't want any growth(mould etc) happening because the plants are too close together and my humidity spikes during the night when lights are off.
If anything I need to raise temps. Temps can drop to low 60's during the night with my one tube heater but generally stay around low 70's during the day and a little higher if I require to heat my place. If a frost is forecast I generally leave heating on low to try and take chill out the air. I set my inkbird to 77F but the tent never reaches that.
 
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I wish my PH out of the tap was that low. Mine is closer to 7.6-8.0, and it varies every day. I bought, what I though was a year supply of PH-Down and ended up going through a small bottle in the first 2mos. Needed to buy the "big" bottle of the shit.
 
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Mine is also in that range out the tap. My 6-6.2 is after nutes. My PH is about the same as everybody's tap water readings on RIU going from mid 7's to low 8's. But my tap water is good with PPM as usually always in the 30PPM range compared to other readings I have seen about RIU being normally at about 200PPM.

Scottish water for the win yo lol
 
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OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!!!

Anyhooo.....I topped my plants last night. Surprised that they do not seem to have wilted slightly like I have seen in other grows. Was not sure whether to top them all at once as they all had differing node spacing making it easier/harder in some respects. I decided to just to go for it and if any are worse for wear then I will learn something for next time. Ungoliant was the easiest as she is undoubtedly is the biggest of the three. Was surprised though between Gimp and Shelob as Gimp is bigger but wasn't as easy as getting in their with the snips as it was on Shelob, the smallest of the three.

Also learned I need to remember and shake my nutes before mixing. Never changed the amount of nutes/water I am using but noticed over past 2 days PPM has dropped, which I presume to be the salts or whatever settling to the bottom of the bottle. I usually do but cannot remember doing yesterday and forgot to do today and PPM's dropped from 550 on saturday to 470 today. Did not want to add more nutes just to increase PPM as unsure if this would be detrimental to the plants.

These are pics taking after watering around an hour ago.
 

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Hippieryan

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OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!!!

Anyhooo.....I topped my plants last night. Surprised that they do not seem to have wilted slightly like I have seen in other grows. Was not sure whether to top them all at once as they all had differing node spacing making it easier/harder in some respects. I decided to just to go for it and if any are worse for wear then I will learn something for next time. Ungoliant was the easiest as she is undoubtedly is the biggest of the three. Was surprised though between Gimp and Shelob as Gimp is bigger but wasn't as easy as getting in their with the snips as it was on Shelob, the smallest of the three.

Also learned I need to remember and shake my nutes before mixing. Never changed the amount of nutes/water I am using but noticed over past 2 days PPM has dropped, which I presume to be the salts or whatever settling to the bottom of the bottle. I usually do but cannot remember doing yesterday and forgot to do today and PPM's dropped from 550 on saturday to 470 today. Did not want to add more nutes just to increase PPM as unsure if this would be detrimental to the plants.

These are pics taking after watering around an hour ago.
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Look great, will you be topping just the once or twice?
 
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I've forgotten to shake nutes several times. I always seem to remember after I've watered, as I'm leaving the tent for the day. Just remember next time and all will be right with the world.

Looking good!
 
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While watering this morning I noticed a root of the smallest plant poking out the bottom of the pot. Will need to think about re-potting before I top a second time or before flip.
Also forgot to change to week 2 nutrients levels for AN's schedule. I brought the base nutrients up to 3ml each per 1.5L water which is the same volume I add of each of the additives, voodoo juice and b-52. PPM's seemed a bit high so diluted back to 580PPM, have been told that WW can take higher nutes but not wanting to chance it.
No signs of any real deficiency or toxicity so far so just stick to what I'm doing. In another week can drop the voodoo juice as per AN schedule and double the base nutes. Find it odd that you drop the voodoo juice for a few weeks only to use it again for first few weeks of bloom.

Don't know if its normal as has only been 3 weeks since germ, but I swear I smelled like a grapefruitish smell coming from my plant when I had brushed its leave with my hand. I may be mistaken but swear it was some sort of citrus.
 
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have been told that WW can take higher nutes but not wanting to chance it.
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I'm not sure why they say WW can take the nutes... I'm using AN base and I was mixing at 15ml each of the three, per gallon. My plants fried. I tweaked it back to 5ml each per gallon and they seem to be doing much better.

I figured out how to calibrate/use my Blue Labs pen and tested my solution after tweaking back, EC is 1.2. I've heard an EC above 1.6 is Helter Skelter on the plants. I might mix up a full strength gallon for kicks and get the EC.

Good report.
 
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I'm not sure why they say WW can take the nutes... I'm using AN base and I was mixing at 15ml each of the three, per gallon. My plants fried. I tweaked it back to 5ml each per gallon and they seem to be doing much better.

I figured out how to calibrate/use my Blue Labs pen and tested my solution after tweaking back, EC is 1.2. I've heard an EC above 1.6 is Helter Skelter on the plants. I might mix up a full strength gallon for kicks and get the EC.

Good report.
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I mixed up just the 1ml of each base nute in a litre and approximated what it would be at full strength, and its way above advised PPM's for coco so had it in my mind not to go with full AN figures but keep them to the same ratios.

Cheers man, trying to keep myself right. Got all my numbers in a pad next to my tent but updating anything that changes on here as best as I can remember.
 
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Roots now showing on the biggest plant and another root tendril from the smallest. At this rate may see roots coming out the sides of the pot aswell as the bottom. Feeling a bit relieved for losing a plant early, would not have enough coco to fill 4 larger pots but should manage with 3.

I have been monitoring the one I call gimp as she has been growing well but has some inconsistencies with one side of the plant. One of the first true leaves looked like it had been crimped at the end and new leaves on the same side can be narrow compared to other new growth. Have been moving her about the tent aswell as turning the pot and I can rule out environment as think it may just be weird genetics.

Got an update on my new light and has been delayed further due to the coronavirus, should be on the way by end of this week/next week. I knew the risk of ordering a light due to them waiting on heatsinks coming to complete build. Not sure if I said which light it was previously but no harm in doing so again. Its the Scope 220(V2) from DIYLEDUK.

First pic is of Ungoliant, the more advanced of the three so far, she is the one that exposed roots today over nothing yesterday.
Second is Shelob, the smallest, she was showing a root tendril yesterday and another appeared today.
The last 2 are of Gimp, close up of another funny leave on the same side as the first funny leave on the plant. Not sure but looking at some of the leaves there may be some issue trying to show itself.
 

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And another daily update...did not think I would be posting this regularly.
More roots showing on the big girl but coming out the sides of pot now, still only the 2 tendrils seen on the small girl and Gimp has nothing showing but is thirsty, can maybe expect them to show soon. No real stress shown from the topping I done, may re pot sooner rather than later.
Noticed leaves seem shinier than usual so I think I have went a little far with my nutes and will scale back from 2.5ml of base and additives to 2ml, these are for 1.5L water volume.

First pic is of roots showing on shelob and other 2 are for ungoliant showing roots peeking out the sides and bottom.
 

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....And another one,

Re-potted into my 5gal fabric pots troday. Don't see that I'm going to have the time in the near future as I am doing extra hours at work until we can get more staff in to cope with the panic buying. Cut my nutes back to 2ml for every 1.5L but did not pre soak coco before hand. I put a layer of coco/perlite to a level that would bring the previous pot up to level of new pot then removed plant from old pot and placed in new before filling around with more coco/perlite. Then it seemed like a lot of water to get me to run-off. Did not measure it, just kept filling 4.5 litres of water with 6ml of each nutrient until I lifted the pot and there was a puddle, new pots are same size as my saucers. Will keep nute levels the same until monday to see if there is a change to the glossy/darker leaves.

Gimp has a hole on the other side of the fan leave than the pic I took with the funny leaf 2 posts ago. You cant see it in the pic but a hole has definitely formed. Checked for bugs but no bugs, unsure what it could be. It's on the same side of the plant that all the funny leaves have shown so still kinda thinking its genetics as nothing wrong with other side of plant at all. If I evict any from my tent it will most likely be Gimp as even the smallest plant has faster growth coming through. This may be due to the plant trying to heal itself and hence not a lot of speed to the new growth that comes. Still space for it now though so will keep it going.

Hope the girls survived the transplant as one of the coco/root balls broke in half on me and unsure if it will affect growth at all.
Would have took more pics but phone is dead and only just put on charge. Will try and update later if I can find the time between sleeping and working
 
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Hippieryan

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Poobzilla said:
....And another one,

Re-potted into my 5gal fabric pots troday. Don't see that I'm going to have the time in the near future as I am doing extra hours at work until we can get more staff in to cope with the panic buying. Cut my nutes back to 2ml for every 1.5L but did not pre soak coco before hand. I put a layer of coco/perlite to a level that would bring the previous pot up to level of new pot then removed plant from old pot and placed in new before filling around with more coco/perlite. Then it seemed like a lot of water to get me to run-off. Did not measure it, just kept filling 4.5 litres of water with 6ml of each nutrient until I lifted the pot and there was a puddle, new pots are same size as my saucers. Will keep nute levels the same until monday to see if there is a change to the glossy/darker leaves.

Gimp has a hole on the other side of the fan leave than the pic I took with the funny leaf 2 posts ago. You cant see it in the pic but a hole has definitely formed. Checked for bugs but no bugs, unsure what it could be. It's on the same side of the plant that all the funny leaves have shown so still kinda thinking its genetics as nothing wrong with other side of plant at all. If I evict any from my tent it will most likely be Gimp as even the smallest plant has faster growth coming through. This may be due to the plant trying to heal itself and hence not a lot of speed to the new growth that comes. Still space for it now though so will keep it going.

Hope the girls survived the transplant as one of the coco/root balls broke in half on me and unsure if it will affect growth at all.
Would have took more pics but phone is dead and only just put on charge. Will try and update later if I can find the time between sleeping and working
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Don’t get rid of gimp,,, I’ve been cheering for him lol
 
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