Who Is Worse And Why- Obama Vs Romney

So it's your stance that they've never visited the Whitehouse because some guys blog (who works for the Whitehouse) says so?

If true I do feel stupid though

edit: It's fishy to me though that they agree that he's bad news enough to cover up any associations. Why is that?

ginwilly said:

So it's your stance that they've never visited the Whitehouse because some guys blog (who works for the Whitehouse) says so?

If true I do feel stupid though

edit: It's fishy to me though that they agree that he's bad news enough to cover up any associations. Why is that?

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no really
When you start thinking the daily news organizations are
'some guys blogs" yet post un factual information from some girls blogs
You have already lost the debate

The Obama administration has released a preliminary list of White House visitors as part of its promise to release to the public a record of people who came to the White House as well as "when they came, how long they were here, and who they met with."

The list, which is here, includes the names "William Ayers" and "Jeremiah Wright." But the White House says they aren't the Ayers and Wright that are known to the public.

"A lot of people visit the White House, up to 100,000 each month, with many of those folks coming to tour the buildings," White House spokesman Ben LaBolt said in a statement. "Given this large amount of data, the records we are publishing today include a few 'false positives' – names that make you think of a well-known person, but are actually someone else."

"In September, requests were submitted for the names of some famous or controversial figures (for example Michael Jordan, William Ayers, Michael Moore, Jeremiah Wright, Robert Kelly ("R. Kelly"), and Malik Shabazz)," he continued. "The well-known individuals with those names never actually came to the White House. Nevertheless, we were asked for those names and so we have included records for those individuals who were here and share the same names."

Among the names on the list that appear to not be "false positives" are Bill Gates and George Clooney.

The White House told CBS News that it has social security number records that show that the Ayers who visited and the controversial William Ayers whose connections to Mr. Obama were brought up several times during the campaign last year are not one in the same.

It's unclear why the White House is including the names of people who went on White House tours with their listing of those who have come to the White House on official business. It may be news to those who have gone on the tours that a record of their visit will be released to the public.

The White House announced in September that it would release the records of visitors from the previous 90-120 days every month, "aside from a small group of appointments that cannot be disclosed because of national security imperatives or their necessarily confidential nature (such as a visit by a possible Supreme Court nominee)."

Those releases begin in December. The White House had also said it would release information about visitors prior to the beginning of the disclosure program in response to specific requests. This release is in response to such requests, 110 of which the White House says it has processed. It covers specific requests about visitors between January 20, 2009 to July 31, 2009.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5466001-503544.html

STILL FEELING STUPID?

ChesusRice said:

STILL FEELING STUPID?

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more skeptical than anything. The possibility of what you say is obviously true making me feel naive for believing what I read. You believing the whitehouse propaganda machine is just as bad. We are both being naive on this.

You realize we've created 4Million jobs? I've seen you repeat this lie many times here when recovery.org (the official stimulus site) doesn't even give those numbers.

No, I don't trust an official whitehouse release saying Ayers has never visited. I didn't believe he was just "some guy in the neighborhood" either. Neither did Hillary until she lost then fell in line for a sweet appointment.

Did you trust the white house release that there were WMD in Iraq?

ginwilly said:

more skeptical than anything. The possibility of what you say is obviously true making me feel naive for believing what I read. You believing the whitehouse propaganda machine is just as bad. We are both being naive on this.

You realize we've created 4Million jobs? I've seen you repeat this lie many times here when recovery.org (the official stimulus site) doesn't even give those numbers.

No, I don't trust an official whitehouse release saying Ayers has never visited. I didn't believe he was just "some guy in the neighborhood" either. Neither did Hillary until she lost then fell in line for a sweet appointment.

Did you trust the white house release that there were WMD in Iraq?

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Then you have a closed mind
Please exit the discussion
as you cannot be reasoned with

ChesusRice said:

Then you have a closed mind
Please exit the discussion
as you cannot be reasoned with

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closed mind for saying there is an obvious possibility for it being true, yet you act as if the whitehouse has never lied to the public except when Obama is not involved and I'm the close minded one.

I am starting to think there is more than one person posting on your account. Sometimes you bring facts, others you resort to name calling and deflection. Bi-polar maybe?

See
i am not going to play "fetch" for you
as you simply just say the 'stick" I bring back is not real

Even if I beat you upside the head with it
You will still say it isnt a real stick
That is how dense you sound this morning

ChesusRice said:

See
i am not going to play "fetch" for you
as you simply just say the 'stick" I bring back is not real

Even if I beat you upside the head with it
You will still say it isnt a real stick
That is how dense you sound this morning

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Ad homs, weee

Does the president say we created 4Million jobs? Does the website he had created to track these things post a contradictory statement? Can we then safely assume that lies come out of the Whitehouse sometimes?

See fast and furious for reference.

ginwilly said:

Ad homs, weee

Does the president say we created 4Million jobs? Does the website he had created to track these things post a contradictory statement? Can we then safely assume that lies come out of the Whitehouse sometimes?

See fast and furious for reference.

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Tell you what
When you decide the economy is recovering
let me know

Everything is a conspiracy thing with you

beardo said:

So who is worse and why, The choices remind me or south park's epic douche vs turd episode.
Start the thread by saying I believe Romney is worse, But they are both terrible options, I think Romney is worse because he's not a normal american, he can't sing and he's not funny, he has no concept of money and work and he doesn't like normal people, he also wants to get rid of peoples rights and put the people into a further state of slavery, Most of that is also true of Obama, but at least he's funny and can sing.
I will not vote for either.

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That what it is all about is character, Obama will win because the election is based on character and not philosophy.

Both are authoritarian.

Both are not Humanitarian.

Both violate every Philosophical and Ethical Principle even the ones they themselves put forth.

In summation....Neither of them give a fuck about us and are both absolutely worthless.

Obama has better character and is better at dirty politics. Mitt Romney has the Fox news brain washed religious faithful at his side. If they turn out in big numbers Obama loses, if the others turn out in bigger numbers (easier) than Mitt Romney loses (more likely). Religiosity Vs the Statism...The two prime falsehoods in human history battle it out over character. Who will be the victor? More like Who FUCKING CARES? It is like an episode of American Idol

ChesusRice said:

Tell you what
When you decide the economy is recovering
let me know

Everything is a conspiracy thing with you

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Does anything you wrote here invalidate the fact that recovery.org does not claim the stimulus created 4M jobs yet the Whitehouse continues to report it did?

You should probably call me a name or something now.

You mean
Recovery.gov?
and you mean to tell me
the wall street journal
fox business
and
cnn money
all report 4 million plus jobs added to the economy in the last 3 years is a conspiracy?


Here you go
www.recovery.gov
Visit it sometime
They dont list jobs created (correction they do)
But you can put in your zipcode and see where the money was spent in your neighborhood

ChesusRice said:

You mean
Recovery.gov?
and you mean to tell me
the wall street journal
fox business
and
cnn money
all report 4 million plus jobs added to the economy in the last 3 years is a conspiracy?

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that is NOT the net number, it's the gross number and those were not all created by the stimulus as the Whitehouse claims. We need to create around 100000 jobs a month to break even. If we lose 2 Million jobs one month but 86 thousand new jobs were created, you would be telling the truth that 86 thousand jobs were created this month. It's true, but not the whole truth.

ginwilly said:

that is NOT the net number, it's the gross number and those were not all created by the stimulus as the Whitehouse claims. We need to create around 100000 jobs a month to break even. If we lose 2 Million jobs one month but 86 thousand new jobs were created, you would be telling the truth that 86 thousand jobs were created this month. It's true, but not the whole truth.

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next allegation

ginwilly said:

that is NOT the net number, it's the gross number and those were not all created by the stimulus as the Whitehouse claims. We need to create around 100000 jobs a month to break even. If we lose 2 Million jobs one month but 86 thousand new jobs were created, you would be telling the truth that 86 thousand jobs were created this month. It's true, but not the whole truth.

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You know even Romney is not going the jobs argument anymore

Romney will win, we will have a budget within a month, there will be tax breaks for the rich they will hire and expand business. The people on public aide will lose their programs and go back to work. The markets will soar back, banks will begin to lend again with higher intrest to offset loses they will incur. Gov waste and Gov spending will be cut back, a lot of his admin and supporters will go to jail for stealing public money. The New Attorney General will hand over all of the docs they have been hiding, the public will breathe a sigh of releif.

It realy is just that simple.

chrishydro said:

Romney will win, we will have a budget within a month, there will be tax breaks for the rich they will hire and expand business. The people on public aide will lose their programs and go back to work. The markets will soar back, banks will begin to lend again with higher intrest to offset loses they will incur. Gov waste and Gov spending will be cut back, a lot of his admin and supporters will go to jail for stealing public money. The New Attorney General will hand over all of the docs they have been hiding, the public will breathe a sigh of releif.

It realy is just that simple.

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Of course
that is exactly what will happen

ChesusRice said:

Well maybe you should aspire to a better job and stop blaming the goverment for your place in society
Wow you make 900 bucks a month, live in a foreign country that has a much lower standard of living
And still find a way to whine about taxes
If you make 900 a month in wages
YOU are one of those 47% that dont pay shit
What a hypocrite

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You just don't get it, I'm retired, earlier than I planned but living well, thank you. I have a condo with an ocean view, eat well, drink well and still pay my federal extortion payment. The government is responsible for millions of people losing wealth, not for my place in society.
God, what a complete and utter elitist, you are.
You are so full of yourself and your failed ideology that you cannot recognize reality when it slaps you in the face.
You keep trying to paint me as complaining about my low income and in doing so, you expose your ignorance.
You are incapable of any of the compassion or understanding that you pretend to possess.
Truly compassionate people do not condone theft, especially from those that can least afford it and they don't vote for war mongers.
Yet, I... am the hypocrite?
Show me how I don't pay shit... I'll be waiting.

900 bucks a month in income?
can you tell me exactly how much you pay in federal taxes?

Rob Roy said:

This is a pot related forum. OBAMA is a prohibitionist. Psst he wants to put US in jail.

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Only the ones here who sell the stuff. Romney does want us all in jail. He would get some amount of personal satisfaction from it in fact.