Withdrawals approaching week 4 as we speak trying everything to get back to full health...carrots ginger root lemons oranges apples fruit fruit smoothies good whole meals and exercising Still feeling shitty
IMHO - don't think of relapse in terms of time clean. -- Although time speaks to experience and success, all that any of us truly have is right now, today.
Kratom dosage was anywhere from 7-14 gs regularly but man I've went up wards or 20 gram doses not very often tho I try to put a cap on it at 14...then I started the extracts I was doin 150 mg plus every day faithfullyIMHO - don't think of relapse in terms of time clean. -- Although time speaks to experience and success, all that any of us truly have is right now, today.
I have almost a decade away from alcohol - but it's still early here, and I have plenty of time for bad - or good - decisions.
Live today - not yesterday.
As you know - it will get better. Go find some sunshine and get a smile.
If you don't mind - what was your dosage?
And from one opi addict to another - how do the withdrawals compare to (hypothetically of course) ---- a 120mg / day habit kicked suddenly...
(and that's why I treat opiates like they're made of fire)
I agree the extracts feel closer to a opiate withdrawal and the onset is more rapid I'd wake up the next morning and feel it...but funny thing to mention I feel like I got more of a "full spectrum" effect when doin the leaf...more akaloids possibly? Idk but I tried tapering from the extracts to the leaf
If you don't mind my asking, what are you tapering down to before cut off? Have you managed to get off the extracts yet? Mentally I wouldn't consider taking kratom powder as a relapse. Allow yourself a bit of a crutch until you shake the extracts out of your system. Maybe small dose 3-5g in morning and night. Just gotta give you're body the time to rewire itself. We would call it "getting a new baseline "
Thanks for the info - and I hope others see the cautionary tales in the background here; there's A LOT of pain being recalled in this thread.
I tapered down to about 3-5 grams but still at 5 grams that 75mg atleast mitragynine I Kno these because they have the lab results on the packaging....I'm approaching 4 weeks so theredno goin back now...
Believe it or not I feel like some people need to go through withdrawals because it changed me made me a better person each time it makes me a better person I start eating better taking on better habits I guess in a way that helps you grow up
I whole heartedly agree. I had NO CLUE HOW DANGEROUS a lot things we put in our bodies are.
Withdrawals make people stronger, I'm not sure if they make most people better though! I got hooked on Kratom when my arthritis pain first started getting bad. My cousin gave me a solid dose and it helped quite a bit. I didn't practice my usual due diligence and quickly found myself going through over a kilo per month, so a 30+ gram per day habit. I then decided to quit cold turkey and had withdrawals that reminded me a lot of benzo withdrawals, especially the total and complete lack of sleep for two weeks. I was back to a more normal type of extreme insomnia after a month and then after 6 months was getting a solid 5 hours per night. I'm sure that a TON of people are freaking out about Kratom's continued legal status right now, since Grampy "reefer madness" Biden decided to sick the WHO on the industry rather than do his own dirty work. Yes, Kratom is addictive, but it also TRULY does help a lot of people get off opiates. At the very least it's a hell of a lot better substitution than methadone. I do hate seeing people mess with it for other reasons, especially young people who experience that warm blanket opioid feeling for the first time and think it's the cure for their "insert any problem here". It doesn't last, and neither does the pain relief, then all you are left with is eating a nasty green powder several times per day just to service your withdrawals.
I did almost 30 gs one time never again my eye balls start shaking lmao you know how they shake if your rolling on MDMA scared the living hell out of me and I couldnt drive usually I can drive on any drug but not that night
). Didn't notice during the event, but my body was pretty unhappy with me by the time I got home and my ribs & hip were purple & green - oops.
I've been dealing with rheumatoid arthritis too, and I've gotten vastly more relief from cannabis, thc, cbd, various terpenes than I ever got from Kratom. If you aren't hooked on it, I'd cut the kratom out altogether. Try strains high in caryophyllene, you can even try it in pill form-it's called Rephyll, from nootropics depot. Also, look into palmitoylethanolamide, it's a natural product and you can even buy it on Amazon. Those are the things that actually helped me the most.I've started experimenting with kratom because there is chronic pain in my family - not me too much yet - but enough to see that the accompanying prescriptions all have addiction warnings. So we've looked for things to help manage the inevitable addiction.
Again, all of this discussion is one of the reasons that I love growing my own weed:
Herijuana has been a great pain relieving strain, and another "arrow" in my "quiver" of pain relievers available. (new journal starting soon!)
The flower is a solid indica in its own right, but the edibles and hash are truly "medical grade" - The hash especially has a warm rush of back-muscle relaxation on the exhale - beautiful stuff.
In my estimation, its pain relieving effects are greater than ibuprofen or acetaminophen.
- Hash & edibles service my arthritis and old-guy back VERY well; and opiates / kratom are reserved for outstandingly bad days.
- I also use low doses of kratom AND hash following certain events - I was crew at a racing event a few weeks ago and got a pretty nice body slam. I had knee pads on, but my ribs, right hip and right elbow got banged up when gravity hiccupped and I landed hard (stupid gravity!
4-5 grams of nasty tea to help me get to sleep - and a few bruises to remind me that I'm not a kid anymore...
It's great for work and a slightly euphoric! Then it's been 3+ years and you're doing 60grams a day to be able to do "normal people" tasks. 3 months to taper and now it's been about 2 years without the green sludge in my life. How about that Marijuana tho!
I turned my dad onto both Rephyll and palmitoylethanolamide because he also has some type of non-diabetic neuropathy, and now he swears by both of them. I'm not really up to date on which strains are high in caryophyllene, and sometimes I'll see a test report that shows a certain strain is high in it, but another report that says different. I'm going to look into it though. I'm growing Kali Mist now because it has that signature caryophyllene smell and always helped with pain, but I'd like to find a strain that is super high in it.Thanks!!
I'll be researching those for sure! How are they for neuropathy? My Wife had an injury that left her with a degenerative disease causing her hand to contract - looks a lot like end-stage R.A. hand tbh - swan contractions & all...
Rheumatoid runs in my family - I'm fairly old for not really having it, but I still keep pretty active and eat decently (not well...).
I don't know if Herijuana is high in Caryophyllene, but I've noticed that the temple ball hash I made does wonders for my wrists, neck & back - edibles too.
The flower is STONY and good - but somehow the hash & edibles offer more relief (not just "stone").
Hoping to cross Heri with Malana when I get around to running them both.
I'm looking for the excellent hash qualities of Malana and the pain relief of Heri.
--- Thanks again! - you just helped me decide what I'm running when I finally get my room finished!
60 grams seem like it'd be a lethal dose I'm almost sure it is but I don't actually know the LD50 off the top of my head
At 60 grams per day you must have only gone through like one roll of toilet paper per year! Congrats on getting off that.