Dankdude
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Do you have a link to support this accusation?Naw ... O'Bama is a speed freak. Palin, on the other hand ...
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Florida Girl
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Where's the "none of these choices" box?
No matter how many of these polls get posted with only the Big 2 choices on them... you aren't getting a real picture of how people will vote if you only post those 2 choices.
I know there are quite a few of us who will be checking another box or writing in a candidate.
No matter how many of these polls get posted with only the Big 2 choices on them... you aren't getting a real picture of how people will vote if you only post those 2 choices.
I know there are quite a few of us who will be checking another box or writing in a candidate.
TheBrutalTruth
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It'd really be interesting to actually have the other options in the polls. It would be kind of interesting to see how the other options actually stack up against the "main" choices.
smoke2jointsindamorning
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I am not trying to tell you who to vote for but I would point out that Obama has gotten a lot of young people like myself fired up about politics. Something I NEVER gave two shits about. It would be cool for my generation to have our "defining moment" and give someone fresh a chance. Then we all just cross our fingers and hope that he can deliver. Plus you have to give Barack some credit, at least when asked about smoking pot he said "I inhaled, I thought that was kind of the point." In my opinion writing in our voting independent would not really help although you are obviously entitled to do so. Peace.
Bongulator
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I'm not a young person, but I'm still firmly for Obama. I've done some canvassing and other volunteer work, donated some money, and bought some merchandise to give him a bit more money yet. I've actually never been this involved before, but then, I've never seen this country in such sorry shape before. The Republicans did huge damage to this country, especially in the six years that they controlled everything, and I'll do whatever I can to prevent four more years of walking down this road.
I don't mind the poll being like it is. The write-ins and third party guys aren't going to win, so they're almost irrelevant. Not quite totally irrelevant, because in a close race they could tip the scales from Obama to McCain, or vice versa. But they're as close to irrelevant as one can get without being *completely* irrelevant. Just having one choice for 'other' is really enough.
Why would anyone not voting for McBush or Obama even go out and vote? If you're a Ron Paul guy, then *not* voting for McBush is the effect your vote would have, and you can accomplish that from bed while smoking a phatty. Same goes for Barr and the rest -- your vote for them doesn't matter, it's your *lack* of a vote for one of the potential winners that matters, and you need not exert any effort or spend any time *not* to vote. If I wasn't going to vote for Obama or McBush, I'd personally just stay in bed and get wasted.
I don't mind the poll being like it is. The write-ins and third party guys aren't going to win, so they're almost irrelevant. Not quite totally irrelevant, because in a close race they could tip the scales from Obama to McCain, or vice versa. But they're as close to irrelevant as one can get without being *completely* irrelevant. Just having one choice for 'other' is really enough.
Why would anyone not voting for McBush or Obama even go out and vote? If you're a Ron Paul guy, then *not* voting for McBush is the effect your vote would have, and you can accomplish that from bed while smoking a phatty. Same goes for Barr and the rest -- your vote for them doesn't matter, it's your *lack* of a vote for one of the potential winners that matters, and you need not exert any effort or spend any time *not* to vote. If I wasn't going to vote for Obama or McBush, I'd personally just stay in bed and get wasted.
Seamaiden
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Yes, it would really help. I don't know how many other websites you use, but I'm gonna be a broken record on this one, if all the people who were voting for Obama simply because they detest McCain were to write in Ron Paul, The Establishment would be sorely shaken up. The only votes that can be tossed are those that are writing in an unqualified candidate.
I haven't been through the politics kitchen or Toke n Talk, but has anyone posted about Obama's efforts to convince the Iraqi government to DELAY agreement on U.S. troop withdrawal? He wants to make Bush & Co. look bad, damn the casualties.
If it hasn't been posted, let me know, I'll find the story. I think it was in the New York Times.
Seamaiden
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Bong, how do you explain the Democrat dominated house and Senate passing the very legislation that's what is fucking us now?
As for the rest... maybe you should just stay in bed and get wasted, like you said. You seem more interested in being able to say that you voted for the winner than anything else, including, apparently, your conscience. I will always vote my conscience.
Therefore, I will never vote for someone whose efforts are an affront to the Constitution. I will never vote for someone who supports the Patriot Act. Or FISA. Or continuing ANY war on ANY front, including (almost especially) Afghanistan. Obama is all that, and more. Anyone from the Chicago area who's kept themselves up to date already has a handle on his political career from the get-go.
Honestly, it's a little difficult not to get insulting when you post something that is as insulting as you have. This is something I am passionate about, so much so that I have dipped my own toe into the political waters on a local level, and your assertions, the Common Assertion of the Everyday American, are the assertions of lazy people, those who flock, those who want to be able to say that they voted for the winner. I am about doing the right thing, not just winning. Obama is not the right thing any more than McCain is the right thing.
So, I'm gonna leave it at this for now, but I felt you should know that by telling people like myself that we're wasting our votes or that by voting as we do that we're helping to vote in the candidates we don't like is not only bullshit, but it is, indeed, deeply insulting.
misshestermoffitt
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I want to vote for whoever will decriminalize Marijuana. Then when they run again, if the completely legalize they'll get my vote again.
Yes, it would really help. I don't know how many other websites you use, but I'm gonna be a broken record on this one, if all the people who were voting for Obama simply because they detest McCain were to write in Ron Paul, The Establishment would be sorely shaken up. The only votes that can be tossed are those that are writing in an unqualified candidate.
I haven't been through the politics kitchen or Toke n Talk, but has anyone posted about Obama's efforts to convince the Iraqi government to DELAY agreement on U.S. troop withdrawal? He wants to make Bush & Co. look bad, damn the casualties.
If it hasn't been posted, let me know, I'll find the story. I think it was in the New York Times.
like how? i don't get it. any scenario? it's still gonna leave us with Obama or McCain. but shaken up, right? and then, ........................ ?
ViRedd
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Dank ...
Its been how many years? And you have to ask that question? Why do you continue to doubt me? You should know better by now. ~lol~
O'Bama's cocaine use is documented in his book. He admitted it. Here's a link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359_pf.html
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Seamaiden
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Hmm..
, yet another good question (by the way, it appears that entrance/exit pollsters do not ask for any personal information).Well, for one thing, it would make the races much, much closer. Because the vote would be more divided up it would mean that no one candidate could (or would, usually) be the "landslide" winner. This would require a closer examination of the votes themselves. For another thing, when the people show true support not for that which is presented to the people as the only viable option(s), then the demand will be filled, if that makes sense, because in some ways our government is a microcosm of capitalism. By that I mean that, somewhat like companies marketing in ways that bring the customers, politicians speak to their constituents. Just look at all the wrangling that happens during election years, the legislation, etcetera.
so is he a bad guy for doing coke or a good guy for being honest about it?Dank ...
Its been how many years? And you have to ask that question? Why do you continue to doubt me? You should know better by now. ~lol~
O'Bama's cocaine use is documented in his book. He admitted it. Here's a link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359_pf.html
Vi
Hmm..
Well, for one thing, it would make the races much, much closer. Because the vote would be more divided up it would mean that no one candidate could (or would, usually) be the "landslide" winner. This would require a closer examination of the votes themselves. For another thing, when the people show true support not for that which is presented to the people as the only viable option(s), then the demand will be filled, if that makes sense, because in some ways our government is a microcosm of capitalism. By that I mean that, somewhat like companies marketing in ways that bring the customers, politicians speak to their constituents. Just look at all the wrangling that happens during election years, the legislation, etcetera.
what?
if i write in "ron paul" what's gonna happen?
a closer exam of the votes? like florida?
Seamaiden
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Yes, but that's only part of what I'm saying. This all hinges on a mass of people writing him in. And if THAT happened, then he'd become the dark horse. He could conceivably put such a dent in the election process that it could either be stopped cold, or he could take it.
misshestermoffitt
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I know what you are trying to say Seamaiden and I applaude your efforts, but the write in vote was designed to fail by men who wanted to stay in power.
I think Ron Paul is a better choice than the two crooked fuckers we have to choose from right now.
I think Ron Paul is a better choice than the two crooked fuckers we have to choose from right now.
ViRedd
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Kudos to him for admitting it before it becomes a campaign issue. Same with Palin admitting to smoking weed. Neither one makes one a good person though. Not saying that it makes one a bad person ... just that it, in itself, doesn't turn a person into a good person.
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